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There’s a part of me that still feels like there has to be more to this than retrieving a couple boxes of documents. You don’t the need heavily armed FBI agents to achieve what could be achieved civilly, especially when it’s a former president.

I’d like to think the DOJ isn’t so dumb as to not realize how bad this looks.

If they are that dumb, they’re in for a world of hurt.

I think there’s more to this than what we know now.
I actually agree with you, and I think it points to the fact that the DOJ is a lot more honed in on the criminal aspects of Trump's situation than many folks believe. Raids are always a last resort for judges and prosecutors- they prefer cooperation. But when they feel they can't trust the object of their attention, then they're willing to authorize more extreme tactics...

I think the fact that both a Judge and Garland himself felt there was no other choice, is not good for Trump. But what I don't get is why DANC "liked" your post, because I don't think any of this benefits trump in a legal sense? Maybe politically in the short term. But being raided by the FBI is never a net positive...
 
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I was listening to Robert Barnes today on the Duran. He's usually spot on. He thinks this was a deep state raid. Basically Trump kept certain things that would make them look really, really bad if it ever came out as insurance if they ever try to indict him. Possibly related to Assange or Snowden and why Trump didn't pardon them. They were in his opinion looking to see whether Trump had the goods or not.

Worth a listen.

Anyone who uses the term "deep state" is never "spot on". Using Qanon language and being "spot on", are mutually exclusive and incompatible...
 
Not even you are dumb enough to believe that.

No one is.
I was listening to Robert Barnes today on the Duran. He's usually spot on. He thinks this was a deep state raid. Basically Trump kept certain things that would make them look really, really bad if it ever came out as insurance if they ever try to indict him. Possibly related to Assange or Snowden and why Trump didn't pardon them. They were in his opinion looking to see whether Trump had the goods or not.

Worth a listen.

What flavor is your kool aid today? Don’t have a clue who this clown Barnes is but if he or u had half a brain 🧠 u wouldn’t spew this garbage. U do realize that if agent orange is completely innocent of taking classified documents and he’s just protecting himself from prosecution then why doesn’t he reveal what the documents were specified in the warrant? He can do that and put all of this to rest. Of course he won’t because it doesn’t fit his narrative of the persecuted me syndrome. They got a warrant because someone in his circle ratted him out that he had not returned all of the documents requested in June. So he told DOJ they have everything and he lied. U do understand that lying to the FBI in itself is a crime? No reason to get a subpoena which would give him a chance to hide or destroy the documents. Seems to me agent orange based his whole campaign in 2016 on crooked Hillary’s handling of classified material or do we conveniently forget that. Remember lock her up? When did the party of law and order decide to subjectively not enforce the laws of the United States?
And now the lunatics on the far right are calling for civil war.
 
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It's all completely legit folks.

Just a stab in the dark here, why a judge appointed by Trump might be inclined to recuse himself from a civil case where Trump is a plaintiff and stands to possibly profit monetarily based on the judge's decision. In that case, the judge would have a direct influence on the case which would be argued in front of him...Civil cases are always going to include a subjective element, because ultimately a judge decides which party is more trustworthy. So recusal seems not only warranted, but essential when one of the parties is the man who gave you your job...

On the other hand, approving a warrant is basically an acknowledgement that you believe the possibility of criminal activity has occurred. He would have no influence over any actual trial, since it's very unlikely that any DOJ prosecution would end up in a FL courtroom. He was appointed by Trump, but just like several of the Judges who dismissed Trump's election suits were also Trump appointees I imagine his concern was whether or not the evidence brought to him was in his judgement- compelling...

So does it blow up your narrative to know that Reinhart is a Trump appointee? If you knew that (and I don't believe you did) why didn't you, or the Rasmussen reporter or the guy who tweeted the post you linked to bother to MENTION that? Don't you think THAT would be a very plausible reason for him to recuse himself from a case involving Trump that he would render a judgement on?

When looking at the website, it appears that the 3 locations all have a judge assigned on a daily basis. That makes me think that it was just pure chance that when they went to the West Palm location on Fri to seek a warrant it was the day Reinhart was on duty. What's your nefarious theory? Did he hate Trump because Trump appointed him as a magistrate and he hates his job? LOL...

I can't say definitively that my rationale is true, because there seems to be just a daily calendar with no way to go back and see an earlier day's assignments. But it certainly seems plausible...

 
Wonder how they know what he has?
They recently subpoenaed Cipollone and when it happened Kinzinger said it was "probably bad" for Trump. Since Cipollone testified before the House Jan 6 Committee prior to his DOJ subpoena, I doubt Adam K was "guessing" when he said that. So I'd start there...

 
I was listening to Robert Barnes today on the Duran. He's usually spot on. He thinks this was a deep state raid. Basically Trump kept certain things that would make them look really, really bad if it ever came out as insurance if they ever try to indict him. Possibly related to Assange or Snowden and why Trump didn't pardon them.

Brilliant.
 
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Breaking news. They’ve found 50 FBI agents that confirmed that Trump had the launch codes stored in his underwear drawer at mar a Largo.
They’ve got him now by gawd!
Even more shocking breaking News. Fox personalities are united in their zeal to proclaim Trump guilty...Guess they all had a change of heart...

 
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So does it blow up your narrative to know that Reinhart is a Trump appointee?
That is incorrect. He is a magistrate judge...they are picked by all active judges in the circuit.

You might want to take a look at how that judge acted around the Epstein case as well....he's not exactly a bastion of ethical behavior.
 
I wonder what Julius and Ethel Rosenberg would have thought about Trump stealing classified nuclear information from the White House.
 
He actually has top secret information that would send Hillary Clinton to prison if disclosed. You're right he's damn lucky.
You’re guessing. Or believing unsubstantiated information fed to you by propagandists.

The warrant and affidavit will tell us what probable cause existed and what was being sought. Until then maybe you should keep an open min…
 
He actually has top secret information that would send Hillary Clinton to prison if disclosed. You're right he's damn lucky.
If it were any of us we’d already b in prison. Gave him opportunities come clean but he thought they’d never dare search his home. It’s truly a sad day for this country regardless of who u support. Never thought we’d ever c something like this.
 
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If it were any of us we’d already b in prison. Gave him opportunities come clean but he thought they’d never dare search his home. It’s truly a sad day for this country regardless of who u support. Never thought we’d ever c something like this.
So you believe he has nuke info?
 
So you believe he has nuke info?
That’s what is being reported this am. Also, intelligence sources and methods. Really serious stuff that could jeopardize national security. Don’t know if it’s true but if so, prison is warranted. We certainly would b thrown in jail if it were us. Again politics aside if true this is very serious and needs to b treated as such.
 
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Good deflect from the primary issue.
Not really. I’m questioning the credibility of the WaPo leaked/planted story. Until Garland releases the affidavit we will never know. For his part, Trump has called for the releaseof everything.

I can’t conceive of important nuclear secrets being among presidential papers. Too many irrelevant people would hav.e too much access. As I understand it, POTUS doesn’t even control the football.
 
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