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Just nothin going on in Dc. People never went

Is WFM woke?

No reason to be in office if there’s no legit reason. We have Teams, Slack, etc.

Just another pump and dump by Musk. Like how he pumped out his salute.
It’s not just musk. I suspect there’s some generational perception differences too

 
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It’s not just musk.

Yeah, I know. I support hybrid schedules for some workers but not really necessary. When I voluntarily go into the office about every two weeks, I’m either less productive due to chatty Cathy’s or I sit alone in my office like I would at home.

And as a fellow MPA, you know that public sector employees need non-financial incentives, like remote flexibility.
 
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It’s not just musk. I suspect there’s some generational perception differences too

I have an easy answer. Work from home isn't as efficient and companies know it. The Covid fun money is running out and the party is coming to end. And no it doesn't mean all jobs are less efficient from home.
 
I have typed and deleted so much on this topic this morning. You basically have it nailed and I am in a position to know first hand how poorly thought out this whole directive has been. Not sure I feel comfortable sharing much else but out of anyone in this topic you are the one closest to reality.
I second that. I’m retired (twice) but I know a ton of people in government and worked in government before my final job. Twenty has it right.
 
I have an easy answer. Work from home isn't as efficient and companies know it. The Covid fun money is running out and the party is coming to end. And no it doesn't mean all jobs are less efficient from home.
Nah, a few boomers having issues with their Slack and Zoom login doesn’t mean less efficient.
 
Yeah, I know. I support hybrid schedules for some workers but not really necessary. When I voluntarily go into the office about every two weeks, I’m either less productive due to chatty Cathy’s or I sit alone in my office like I would at home.

And as a fellow MPA, you know that public sector employees need non-financial incentives, like remote flexibility.
Out of curiosity what did you do with the mpa?
 
My kids would be lottery lucky to learn from you. Education can’t be all bad
She would be a Bitcoiner and running her own financial TikTok channel by the end of the semester. I don't think education is bad, it's just wasteful. And as you can tell, I do really well with tax dollar waste 🤣
 
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I have typed and deleted so much on this topic this morning. You basically have it nailed and I am in a position to know first hand how poorly thought out this whole directive has been. Not sure I feel comfortable sharing much else but out of anyone in this topic you are the one closest to reality.

Good luck to you. Understand not comfortable sharing
 
You still aren’t speaking to the assertion that the prior policy contributed to poorer outcomes. So why wouldn’t we shrink the staff and return to precovid measures and see what those policies produce
But I’m tempted to believe remote work leads to poorer services as opm wrote.
I know there are mouse jigglers that people use to trick remote oversight of employees
If you’re a manager, you know who’s getting their shit done.
There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. I manage remote people across the country and contractors in SE Asia. All of this can be accomplished with Teams/Zoom (crap)/whatever and good management. Last part being the most important. Understand what you need to know to reach/exceed benchmarks, create controls, measure, manage, learn.

We stopped holding people accountable at times during COVID. That's what needs to go.
 
Congress decides how much money to spend and directs what to do with it. Not sure how that's the fault of some GS employee who was just hired to do a job

Because bureaucrats are 1) submitting the budget requests, and 2) Chevron allowed bureaucrats to make policy decisions which led to #1.

We're not going to agree, so let's just leave it at that.
 
No you whine and pout and post shit like you did. Twenty thinks the policy is dumb and explained why. Others are explaining why they disagree. Your dumbass posts trump good. Stupid
You’re right. Your constant babbling and literally repeating yourself 5000x a day has finally won me over. You’re my new hero. My muse. Get a f—-ing hobby
 
You’re right. Your constant babbling and literally repeating yourself 5000x a day has finally won me over. You’re my new hero. My muse. Get a f—-ing hobby
Soccer. Been there all morning. Learn how to interact with other humans. Oh you’re a doctor. Forget it. Too late. Carry on with the zero personality board misfits

You had an opp to contribute in this thread but like other bottom feeder dipshits you can’t get past trump. Your typical dogshit contribution.

Apologize to the board
 
Soccer. Been there all morning. Learn how to interact with other humans. Oh you’re a doctor. Forget it. Too late. Carry on with the zero personality board misfits

You had an opp to contribute in this post but like other bottom feeder dipshits you can’t get past trump.
Something to consider. When people say “Trust the science” or “Listen to your doctor”.

OS and whyisIUBB are two of the more irrational and unhinged people on this board.

Do your own research, get a second, third, fourth opinion. We do this in every other aspect of life.

Imagine if you were looking to purchase a car and someone told you:

“Don’t look into it, trust the car salesman, they’re the expert”
 
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Something to consider. When people say “Trust the science” or “Listen to your doctor”.

OS and whyisIUBB are two of the more irrational and unhinged people on this board.

Do your own research, get a second, third, fourth opinion. We do this in every other aspect of life.

Imagine if you were looking to purchase a car and someone told you:

“Don’t look into it, trust the car salesman, they’re the expert”
We can only lead by example with our informative posts and hope against hope they reconsider their positions
 
Yep. And I now work fully from home in the private sector.
"Work"

Sarcastic Uh Huh GIF by GIPHY Studios 2021
 
Not disagreeing at all that law firms work way longer hours than public employees. Same with your average tech worker.

This is a discussion for another day, but not sure why Americans make working 60-80 hours a week a badge of honor. Unless you are making F You money that allows you to retire in short order, why do it?

Working decades at 60 plus hours a week for 200-400k per year is the definition of insanity. You are a work slave who never sees your kids, coaches, or volunteers in your community. Just crazy.
It's not crazy. People weight values differently.
 
Out of curiosity what did you do with the mpa?
Mainly started the program for the credential and to check the Masters box for job requirements. Focused on public and higher education stats/data/policy analysis and research. So that’s pretty much what I have done in higher ed for several years.

I’ve interviewed and applied for similar state and federal gov positions but never received an offer.
 
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It's not crazy. People weight values differently.
People do, but at a general level surveys show the more people work over 40 hours the less happy they are.

And the American Heart Association shows the chances of a coronary event go up working a decade over 50 hours (even for people under 50 years).

 
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People do, but at a general level surveys show the more people work over 40 hours the less happy they are.

And the American Heart Association shows the chances of a coronary event go up working a decade over 50 hours (even for people under 50 years).

I'm skeptical of polls like that.

Some people don't weight personal happiness as high as others. Others don't or can't take into account what a counterfactual situation would be like (less money, fewer luxuries, fewer trips, etc.). And some people would prefer to be richer, or more well respected and would give up life span to do so. That's not to say people in fact maximize their values--irrationality, emotional makeup, cultural biases, bad choices, imperfect information, etc. all get in the way.
 
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I'm skeptical of polls like that.

Some people don't weight personal happiness as high as others. Others don't or can't take into account what a counterfactual situation would be like (less money, fewer luxuries, fewer trips, etc.). And some people would prefer to be richer, or more well respected and would give up life span to do so. That's not to say people in fact maximize their values--irrationality, emotional makeup, cultural biases, bad choices, imperfect information, etc. all get in the way.
And there are people who are happiest when miserable. They work the long hours so they can complain about the long hours and be the martyr. They can kill workplace morale

Heck, message boards are filled with people unhappy because more people aren't unhappy. They want policies to promote unhappiness. You know, working from home might make someone happy so we better eliminate it.
 
Mainly started the program for the credential and to check the Masters box for job requirements. Focused on public and higher education stats/data/policy analysis and research. So that’s pretty much what I have done in higher ed for several years.

I’ve interviewed and applied for similar state and federal gov positions but never received an offer.
Good stuff 👍.
 
And there are people who are happiest when miserable. They work the long hours so they can complain about the long hours and be the martyr. They can kill workplace morale

Heck, message boards are filled with people unhappy because more people aren't unhappy. They want policies to promote unhappiness. You know, working from home might make someone happy so we better eliminate it.
That's a bit unfair, I think.

The underlying rationale for ending WFH isn't a desire to make people less happy; it's based on an assumption that productivity decreases from WFH.
 
Disagree. Having kids that are in daycare 50 hours a week is crazy. If you want that, then get a cat.
50 is excessive. Mine is in 28 hours. I had always been opposed but once divorced those fights go bye bye mostly. I have seen some benefits. We had soccer practice again this am. My kid, while largely feral, is not in the shy group holding dad’s leg like a large group do. He’s used to being independent and interacting with kids and adults.
 
That said I don’t think most gov ees who want to work from home are creating the next Tesla.
I have always believed that if you put people in a position where they can cheat more than half will cheat and rationalize it away. There's no way I would let people work from home if I was running a company. I was reading an article a while back about how much more crowded golf courses are throughout the day since companies started letting their employees work remotely. You think there might be a correlation? :)
 
I have always believed that if you put people in a position where they can cheat more than half will cheat and rationalize it away. There's no way I would let people work from home if I was running a company. I was reading an article a while back about how much more crowded golf courses are throughout the day since companies started letting their employees work remotely. You think there might be a correlation? :)
I don’t believe in work from home. I think there are too many distractions. Some can pull it off sure but I believe more work gets done at the office.
 
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I have always believed that if you put people in a position where they can cheat more than half will cheat and rationalize it away. There's no way I would let people work from home if I was running a company. I was reading an article a while back about how much more crowded golf courses are throughout the day since companies started letting their employees work remotely. You think there might be a correlation? :)
Golf has seen an overall uptick in popularity since COVID as it was one of the few activities you could partake in, even in some lockdown states.
 
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