Floggings will increase until morale improves. You forgot to add that to your TDS stance. Next you will say that they all get #'s tattooed on their arms. geeesh. lets wait and see.
Just nothin going on in Dc. People never went
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I've worked in DC, can't imagine how they get anyone to show up there and work those more basic admin type positions that pay $60k or $70k or whatever. Commuting there is absolute hell and nobody on a govt salary could even think of buying a house within 90 mins away. It's fine when you're in your 20s but forget having a normal life there unless you've got a HHI of 300+
Well I hope the decentralize a lot from DC. Put the EPA HQ in Kansas City. Transportation department in Houston, Education department in Tupelo, MS.
Bulldoze the Hoover building and replace it with a bunch of regional offices.
A percentage of them will quit and any job that could be done remotely, can still be done remotely by the way. Office space won’t be an issue.
Well that's not what's happening. All remote work agreements across the entire government have been revoked. Including all people that were hired on as remote workers. Office space is definitely a major issue.
I appreciate the answer. I guess my feeling is things change, whether it's government or private. Jobs and people get relocated all the time. Just a part of life, IMHO.
As for remote vs. on location, I would like to see productivity comparisons. I know there are mouse jigglers that people use to trick remote oversight of employees. So, I'd have to see how much increased productivity will be gained.
For now, I think I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the genius billionaire over a WC poster on this issue. No offense.
No you whine and pout and post shit like you did. Twenty thinks the policy is dumb and explained why. Others are explaining why they disagree. Your dumbass posts trump good. Stupid
I’m saying they can hire third parties for jobs that were being completing remotely if those people won’t come back to the office.
Opm says poorer productivity outcomes. Now we don’t believe that? I don’t give the gov the benefit of the doubt on production and outcomes after Covid etc
In Indiana, the new Governor issued an EO entitled Return to Work. Starting July 1, state employees must be in office 5 days a week. Currently, the state offers a hybrid schedule with 3 days in office and 2 at home.
So, if the new Governor was ending hybrid schedules, why is the EO entitled Return to Work? Because this whole fully in office movement is fueled by the ignorance of people who hate government. Rubes actually believe that state employees have not worked since Covid and the new Governor wants people to think that.
Hybrid work was a perk employees greatly appreciated and it cost the state nothing. Before the previous Governor issued a slate of pro employee policies, including hybrid work, the state was hemorrhaging workers and couldn’t hire new ones. These policies changed things immensely. So why would the new guy undo it all? And for what?
So, if the new Governor was ending hybrid schedules, why is the EO entitled Return to Work? Because this whole fully in office movement is fueled by the ignorance of people who hate government. Rubes actually believe that state employees have not worked since Covid and the new Governor wants people to think that.
Hybrid work was a perk employees greatly appreciated and it cost the state nothing. Before the previous Governor issued a slate of pro employee policies, including hybrid work, the state was hemorrhaging workers and couldn’t hire new ones. These policies changed things immensely. So why would the new guy undo it all? And for what?
Trump bad (grunt) all others good.
You don’t know him? Let me introduce him. He’s a tall handsome soccer player with a passion for love. He also has a business acumen similar to Rockefeller.
However, none of those things are what makes him great. His greatness comes from being a leader of men. As the Dream Team coach he wakes up each day teaching, leading, and testing. As a member I can tell he is testing you right now. Don’t take it personal, he’s just molding you into something great.
Well bitch I know a certain someone who has recently become incredibly active on our board and on the grill
Hahaha good point. Maybe my take deserves an asterisk as the only guy who fails selling drugs
That's probably our difference. I absolutely do not. He is a habitual liar. I doubt he'll be around all that long anyway.
I am not talking about field offices. I’m talking about regional HQ’s. Don’t try and correct me, know nothing, we had this discussion yesterday.
Been working at home mostly since COVID. Same with my team. I've seen no loss of productivity. In fact I think people overall work more and the computer is always there.
I miss aspects of the office and still go in a few days a month. Less miles on the car, fewer full ups, plus I can throw something in the crock pot or start the dishwasher between meetings. What's not to love?
Plus my wife retires from teaching in 4 years. I would have likely joined her. But now I can work a few weeks in the Winter from somewhere tropical. With that flexibility, I may work now until 58 or 59. I know several like me that may stay in longer due to the flexibility.
That’s a similar mindset to most employers. Gotta weed out your weak links
back to the office. Ridiculous. Biden is really something else
White House says mostly empty DC offices are a 'national embarrassment' in memo about federal RTO mandate
A memo from the White House's Office of Personnel Management criticized "virtually unrestricted" telework and laid out next steps for agency heads.www.yahoo.com
Dc needed a real estate valuation reset more than any place
As with anything, I think it depends on the job. I’m always torn because I do think there are less distractions at the office vs home, but the extra 45 mins of commute and stress of driving in rush hour don’t always seem worth it.
In the office, you naturally get pulled into meaningless conversations but simultaneously can improve knowledge transfer considerably. That’s a big issue with law firm associates right now.
Ok. I absolutely don't trust the career bureaucrats that have helped to put us into 36T of debt.
I actually miss the face to face at times. But I’m productive at home and it makes family life easier for all of us. I just don’t appreciate people who claim WFH means you’re not working. If you’re a manager, you know who’s getting their shit done. If you don’t, you’re a shit manager and making people show up 5 days in office isn’t going to fix your deficiencies.
Most? I dunno about that. There are definitely shitty companies.
Hiring and retaining good people is the hardest thing in my job. I've fired several people that were poor performers, not enjoyable but had to be done.
But did have one time had to let someone go that wasn't performance related, was a cut that was out of our control entirely. Was a horrible day as I knew the toll it was going to take on their family. I don't have any agreement with any leader who just wants to inflict pain on an employee's career as some kind of real life Hunger Games
But back to you original point... To me this kind of policy seems the opposite. The people who leave are most likely those that have options and are desirable employees.
I know you know nothing. You post a lot about things of which you’re totally ignorant.
Why would the FBI need regional HQs? They have one Director of the FBI. He needs one HQ. Shutting down the FBIs HQ is a silly talking point and doing it would be asinine.
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Congress decides how much money to spend and directs what to do with it. Not sure how that's the fault of some GS employee who was just hired to do a job
Very job dependent for sure. Having people in a car a couple hours per day to go sit in a cubicle and get on Teams meetings all day is peak stupidity.
There is a large segment of the GOP who hate government and don’t believe it works. When in charge, they will show you how to make sure it doesn’t work.
Agree 100 percent on the knowledge transfer part. These college grads don't know what they are missing.
I used the think I could focus more in office but now I'm not sure. When I go in now and reserve an office, inevitably some asshole next office over spends the day on zoom calls with a Jabra blaring. I'm not sure if my brain has rewired from working in a quiet house, but I find the noise level in the office distracting.
I worked for the state of Ohio. By 5 the office was empty. By 4 mostly empty. I worked at United way. If people worked 30 hours a week it was a miracle. I worked at 3 law firms. The difference in hours was night and day. At all 3 law firms. 6 at night at least. And most Saturday mornings. I think our view of gov isn’t without support. People take those jobs for security and assume they are giving up pay so they don’t have to work a ton.
Tesla is Tesla bc of the hours. I have zero doubt.
Not disagreeing at all that law firms work way longer hours than public employees. Same with your average tech worker.
This is a discussion for another day, but not sure why Americans make working 60-80 hours a week a badge of honor. Unless you are making F You money that allows you to retire in short order, why do it?
Working decades at 60 plus hours a week for 200-400k per year is the definition of insanity. You are a work slave who never sees your kids, coaches, or volunteers in your community. Just crazy.
That’s something I’ve always been conflicted about. It’s an interesting topic
Because we’re a hardworking, industrious society and not decadent Europeans who are content to fall into a malaise while their societies crumble.
I have typed and deleted so much on this topic this morning. You basically have it nailed and I am in a position to know first hand how poorly thought out this whole directive has been. Not sure I feel comfortable sharing much else but out of anyone in this topic you are the one closest to reality.
