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Well that is probably why he keeps losing to quick athletic teams.
I'll take the chicken and the egg, Alex. PU as a program and its coaches simply have a ceiling. Poor bastards like BoilerN think Charlie Brown is going to finally kick the ball. Instead, they historically s*** the bed against #16 seeds.
Talking about Painter dipsh*t. Does he not recruit his personnel?
But, to be fair player development doesn’t always mean developing a player for the NBA. I’ve seen plenty of IU players that were developed to be much, much better college players that never played in the pros.
Agreed, but the argument being made is flat out silly. It's an indictment on recruiting more than anything else and has become a self fulfilling prophecy. They can't get NBA talent, because they don't don't recruit NBA talent. They can't recruit NBA talent, because they don't put guys in the NBA.
Who are the names. You gave 1, who's yet to be an upperclassmen. But yes, I think that's why they struggle with athleticism. So does Painter. It's why he's trying to get more athletic.
Because he recruits players to his system and certain personalities. If NBA caliber athletes don't want to play for him, why did Carsen, Ivey, Biggie, Trevion, Furst (guy above mentioned him, so I will), Catchings, Colvin, Gicarri Harris (if he commits), etc come to Purdue. Ivey just went 5. Am I missing something?
Purdue just had a guy go 5th. They have a big man that is seemingly a fringe 1st rounder right now. That you all said wouldn't be drafted. They have some NBA caliber athletes coming up (quit confusing the word athlete and talent when discussing recruiting). So do they want to play for Painter and be developed into NBA players or is Purdue putting some good NIL packages together to get them to come?
Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always viewed the Boilers as a system program that recruits players that work in that system. It seems ages ok, but there was a video posted here of Painter speaking before an IU game, and he was talking about growing up an IU fan, a Knight fan. After that part he started talking recruiting, I wish I could link the transcript of what he said.
To add to that, in 2014ish when Purdue had been bad, he saw Knight and Knight said something along the lines of "you got away from who we are as coaches." Biggest difference between then and now is the game has changed so much. Way more athletes and overall talent across the board.
OG does not fit your point. OG was not an expected nba player and he came to IU and turned into one. Painter doesn’t send even his high ranked kids to the league.
...or into the 2nd round of the NCAAT.
There’s not a single NBA mainstay on that list lol. Sure Ivey is posed to get there assuming he stays healthy, but two guys in 20 years that have played 82+ NBA games is pathetic.
And why they’ve chronically underachieved in March for the last half century.
Gawd! I never grow tired of that epic meltdown. Dude for FDU was on the foul line with 8.1 left and I'm saying "come on buddy! Make 'em"🤣 Painter gets out coached by a "Spence Olchin" look-a-like🤣
They have an odiferous fatty fetish?
He does. He was super athletic. That was my whole point. Players who are athletic enough to make it. Vince wasn't athletic enough for the position he played imo. To slow. Terone hit a wall at Purdue. Weird years. Had a chance. Kaufman-Renn just finished his freshman year???? Kendall transferred out after a horrible shooting year. Nojel is way to limited offensively and his mom hurt his development. I thought he had a real chance tbh. Hammons? He played for the heat a bit i think. To lazy. Each of those guys have/had enough athleticism, but couldn't put it together. Some of that might be coaching, some of that might be player. Thousand players a year with the athleticism, but can't put it together.
Carsen was to short. Trevion, biggie were to limited athletically. The rest have yet to play in college, so I'd hope they aren't mainstays.... they have the athleticism though. And Furst, whose still developing.
I'm sure Painter will figure it out. Gotta have faith. He just needs more time. He needs 20 more years. He's still pretty young. The mid-major programs like FDU had advantages that PU simply doesn't have. He just has to recruit better, that's all: more "athletic" players are the key. RMK talked to Painter before, so he has that going for him.
So athleticism isn't needed? If Painter wasn't changing, I'd be more worried. He's consistently changed and adapted in his career though. And he's won a shit ton of games. He will be fine. I'll take the word of hundreds of coaches at all levels talking about Painter over yours.
Painter will be fine. He'll get those mid-majors figured out, you'll see: just needs more time. He has waited 20 years into his career to recruit "athletic" players, but he got that figured out in time and is making the adjustment. Painter is adapting every year, that is why they call him the chameleon. To those who say playing 1950's Frankenball is antiquated, creates more disadvantages than advantages, and isn't suited to beat a #16 seed, I'd say just the opposite. Other coaches, including RMK, have talked to Painter and think he's a swell dude: that's all I need to hear.
So your argument is that because Painter doesn’t recruit “athletes” he doesn’t have a good track record of putting guys in the NBA?
add him to my list, which I noticed you conveniently ignored. But, everyone one of those guys at some point had Boilers coming over here and crowing about their NBA future. And several I think had the athleticism, but were lacking other parts of their game. Kaufman has been especially interesting. Remember when he went to PU so he could play on the wing and develop his NBA potential as a 3 playing alongside Edey and Furst, and not get stuck in the post like TJD? Ha, yeah, me too!
He wins regular season games. He doesn’t put guys in the league or win on national stage. He is what he is….Gene Keady
Wow! Really?! If he were 4 inches taller?!
Kaufman is still developing. We will see where he ends up when all is said and done.
So genetics, speed, size, athleticism have little to do with getting to the NBA?
He looks slow. He’s the definition of tweener. Not physical/skilled enough to guard the 3 or 5. He looks like a classic 4 that can shoot. I’ve seen many say he’s a 5 but boy has he got a lot of work to do.
