Where would investigative journalism be without moles, leaks, and other forms of deception? Think Deep Throat here.
James o’Keefe nails it.
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Reasoning around moral issues is what moral bankruptcy is all about.
Right. We now believe chemical castration is cruel for convicted sex offenders but chemical castration is fine for confused prepubescent boys.
FIFY
As for the second sentence. Prove it. Give me stats that show more Democrats have lied and not faced consequences compared to Republicans. And I'm talking documented sources, not opinion pieces.
I am willing to bet that every instance that you can come up with for a Republican losing his job because of a lie that they told, I can find one that either was not held accountable or find an equal number of Democrats that have also faced reprecussions.
On the subject of differences between Republicans and Democrats in regard to the media, I found this Gallup poll interesting. In part the poll discovered the following,,.
Sixty-seven percent of Republicans but far fewer Democrats (20%) and independents (48%) have an unfavorable opinion of the news media. Across all measures, Republicans express more negative sentiments about the media than do Democrats and independents.
So whether you believe in the "fake news" and/or the media lies conclusions depends on your politics. Just another reason why the country is so divided since we don't have a common source for the news that the great majority can trust.
That’s not surprising given the political make up of the media.
Oh just stop with the Fox BS. Fox is honest with its positions. Big Media is dishonest and subliminal with its ideology.
I am reading Max Hastings book on the Vietnam War (it is excellent). He often speaks about how it was covered. After Tet there were a lot of stories about how we had lost Tet, which wasn't true. He quotes a book about which he said is very balanced on how the war was reported (I don't recall the name). That second author was quoted as saying that journalists tried to outdo themselves for sensational stories and headlines because those sold. So large numbers of the media were well off in what/how they were reporting. But later that second author said the only saving grace was as bad as the journalists were, they were more accurate in reporting what was happening than the White House and Pentagon.
As I was going through that section, this thread came to mind.
As I was going through that section, this thread came to mind.
Maybe we were fooled into thinking all journalists were like Cronkite and Brinkley (those of us old enough, anyway) when they delivered the nightly network news. I even remember thinking Sam Donaldson seemed a bit too liberal-leaning to be a network news anchor.
Reality is news consumption has always been 'buyer-beware." No one should trust any one source or point of view. I'm still trying to get my kids to adopt this (who are split between R and D), with limited success.
Hastings fits the definition of an investigative journalist as I understand it, as he actually unveils a cover-up by the Pentagon and White concerning the truth about what was occurring in Viet Nam along with giving us the truth. Another example would be Woodward and Bernstein with Watergate.
If ever there was a time for a wutabout, this is it.
I'm not old enough to remember if Ike lied, but every president since then has lied to some extent. One in particular was fluent in falsehoods.
In the days of Brinkley and Cronkite the trust level of our institutions including newspapers and government was really high.
Not the case these days with only a few, such as yours truly, thinking we are overly distrustful to the extent of being harmful to what used to make us great. Say this at the risk of being called the kind of naive woke who is the real threat to what made us great.
With trust in the media in the dumpster, maybe our concern is overblown. But still; Facebook and Twitter brag about the influence they had in the 2020 outcomes, and that Hunter laptop thing is another damaging example of media influence.
I keep hearing and seeing the term "social media influencer" and how much money they can make. I have no idea what a social media influencer is, who they influence, or that they influence about. But the fact that there is such a thing with lots of money in some cases tells me that influencing others is big business. Surely Big Media knows this.
CoH, you bring up a good point.
I have several acquaintances who don't read newspapers or watch political tv shows but do buy into political memes and questionable propaganda on social media cites such as Facebook.
"Social media influencers" are professional shills. You could make a bundle.
"Professional"
If by professional you mean good looking women willing to show cleavage and always opt for the two piece.
He is talking about going in undercover not actually deceiving interview subjects. You saw 60 minutes do this and that included Mike Wallace using those tapes.
While holding up the package of dried figs they claim are awesome, yes.
really? how so?
i take it you can't credibly debate what i said. just don't like that i said it.
i get a lot of that.
far more of that than actual responses i might add.
would what i said be any different in the slightest if said by someone else?
do you judge what is said by what is said, or by who said it?
if the latter, then that's obviously a you problem you should deal with.
deception on the investigative side is not the same as deception in reporting the findings of said investigations.
the issue at hand is O'Keefe's deception in the reporting side, not the investigation side.
but then you already knew that, so were just being deceitful again.
that you consistently can't back your stances without being so, doesn't say anything about your stances or your character.
again, be better.
or can you just not help being who you are, and are unable or unwilling to better yourself?
if you can't back your points being better, find different points to back.
He hasn’t bragged about getting free gov’t money on here, maybe you should give it a shot & make a bundle. It seems you have shown to be a capable shill when it came to being a mod….
Just wait until he gets his 1099 next January…. Oh wait…. It may not apply after all.
You can blame that on @twenty02 . I've been bought and paid for.
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that is why franken resigned over an photo and trump the sexual assaulter is revered by the gop.
because republicans are held to such a high standard? Lmao
dems have standards. GOP votes for whoever the crappiest immoral person they can find
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I think you’re missing what he’s saying. He’s saying Fox doesn’t mask their bias like CNN does.
@UncleMark has exhibited knowledge of computer hardware and software that he could have easily hung out a shingle and done very well. Good IT people who do good work and stick around can do very well.
Not really. To do well in the area I was most qualified, you had to be able to charge big bucks. Once people started using phones for most of their actual computing needs, and/or laptops became disposable, the market I catered to dried up. I was never a full fledged IT guy, doing networking and admin type stuff like @Marvin the Martian . I was more a computer mechanic.
After spending time here at the Cooler with my conservative friends and trying to walk in their shoes, I see bias everywhere.
PBS Frontline, PBS Newshour, 60 Minutes, local TV news, Indianapolis Star, to name a few. Sources which I still consider worth watching and reading. Am I completely woked out ?
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It’s impossible to eliminate bias. We’re humans. Controlling for bias is the right idea. CNN gives the illusion of it but they fail.
IT jobs are going away. Microsoft sells people cloud SQL, so my SQL management skills are less in need. Same for my IIS and overall server management. A couple hundred at AWS or Microsoft can do what thousands of us used to do.
Programming is done in India.
I would not recommend IT. A handful will make good money. But not near the numbers we have had. Efficiency sucks for careers.
I could have put out a shingle and made a go of it if everyone still ran XP and laptops still cost $1000 and there were no smart phones. Back in those days I could charge fairly for my services and it was worth it to the customer. Those days are long gone.
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Marv you should’ve been a social media influencer instead.
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