For me masculinity boils down to this:
Very masculine people like to control their environment,
Very feminine people accept being controlled by their environment.
Of course much of the depends on given situations.
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Very masculine people like to control their environment,
Very feminine people accept being controlled by their environment.
Of course much of the depends on given situations.
Man, I knew you were old, but I didn't know you were raised in ancient Rome.
Damn I’m masculine.
Enduring principles is part of conservatism.
South West Texas Women, Masculine, beautiful, self sufficient, worthy of a house.
Fort Wayne law school women, whiny, dependent, requires a social safety net, Future looks like a tent in down town Chicago.
Er'body has a role.
I have a different take. Most men are masculine which the charts shows. Those type of men tend to be more independent and hold values that align closer to conservatives. It shows up very clearly on the extremes.
There is a much smaller percentage of men who are less masculine or feminine and those type of men tend to be more empathic, working in teams, and etc. Traits that tend to align more with liberals and also shows up very clearly on the extremes as well.
Those things may be true, but that's not what you're going to get from a poll like that. From a poll like that, you're going to get values. More liberal men are more likely (relatively speaking) to think of masculinity as a negative, and more conservative men are more likely (relatively speaking) to think of it as a positive, but that doesn't necessarily mean that men sort themselves politically based on their own actual masculinity.
Again, I'm not denying that they do; it's quite possible. I just don't think that's remotely the takeaway from a poll like that. I think the poll tells you what different men believe about the value of masculinity, nothing more.
I’ll push back a bit on empathy. I’m not sure it should be tied to masculinity or femininity. A masculine dad can be very empathetic with his children. He might not gush over it, talk about it incessantly, accuse others of not having it, or act in the same way a stereotypical woman would in response to it, but he can still feel it.
On the flip side, women might spend more time giving empathy lip service or even claim to be acting in the name of it, but I’m not sure they actually practice it any more than men do.
I think this conversation is a reminder that gender roles are very much an orthopraxy. CO.H's comments about domination, snarl's comments about empathy, they all boil down to performance. Masculinity (or femininity) is something you perform on the social stage.
I don’t disagree. I was just trying to list character traits that align more with the left to make my point. F#cking lawyers 🤣
Also, to be clear, you don’t need more than 10 seconds to convince me women are b#tches (just joking).
If the numbers were a lot different, I could entertain that as possibility.
Says a guy whose favorite mode of transportation is a recumbent bicycle 🙄...😑
As in performance is the primary intent or driving force? Or perform as in to tell if someone or something is masc/fem you have to judge the action as opposed to a thought?
The latter. We are judged on how we act and what we do, not on anything intrinsic to our identity.
The men I am comfortable being around are able to sublimate that
controlling drive(macho), yet are secure in their ability to persevere when driven to do so.
I tend to base my opinion on how a man treats women, children, animals, and alcohol...
Spartan helmet. Suit and tie. Going to start wearing that to court.
Some would say you can’t act in a way inconsistent with your intrinsic identity.
Pretty timely:
www.theatlantic.com
Zach Bryan’s Message to Men
The country singer’s rise is a small, hopeful sign for modern masculinity.
The poll isn't fair. Half of the men polled that are lefties identify as women.
You have a subscription to the Atlantic? I like Zach Bryan’s music but he’s a thin skinned a slow witted young man.Pretty timely:
Zach Bryan’s Message to Men
The country singer’s rise is a small, hopeful sign for modern masculinity.
Pretty timely:
Zach Bryan’s Message to Men
The country singer’s rise is a small, hopeful sign for modern masculinity.
Not as impactful as your podcast with Scott Galloway.
I’d read that if I had a subscription. However, I’d be super ghey if I had subscription to the Atlantic, which I’m obviously not. I’m on the far right of the chart. I pee sitting down and drank out my kids sippy cup today. That’s actually true. I was thirsty and he left it in the car. His loss.Pretty timely:
Zach Bryan’s Message to Men
The country singer’s rise is a small, hopeful sign for modern masculinity.
Also, only a leftist would name their publication after the wimpiest ocean. Anyway, I have the answer for male loneliness. Join a random board and say stupid mean shit to random people you don’t know. It’s a lot of fun.
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I think those people would be deluding themselves, to be honest. But it's still perpendicular to the point I was making, which wasn't about what your true self is, but merely about how large aspects of our gender are performative.
That sucks. @mcmurtry66 noodle only likes huge penises. You’d think with a name like noodle, that wouldn’t be the case, but names can be deceiving.
