Loss of civility leaves America in a pickle
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Soccer……it all started with the rise of soccer. Our only hope is Pickleball can bring us back together.
Personally, I think it's the complete distrust of authority & institutions. (I am aware of the chicken & egg scenario.)
Regardless of all the jingoistic slogans of freedom constitutional rights etc. -- humans by and large need some paternalistic authority or you get what you are having now.
Without that trust, society can't function. And so it manifests in complete disrespect towards the different groups, organisations/institutions like police etc. Patriotism just isn't enough as seen by the opposing American flags on that infamous day in January; The Kerfuffle on the Hill.
The debate is about how & when did the distrust start. It's at an all-time low at the moment. Is this a terminal decline or just a long wave-length cycle?
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Perhaps you might look up jingoism. A chauvinistic, aggressive foreign policy has little to do with freedom and Constitutionally guaranteed rights of American citizens.
When did Fox News go on the air? Seems about the same time that we started seeing hate-filled old white guys everywhere.
They don’t commit many violent acts tho. You step over a lot of bills to get to the pennies you worry about
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I think the seeds were planted earlier. But social/ media has certainly accelerated the demise.
The fractures in society may be due to the income disparity? And if so, it really started back in the late 70s then. Real income for the middle class has barely risen in the teens, percentage-wise since then in real terms.
$20.00 Kangaroo Court fine.
Despite the correct beginning, it’s s***** (twice) and p*********.
Another Hoosier NCAA Championship is the correct solution to our ills.
In no particular order . . .
- social media
- Reality TV (a/k/a Adults Behaving Badly)
- shitty parenting (raising self-obsessed little brats, with no concept of respect, service or the Golden Rule)
- the waning influence of organized religion
I don't find the last one being an issue at all. Sometimes that is a large part of the problem, especially at a macro level, as people try to extend their religion beyond their personal space.
Not sure parenting is an issue. I don't see many kids playing pickle ball.
Social media and reality TV sure does expose the worst in some people. Social media brings us into contact with people who don't closely share our views, and reality TV, which I don't choose to watch, provides some pretty messed up modeling for behavior.
Dude. It's THE issue.
For sure. Along with everything Bowl listed including religion.
Old guy writing using pickelball as a back drop for people more willing to express their dislike of others winds its way back to kids and parenting.
I love the term “motive attribution.” Part of this issue is our strong tendency to assign motives and attitudes to people based on their skin color or what color hat they wear. We don’t see individuals, we see only members of groups.
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It's definitely something that has gotten worse. The older I get, the more I feel like that old guy saying how great the old days were lol.
I agree with the “self-obsessed little brat” comment and I think that is a huge issue. But it’s not just parenting. Our public education system encourages all of that. People find value in being a victim. We encourage that in k-12 though higher ed. Now we are in the second generation so we have self-obsessed brats raising more self-obsessed brats. Then people have learned to exploit victimhood for political and economic power, It’s a doom loop.
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you mean it is an issue that kids are raised like little lord fauntleroys thinking they are king of the households?
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As a parent one thing that pisses me off is other parents who let their kids do whatever they want and try to be their bestie. That's not parenting but it's what passes for it around here (Carmel).
God forbid we talk about parenting in the poorer communities across America. Parents now yell at teachers and coaches. No ****ing way my parents (nor I) would ever conclude my child's shitty performance in school or on a field was the result of the teacher or coach. But that's the world we live in.
Everybody a victim. Backed up by everything they see on social media. Always somebody else's fault.
this quote made me think of the impact of divorce and i wanted to see the percentages and on my google search this is the first thing that came up from our friends over at lovingatyourbest
. Hilarious....Which year of marriage is the hardest?
Final Thoughts. The hardest years of marriage are the first, third, fifth, and seventh or eighth.
ha! those 7th and 8th years are when i tap out or get submitted
Brother, if I yelled at a adult, any adult when I was younger and my parents found out, I wouldn't have been able to sit down for a week.
With that being said, parenting is a hard job.
Kids should know that their parents are their biggest fans and supporters, but if they do wrong, they need to be punished. Not all kids, obviously, have that. I'm not talking capital punishment type punishment, but ground them for a week from their friends or take away their phone for a week, something that will effect their everyday life.
If they don't have a fear, and I'm not sure fear is the correct word, of keeping on the correct path so they can have all their "extras" (I'm talking fun activities, electronics not taken away, ect) at their disposal, that's when I feel like they'll do whatever they want and not worry about any consequences.
Did you mean "corporal" punishment, because I am totally with you on the "capital" kind being a little harsh?
Query for the board. I dragged my daughter to my game last week. We were early and I was introducing her to one of my teammates I was saying this is Matt while he stuck his hand out and said I’m mr xxxx. I quickly threw in his last name to salvage the moment but I was going with his first name not mr so and so
I quit. 😄
None of this is new to this generation. It's just now captured on video.
Instead of fighting on pickle ball courts, they fought on racquetball courts, even tennis courts. They certainly fought on basketball courts. Ever had an argument about who has next?
Two weeks ago there was a fight in my goto over a dart board. Men in their 40s and 50s.
If it's over poor parenting, it was parenting done a long time ago.
32 years of coaching:
I had a parent in 1993 tell me his grandmother could win with my team (I guess that meant I could really recruit), but that was because I ranked another kid on team at his son's position higher than his son in Hoop Scoop, even though he started for me.
In 2005, I had a death threat from a parent. I didn't take it seriously, but there were plenty of witnesses. Today, someone would've called the cops on him.
Same summer, 2005, I had to tell another dad he was no longer welcome to our games. (He pulled his son...of course.)
In 2019, a dad had one too many blow ups in the stands, so again, I had to tell him he was no longer welcome.
In 32 years of coaching, the only evolution in parents I've seen is their attempt to micromanage the coverage they get, and even that is in only about 10% of them. They aren't problems. They just don't know what they don't know.
I haven't seen a mass change in parents. What I also haven't seen a change in is one generation blaming the ones below it. We dissect the impacts of social media, and there are many, but most of what it's done to parenting is captured more of the bad ones and added one more element of things to worry about with their children.
BTW...there were parents back in the day who let their child do whatever. I'm friends with parents who share their stories and views. I've effectively lived with two different women who had kids. Both great single mothers. I would say their boundaries are looser to some degree to mine, but I was also of generation that was left alone during the day in my youth. That's not really possible these days.
My mother had it easy. I couldn't threaten to go live with my dad. He lived too far away, and she knew I was bluffing.
Hyperbole.
incivility seems to be MOST on the rise NOT among the youth, but rather among angry old farts, usually white and usually male, and always playing the victim card.
not even in the ballpark
At least 14 robbed in violent, hour-long robbery spree overnight; 78-year-old beaten by muggers
Carloads of robbers committed an hour-long string of robberies from the North Side to downtown Chicago this morning, robbing at least 14 people, many of whom were physically attacked.
cwbchicago.com
It is how most of the country has been trained to view an issue. That is particularly true the younger you go.
Incredible right? They’ll latch on to one day in January while ignoring that much of the youth in our cities is now feral.not even in the ballpark
At least 14 robbed in violent, hour-long robbery spree overnight; 78-year-old beaten by muggers
Carloads of robbers committed an hour-long string of robberies from the North Side to downtown Chicago this morning, robbing at least 14 people, many of whom were physically attacked.
shitter hates himself and white men. it's bizarre. like he and his family were centuries old slave owners and he can't figure out how to atone. very odd
