ADVERTISEMENT

McCollum

bailey777

Hall of Famer
Nov 18, 2011
11,498
10,222
113
Not sure he was ever a serious candidate. I know many love him but I think his lack of D1 experience did him in. Sounds like dolson wanted someone who has already navigated the portal. Devries had a top 6 portal class last year and way more D1 experience. It might end up being a big mistake on mccullum but im guessing that's dolsons thinking. Also hopefully this works since we passed on Dusty last year by not firing woodson.
 
We'll probably never know whether McCollum turned us down or we had some initial interest but moved on, or never pursued him, unless he decides to say something about it (which he's probably smart enough not to do).
 
Not sure he was ever a serious candidate. I know many love him but I think his lack of D1 experience did him in. Sounds like dolson wanted someone who has already navigated the portal. Devries had a top 6 portal class last year and way more D1 experience. It might end up being a big mistake on mccullum but im guessing that's dolsons thinking. Also hopefully this works since we passed on Dusty last year by not firing woodson.
I wouldn’t doubt if Dolson spoke to many coaches, including McCollum. I also think McCollum would be a good fit and could nail it. There is just a little more risk there IMO. His numbers have been gaudy, but that’s not the whole picture. Like we found out with May, timing is a big factor, and CDD seems like a good fit all around.

He gets two years from me to earn any more.
 
  • Like
Reactions: IUgradman
I wouldn’t doubt if Dolson spoke to many coaches, including McCollum. I also think McCollum would be a good fit and could nail it. There is just a little more risk there IMO. His numbers have been gaudy, but that’s not the whole picture. Like we found out with May, timing is a big factor, and CDD seems like a good fit all around.

He gets two years from me to earn any more.
I give him two years given the nil and new landscape. We will again likely have the top nil in the conference
 
I give him two years given the nil and new landscape. We will again likely have the top nil in the conference
Hopefully the injtial contract is no more than 4 seasons. AD's give these guys 7 or 8 years to begin and its very dangerous. Especially with NIL. You'll have a better idea after year 2 to extend or not.
 
I wouldn’t doubt if Dolson spoke to many coaches, including McCollum. I also think McCollum would be a good fit and could nail it. There is just a little more risk there IMO. His numbers have been gaudy, but that’s not the whole picture. Like we found out with May, timing is a big factor, and CDD seems like a good fit all around.

He gets two years from me to earn any more.
Listen to the AfterDark podcast. Goodman said Dolson talked to McCollum a couple of times. They also had Doug McDermott on who knows DD extremely well and loves him. Said that everyone assumes he went to Creighton because of his Dad, but DD recruited him before his Dad was even there and he loved him and wanted to play for him. The general consensus is DD works his ass off and knows bball and plays a modern style offense, and his teams will defend. Should have made the tourney and had some really impressive wins, losing one of his top players after 8 games. Is he the guy that can get us to a NC? I don't know, that's a really high bar to clear, but from all I've heard we're going to have a team that gives effort and plays hard and I am convinced will get us back to the top quarter of the conference and in the tournament every year.

For all the guys wringing their hands over McCollum, I'm sure he's going to be a great coach, but I'll trust SD who talked with both guys and it sounds to me like chose DD.
 
McCollum has the high celing but like I said if your going to take a chance McCollum should of got the job has was more potential. I hope I'm wrong and DeVries is better but I don't see it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GThomas
Listen to the AfterDark podcast. Goodman said Dolson talked to McCollum a couple of times. They also had Doug McDermott on who knows DD extremely well and loves him. Said that everyone assumes he went to Creighton because of his Dad, but DD recruited him before his Dad was even there and he loved him and wanted to play for him. The general consensus is DD works his ass off and knows bball and plays a modern style offense, and his teams will defend. Should have made the tourney and had some really impressive wins, losing one of his top players after 8 games. Is he the guy that can get us to a NC? I don't know, that's a really high bar to clear, but from all I've heard we're going to have a team that gives effort and plays hard and I am convinced will get us back to the top quarter of the conference and in the tournament every year.

For all the guys wringing their hands over McCollum, I'm sure he's going to be a great coach, but I'll trust SD who talked with both guys and it sounds to me like chose DD.
And if SD spoke to McCollum more than once....its possible he turned IU down, not the other way around. There's plenty of crying over spilled milk going on here. These decisions go both ways, which narrows the window dramatically. I think IU got lucky with the timing. My guess is that the other shoe to drop was Brownell after the tournament.
 
And if SD spoke to McCollum more than once....its possible he turned IU down, not the other way around. There's plenty of crying over spilled milk going on here. These decisions go both ways, which narrows the window dramatically. I think IU got lucky with the timing. My guess is that the other shoe to drop was Brownell after the tournament.
Yeah, not buying that. Organizations give people multiple interviews before not hiring them for entry level sales positions. I don’t think Dolson having multiple conversations with him indicates anything beyond that he did his due diligence. I also don’t believe there was another shoe. When you find the right fit then you box them up and go home. Dolson thinks he found the fit. We will see.
 
McCollum has the high celing but like I said if your going to take a chance McCollum should have got the job has was more potential. I hope I'm wrong and DeVries is better but I don't see it.
We have to give the guy a chance. But with NIL, our level of NIL, and the transfer portal, you need to succeed very quickly. No more recruit and let them develop, no more expectations of a weak first and second year while the new guy builds the program.
He needs success in year one.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kkott and bailey777
People that really know basketball....especially college coaches, have a much higher regard for this hire than many of the fans on this board. Who should I trust? The coaches....who have invested and developed their careers and know the coaching candidates personally, or the wise counsel with a keyboard and foam bad call brick on their coffee stand?
 
McCollum has the high celing but like I said if your going to take a chance McCollum should of got the job has was more potential. I hope I'm wrong and DeVries is better but I don't see it.
Here's my response: have you talked with both DD and BM about the IU job? Maybe trust the guy who did, and not a bunch of folks on a fan board who think they know better than the guy who has talked with both? Whether SD decided on DD, or was turned down by BM, listening to After Dark and Aaron Torres, both feel that DD is a better fit at IU.
 
Listen to the AfterDark podcast. Goodman said Dolson talked to McCollum a couple of times. They also had Doug McDermott on who knows DD extremely well and loves him. Said that everyone assumes he went to Creighton because of his Dad, but DD recruited him before his Dad was even there and he loved him and wanted to play for him. The general consensus is DD works his ass off and knows bball and plays a modern style offense, and his teams will defend. Should have made the tourney and had some really impressive wins, losing one of his top players after 8 games. Is he the guy that can get us to a NC? I don't know, that's a really high bar to clear, but from all I've heard we're going to have a team that gives effort and plays hard and I am convinced will get us back to the top quarter of the conference and in the tournament every year.

For all the guys wringing their hands over McCollum, I'm sure he's going to be a great coach, but I'll trust SD who talked with both guys and it sounds to me like chose DD.
I did watch that, after that particular post so wasn’t sure at the time. I also think Dolson is capable of making good decisions and trust he feels CDD is the right fit. None of us were in any of those discussions, so it’s all conjecture. People making idiotic claims that McCollum was who Dolson wanted and he said NO, are just that. Idiots.

In the end, I don’t really care who the coach is if they bring some serious Ws and get us back into the hunt annually.
 
Not sure he was ever a serious candidate. I know many love him but I think his lack of D1 experience did him in. Sounds like dolson wanted someone who has already navigated the portal. Devries had a top 6 portal class last year and way more D1 experience. It might end up being a big mistake on mccullum but im guessing that's dolsons thinking. Also hopefully this works since we passed on Dusty last year by not firing woodson.
I told you guys in February they would probably go for DeVries over McCollum due to less risk. Obviously I had no way of knowing who they would interview, but it makes sense considering Devries blazed the trail then knocked off major teams , on the road even, this season at WVU. That is more impressive than taking a 26 win team up to 30, although McCollum did that Cignetti style by importing an entire group of D2 guys. Still, DeVries is less risky.
 
Listen to the AfterDark podcast. Goodman said Dolson talked to McCollum a couple of times. They also had Doug McDermott on who knows DD extremely well and loves him. Said that everyone assumes he went to Creighton because of his Dad, but DD recruited him before his Dad was even there and he loved him and wanted to play for him. The general consensus is DD works his ass off and knows bball and plays a modern style offense, and his teams will defend. Should have made the tourney and had some really impressive wins, losing one of his top players after 8 games. Is he the guy that can get us to a NC? I don't know, that's a really high bar to clear, but from all I've heard we're going to have a team that gives effort and plays hard and I am convinced will get us back to the top quarter of the conference and in the tournament every year.

For all the guys wringing their hands over McCollum, I'm sure he's going to be a great coach, but I'll trust SD who talked with both guys and it sounds to me like chose DD.
Sorry for my ignorance, but how can I find this podcast?
 
  • Like
Reactions: kkott
Like we found out with May, timing is a big factor.

May and DeVries were in very similar situations, being less than 1-year into their respective contracts. Granted, May's coaching in the B1G, but if he wanted to be the coach at IU as much as DeVries, I'm sure he would have accepted Dolson's offer.
 
Won mutiple national championships at d2 and took Drake to the tournament his first season only 43.
It can be argued that he was given a great program, which happened to be the one that DeVries’ built from scratch. DeVries has built two programs from scratch, and improved them dramatically over the prior coach, which I would argue, in the day of NIL and the degree of yearly roster changes, is much more valuable than anything McCollum did.

And, his last stint was his best work, at the Big 12 level, returning one player at a team that one 9 games the year prior. A conference which put 7 teams in the tourney this year - 3 of which he beat, including Kansas at Allen Fieldhouse, the first time in program history.

This will all play out for everyone to see, but lower conference success (see Archie Miller) doesn’t always transfer to the next level, which is why I believe DeVries is a safer bet, because he repeated it on the big stage, which will be required at Indiana. This was too much of a jump/risk for McCollum in Dolson’s calculations, and I agree.
 
People that really know basketball....especially college coaches, have a much higher regard for this hire than many of the fans on this board. Who should I trust? The coaches....who have invested and developed their careers and know the coaching candidates personally, or the wise counsel with a keyboard and foam bad call brick on their coffee stand?
Where do you get that foam bad call brick?
 
Listen to the AfterDark podcast. Goodman said Dolson talked to McCollum a couple of times. They also had Doug McDermott on who knows DD extremely well and loves him. Said that everyone assumes he went to Creighton because of his Dad, but DD recruited him before his Dad was even there and he loved him and wanted to play for him. The general consensus is DD works his ass off and knows bball and plays a modern style offense, and his teams will defend. Should have made the tourney and had some really impressive wins, losing one of his top players after 8 games. Is he the guy that can get us to a NC? I don't know, that's a really high bar to clear, but from all I've heard we're going to have a team that gives effort and plays hard and I am convinced will get us back to the top quarter of the conference and in the tournament every year.

For all the guys wringing their hands over McCollum, I'm sure he's going to be a great coach, but I'll trust SD who talked with both guys and it sounds to me
I
I see the choice between DeVries and McCollum as the choice between the coach that rebuilt Drake from the bottom to the guy that inherited a good and stable program and made it a little better. The fact DeVries had made a big improvement at WVU shows he has a process that can work wherever he goes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mohoosier
Listen to the AfterDark podcast. Goodman said Dolson talked to McCollum a couple of times. They also had Doug McDermott on who knows DD extremely well and loves him. Said that everyone assumes he went to Creighton because of his Dad, but DD recruited him before his Dad was even there and he loved him and wanted to play for him. The general consensus is DD works his ass off and knows bball and plays a modern style offense, and his teams will defend. Should have made the tourney and had some really impressive wins, losing one of his top players after 8 games. Is he the guy that can get us to a NC? I don't know, that's a really high bar to clear, but from all I've heard we're going to have a team that gives effort and plays hard and I am convinced will get us back to the top quarter of the conference and in the tournament every year.

For all the guys wringing their hands over McCollum, I'm sure he's going to be a great coach, but I'll trust SD who talked with both guys and it sounds to me like chose DD.
And he was Iowa’s number one choice and I’m sure they spoke with both.
 
May and DeVries were in very similar situations, being less than 1-year into their respective contracts. Granted, May's coaching in the B1G, but if he wanted to be the coach at IU as much as DeVries, I'm sure he would have accepted Dolson's offer.
I am not aware of May getting an offer
 
May and DeVries were in very similar situations, being less than 1-year into their respective contracts. Granted, May's coaching in the B1G, but if he wanted to be the coach at IU as much as DeVries, I'm sure he would have accepted Dolson's offer.
In that After Dark podcast, Goodman said he thinks May is a better fit at UM, and it's a better fit for him. Maybe likes being a little less under the microscope at a football-first school. Maybe why he passed on Lville, who was certain they had him, and chose UM. They feel that DeVries is a better fit here than UM, and vice versa for May.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pryght
It can be argued that he was given a great program, which happened to be the one that DeVries’ built from scratch. DeVries has built two programs from scratch, and improved them dramatically over the prior coach, which I would argue, in the day of NIL and the degree of yearly roster changes, is much more valuable than anything McCollum did.

And, his last stint was his best work, at the Big 12 level, returning one player at a team that one 9 games the year prior. A conference which put 7 teams in the tourney this year - 3 of which he beat, including Kansas at Allen Fieldhouse, the first time in program history.

This will all play out for everyone to see, but lower conference success (see Archie Miller) doesn’t always transfer to the next level, which is why I believe DeVries is a safer bet, because he repeated it on the big stage, which will be required at Indiana. This was too much of a jump/risk for McCollum in Dolson’s calculations, and I agree.
In fairness, I think they had a pretty complete roster turnover like at Lville or UK. McCollum I believe had a similar rebuild with maybe only a player or 2 sticking around? I'm not certain about that, but I thought I heard that somewhere. Still think it helps being at a program that's had success. The Xs and Joes guys had an interesting factoid that almost all NCAA champion coaches for several decades had set the record for wins at a previous school. I believe there were a couple exceptions (Drew and guessing Steve Fischer?), but I would guess that Devries set the record for most wins at Drake, and now presumably McCollum has raised it. Doubtful he's gonna do that at IU! (yes, it's a joke)
 
  • Like
Reactions: mohoosier
If McCollum goes to Iowa that will be interesting to see up close who made the right choice. I personally wanted McCollum but I can see why Dolson preferred DeVries. He has more experience at D1 and has turned around every program he's been at along with a ton of experience as an assistant under McDermott and Altman. His resume is actually a lot like Cigs which is probably one of the reasons he was picked.
 
If McCollum goes to Iowa that will be interesting to see up close who made the right choice. I personally wanted McCollum but I can see why Dolson preferred DeVries. He has more experience at D1 and has turned around every program he's been at along with a ton of experience as an assistant under McDermott and Altman. His resume is actually a lot like Cigs which is probably one of the reasons he was picked.
Who knows if Dolson preferred DeVries? Perhaps BMC turned down IU, and Devo was Plan B.
 
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT