McCarthy Round 2

[ButHerEmails]

I also provided numerous links from a number of sources that he dismissed out of hand.

Has Scalise denied saying it? Also, the man gave a speech to a group of neo Nazis/white supremacists.

If he’s on record denying that he ever said that, that’s one thing. If he’s not on record denying it, well, that’s another thing.

I can tell you if someone made the claim that I said that about myself and I didn’t say it, you would have zero trouble finding numerous sources quoting me as saying “I never said that about myself, it’s a goddamn lie and the person saying it is a goddamn liar”.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

So, the Trump endorsed Jim Jordan will not be Speaker. Trump just can't stop losing, and his flunkies just can't understand it and won't dump him. He's the worst thing that has ever happened to the GOP.

 

[DANC]

Ha..prolly one of the very few that get it.

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I don't disagree with much of what Gaetz says, but he's not going to get what he wants acting the way he does.

 

[DANC]

Has Scalise denied saying it? Also, the man gave a speech to a group of neo Nazis/white supremacists.

If he’s on record denying that he ever said that, that’s one thing. If he’s not on record denying it, well, that’s another thing.

I can tell you if someone made the claim that I said that about myself and I didn’t say it, you would have zero trouble finding numerous sources quoting me as saying “I never said that about myself, it’s a goddamn lie and the person saying it is a goddamn liar”.

You're a woman posting as a man. Do you deny it? If so, prove it.

 

[DANC]

They said he said what I said he said.

Not exactly a quote, is it?

 

[ButHerEmails]

You're a woman posting as a man. Do you deny it? If so, prove it.

I wouldn’t want to ruin your fantasies

 

[DANC]

I wouldn’t want to ruin your fantasies

Well, you don't deny it, so obviously you are.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Well, you don't deny it, so obviously you are.

Sure sounds like you’re asking me for a dick pic. Not sure what other proof you’d want. What’s wrong, tired of looking at Hunter’s?

Oh, and thanks for saying the Scalise comment has to be true.

 

[DrHoops]

This is dumb.

I wish to God I had an intelligent party that lined up to my beliefs that I could support. Instead it is Dumb or Demented.

Finally!

 

[DANC]

Sure sounds like you’re asking me for a dick pic. Not sure what other proof you’d want. What’s wrong, tired of looking at Hunter’s?

Oh, and thanks for saying the Scalise comment has to be true.

Whatever you say, Debi.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Whatever you say, Debi.

Keep reminding me you want that pic.

 

[DANC]

Keep reminding me you want that pic.

Post it, Debi.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Post it, Debi.

You really are tired of looking at Hunter’s dick and need new material.

 

[DANC]

You really are tired of looking at Hunter’s dick and need new material.

Sure thing, Debi.

 

[Spartans9312]

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Just straight up LOL at the House GOP right now. This is getting absurd.

At this point, I would not blame the Dems if instead of coming up with a plan to help out the GOP, they instead demand that reasonable Republicans abstain from voting so that Jeffries can be Speaker.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

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The GOP's daddy said no, so it's not going to happen now.

What a joke.

 

[hoosboot]

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Well...that could signal the end of the Emmer Speaker quest.

 

[cosmickid]

In your rush to judge others as racist, you might want to check yourself.

Using the term "Blacks" instead of "black people" or "Black people" is frowned upon. You sound like Trump. Black is an adjective. Using it as a noun is dehumanizing.

Also, it's very privileged and entitled for a white man to be calling out black people for "self-hatred applied to" black people. You don't get to be the arbiter of Uncle Tom status.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/dear-white-people-stop-using-the-term-uncle-tom/2018/11/15/8a68e9c0-e84e-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html

Now, I'm going to assume you didn't know these things or weren't thinking about them and intentionally trying to be racist. It'd be nice if you could use the same principle of generosity in interpreting other politicians and posters.

For example, Robinson's quote about black people "owing" had nothing to do with them owing for slavery, he was talking about a debt owed to ancestors who had lived through the worst but came out of it and tried to make a better life for their descendents. His rhetorical point was intentionally and obtusely misread by the critic you cite. Seems Robinson is trying to switch the narrative from victimhood to gratitude.

You're correct about my confusion over terminology. I'm not out in public much and I'm senile and forgetful...

However, if you read what I specifically said about Robinson I never mentioned Pitts discussing his claim of being owed, specifically because I didn't particularly agree with his claim or even understand it.

I was very specific in describing Robinson's homophobic and anti-semitic comments. But in looking thru my post I (not Pittman) never used the term "racist".

I did say he applied self hatred to other Black people" (a la Candace Owens), but that's because both of them referred to POC who attended the Black Panther movie as stupid, and in Robinson's case he went further and said they were complicit in a Jewish Conspiracy to steal money from POC.

From Pittman's opinion piece...

"The Insider wrote: “He went on to allege, using a Yiddish slur, that the movie ‘was only created to pull the shekels out of your Schvartze pockets.’”

“Schvartze” is a Yiddish pejorative for Black people. “Shekel” is a unit of money associated with Israel and Jews, going back to antiquity."

I have no idea if Panther was a good movie because I didn't see it. I don't see many movies, and if Robinson thought it was terrible acting, plot etc I don't know one way or the other.

But people who travel in anti Semitic or anti-gay tropes check the boxes for me as a bigot. If you read the article and don't feel he fits into that category, then we'll agree to disagree.

But I already knew of Robinson's bigotry having heard about him for a couple of years,so the idea that someone would point to him as the only credible NC politician struck me as ludicrous since I see him as the worst of the worst. Pittman isn't the first or last person to detail reasons not to want Robinson elected. He's just the selection that came up when I was looking for a third party source to illustrate what I already believe...

 

[LedZep17]

The GOP's daddy said no, so it's not going to happen now.

What a joke.

Righto, Tom Emmer drops out.

 

[BradStevens]

You're correct about my confusion over terminology. I'm not out in public much and I'm senile and forgetful...

However, if you read what I specifically said about Robinson I never mentioned Pitts discussing his claim of being owed, specifically because I didn't particularly agree with his claim or even understand it.

I was very specific in describing Robinson's homophobic and anti-semitic comments. But in looking thru my post I (not Pittman) never used the term "racist".

I did say he applied self hatred to other Black people" (a la Candace Owens), but that's because both of them referred to POC who attended the Black Panther movie as stupid, and in Robinson's case he went further and said they were complicit in a Jewish Conspiracy to steal money from POC.

From Pittman's opinion piece...

"The Insider wrote: “He went on to allege, using a Yiddish slur, that the movie ‘was only created to pull the shekels out of your Schvartze pockets.’”

“Schvartze” is a Yiddish pejorative for Black people. “Shekel” is a unit of money associated with Israel and Jews, going back to antiquity."

I have no idea if Panther was a good movie because I didn't see it. I don't see many movies, and if Robinson thought it was terrible acting, plot etc I don't know one way or the other.

But people who travel in anti Semitic or anti-gay tropes check the boxes for me as a bigot. If you read the article and don't feel he fits into that category, then we'll agree to disagree.

But I already knew of Robinson's bigotry having heard about him for a couple of years,so the idea that someone would point to him as the only credible NC politician struck me as ludicrous since I see him as the worst of the worst. Pittman isn't the first or last person to detail reasons not to want Robinson elected. He's just the selection that came up when I was looking for a third party source to illustrate what I already believe...

Robinson is clearly anti-gay. And maybe anti-semitic (I don’t recall what he said on that score other than your quote, which is not good).

Unfortunately so are many black people in the U.S. Even the ones who vote Dem.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Just straight up LOL at the House GOP right now. This is getting absurd.

At this point, I would not blame the Dems if instead of coming up with a plan to help out the GOP, they instead demand that reasonable Republicans abstain from voting so that Jeffries can be Speaker.

The moderates could well just say on the next one, "this is it, if this doesn't go through we will abstain next time no matter who it is and Jeffries will win." It would then be an interesting conundrum for the far right.

Frankly, no one in the House should be getting paid.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You're correct about my confusion over terminology. I'm not out in public much and I'm senile and forgetful...

However, if you read what I specifically said about Robinson I never mentioned Pitts discussing his claim of being owed, specifically because I didn't particularly agree with his claim or even understand it.

I was very specific in describing Robinson's homophobic and anti-semitic comments. But in looking thru my post I (not Pittman) never used the term "racist".

I did say he applied self hatred to other Black people" (a la Candace Owens), but that's because both of them referred to POC who attended the Black Panther movie as stupid, and in Robinson's case he went further and said they were complicit in a Jewish Conspiracy to steal money from POC.

From Pittman's opinion piece...

"The Insider wrote: “He went on to allege, using a Yiddish slur, that the movie ‘was only created to pull the shekels out of your Schvartze pockets.’”

“Schvartze” is a Yiddish pejorative for Black people. “Shekel” is a unit of money associated with Israel and Jews, going back to antiquity."

I have no idea if Panther was a good movie because I didn't see it. I don't see many movies, and if Robinson thought it was terrible acting, plot etc I don't know one way or the other.

But people who travel in anti Semitic or anti-gay tropes check the boxes for me as a bigot. If you read the article and don't feel he fits into that category, then we'll agree to disagree.

But I already knew of Robinson's bigotry having heard about him for a couple of years,so the idea that someone would point to him as the only credible NC politician struck me as ludicrous since I see him as the worst of the worst. Pittman isn't the first or last person to detail reasons not to want Robinson elected. He's just the selection that came up when I was looking for a third party source to illustrate what I already believe...

Oh my God you’ve written this same post three times in a row!!! Just kidding cosmic. Hope your health is okay. 🙏

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Righto, Tom Emmer drops out.

How much more proof does anyone need that he has the GOP hostage?

 

[dbmhoosier]

The GOP's daddy said no, so it's not going to happen now.

What a joke.

So when the Dems have control they can put in radical marxist San Francisco Nancy Pelosi but we're nuts for insisting on Byron Donalds or Jim Jordan?

I honestly think we'd settle for Elise Stefanik at this point.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

So when the Dems have control they can put in radical marxist San Francisco Nancy Pelosi but we're nuts for insisting on Byron Donalds or Jim Jordan?

I honestly think we'd settle for Elise Stefanik at this point.

Yes, you're crazy to try and get someone in like Jim Jordan or Byron Donalds when you decide to vacate the speaker role after it took you guys 15 rounds to get someone to be speaker in the first place.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Yes, you're crazy to try and get someone in like Jim Jordan or Byron Donalds when you decide to vacate the speaker role after it took you guys 15 rounds to get someone to be speaker in the first place.

That's the RINOS problem. They'll all be voted out.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

That's the RINOS problem. They'll all be voted out.

That helps us in the present, how?

 

[Morrison]

Just straight up LOL at the House GOP right now. This is getting absurd.

At this point, I would not blame the Dems if instead of coming up with a plan to help out the GOP, they instead demand that reasonable Republicans abstain from voting so that Jeffries can be Speaker.

Why are you against my idea of the two hottest women of congress mud wrestling for the job? It’s heading in that direction, just need people to get behind it.😊

 

[cosmickid]

Read five of those articles linked earlier and none says what you claim happened. Not one said he used that phrase in a speech to a racist organization. A journalist says he said it to him, but that it didn’t mean he shared Duke’s racist views (the baggage), but did have some of the same conservative policy views. Even that he spoke to the Racist group is in dispute.

Link where you got your version of this story.

Here is what I said...

"So did Scalise actually tell them to vote for him because he was "Duke without the baggage", or is that just the way they characterized their approval of what he had to say? I personally think that it was a phrase he used to express solidarity with their "concerns", esp since it was Duke followers and he was an invited special guest.

Unlike other examples of Pub politicians cozying up to Neo-Nazis like when Fuentes actually introduced MTG at one of his gatherings, Duke was not actually there in person. They had him on simulcast, and in a way Scalise was a place holder. But he knew exactly who these folks were and who had invited him to come and speak.

So ultimately the question is not whether he said it, or whether they just inferred it and used that characterization in subsequent accounts. Later when Duke went to jail, the "influencers" of that time (2006) promotedl Scalise in the Neo-Nazi media (like Stormfront) as their replacement candidate of choice for their Neo-Nazi brethren."

I very clearly said that I didn't know if he had said it or if it was something the atendees took it upon themselves to infer. In rereading my post I see I neglected to link my source in that post, probably because I linked the main article a few pages back. But that post was based on the blog post that the original article author referenced within his article, so you may not have seen it...

House Majority Whip Steve Scalise Was Reportedly an Honored Guest at 2002 International White Supremacist Convention

According to recently uncovered posts on Stormfront, the Internet’s oldest and most notorious white nationalist and neo-Nazi forum, the United States House Majority Whip, Steve Scalise (R- Lo…

cenlamar.com

Again I never claimed that Scalise referred to himself as "Duke without the baggage". However last week Nancy Mace attributed that quote to him.Also we know that Scalise attended and spoke at the meeting, because he responded to the blog post I linked by apologizing for doing so.

Scalise: I 'regret' speech to white supremacy group

The House majority whip has already gone into full damage-control mode.

www.politico.com

The blog account relied on articles from attendees on Stormfront, and clearly they were enamored with what Scalise said. To be honest, the reason I wrote the post you quoted was because after being gone for a week or so, I was reading this thread and saw where DANC was still playing word games and arguing a point which wasn't in dispute.So my point was that the phrase had emerged somewhere and it really didn't matter (IMHO) if Scalise had used it himself or if the Nazis that posted on Stormfront created it to rationalize politically supporting Scalise after Duke was arrested.

I should clarify that when I opined that Scalise had used the phrase, I was talking about in individual meet and greets with various guests following his speech, rather than something he said from the lecturn. It just seems like a phrase designed to appeal to followers of Duke, which is why the whole event became known following the discovery of posts on Stormfront and other Neo-Nazi media, and the subsequent 2014 blog post when it became public knowledge.

 

[dbmhoosier]

That helps us in the present, how?

They're being put on notice. A lesson is being taught. Dems fall in line with what their voters want every single damn time. Every one of them. Republicans are tired of the betrayal.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

So when the Dems have control they can put in radical marxist San Francisco Nancy Pelosi but we're nuts for insisting on Byron Donalds or Jim Jordan?

I honestly think we'd settle for Elise Stefanik at this point.

No, you're dysfunctional for not being able to elect anyone.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Why are you against my idea of the two hottest women of congress mud wrestling for the job? It’s heading in that direction, just need people to get behind it.😊

Who would this be?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

They're being put on notice. A lesson is being taught. Dems fall in line with what their voters want every single damn time. Every one of them. Republicans are tired of the betrayal.

You’re trying way too hard.

 

[Morrison]

Who would this be?

Not sure on the Pub side, probably come back to Jordan and Scalise. 😳

 

[mcmurtry66]

They're being put on notice. A lesson is being taught. Dems fall in line with what their voters want every single damn time. Every one of them. Republicans are tired of the betrayal.

Trump knifed em!!

 

[Ty Webb iu]

So, the Trump endorsed Jim Jordan will not be Speaker. Trump just can't stop losing, and his flunkies just can't understand it and won't dump him. He's the worst thing that has ever happened to the GOP.

Wrong as usual. The worst thing to ever happen to the GOP was idiot Republicans catching TDS.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Trump knifed em!!

Correct.

 

[twenty02]

That's the RINOS problem. They'll all be voted out.

Yeah, it's like 190 to 25, but the 190 are the RINOs?

What amazing logic.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Yeah, it's like 190 to 25, but the 190 are the RINOs?

What amazing logic.

Trump will get 70% of the vote in the primary and the other 30% mostly like his policies. Represent your voters or you're a RINO.