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It's a real shame Justin Smith has to play so much

Besides Morgan, Langford, Phinisee, and Durham this roster needs to fixed I mean two are gone next year but the rest can pack there bags no talent and no heart.
 
Besides Morgan, Langford, Phinisee, and Durham this roster needs to fixed I mean two are gone next year but the rest can pack there bags no talent and no heart.
I thought Al and Rob both played well for the most part. Lots lacking elsewhere.
 
This team will get a huge make over for next season you can mark that down. And JS may well not be in the mix either. Just no BBall IQ at all. If CAM can bring in Watford,Brooks and a couple outside shooters there may very well be only 2 players see much playing time from this year to next.
 
Yea we need Shooters like I said gut this damn roster Rob, and Al are the only two I care about the rest can get Creaned in the offseason
 
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Yea we need Shooters like I said gut this damn roster Rob, and Al are the only two I care about the rest can get Creaned in the offseason
oh yeah because Al does so well. How many free throws did he miss? You dumb ****s want to keep blaming certain players because you're so dumb it's pathetic. The lob to Smith was to his right so he tried to one hand it, like no one has ever missed a dunk. The truth is you morons think Morgan played such a great ****ing game and how many easy baskets did he miss. Get your ****ing heads out of your asses and stfu. Indiana basketball may not be where we want it but this message board is so ****ing way worse than that. Get a ****ing clue and stop acting like you know anything about what's going on and what players are doing well and what ones aren't. Goodby and I hope you all get smacked in the head to knock some sense into you because you're just plain ****ing dumb.
 
oh yeah because Al does so well. How many free throws did he miss? You dumb ****s want to keep blaming certain players because you're so dumb it's pathetic. The lob to Smith was to his right so he tried to one hand it, like no one has ever missed a dunk. The truth is you morons think Morgan played such a great ****ing game and how many easy baskets did he miss. Get your ****ing heads out of your asses and stfu. Indiana basketball may not be where we want it but this message board is so ****ing way worse than that. Get a ****ing clue and stop acting like you know anything about what's going on and what players are doing well and what ones aren't. Goodby and I hope you all get smacked in the head to knock some sense into you because you're just plain ****ing dumb.
You don't get to call out others for being dumb when you sound like a toothless idiot yourself. Do you not see the irony in this? You"re completely unhinged.
 
oh yeah because Al does so well. How many free throws did he miss? You dumb ****s want to keep blaming certain players because you're so dumb it's pathetic. The lob to Smith was to his right so he tried to one hand it, like no one has ever missed a dunk. The truth is you morons think Morgan played such a great ****ing game and how many easy baskets did he miss. Get your ****ing heads out of your asses and stfu. Indiana basketball may not be where we want it but this message board is so ****ing way worse than that. Get a ****ing clue and stop acting like you know anything about what's going on and what players are doing well and what ones aren't. Goodby and I hope you all get smacked in the head to knock some sense into you because you're just plain ****ing dumb.
You mad, bro?
 
This team will get a huge make over for next season you can mark that down. And JS may well not be in the mix either. Just no BBall IQ at all. If CAM can bring in Watford,Brooks and a couple outside shooters there may very well be only 2 players see much playing time from this year to next.
We need a center. Cannot win without some height.
 
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You don't get to call out others for being dumb when you sound like a toothless idiot yourself. Do you not see the irony in this? You"re completely unhinged.
I can call out who the **** I want idiot when all you dumbasses come on here crying all the time. Fire the coach, this player isn't good and needs to sit, this player just can't shoot, but this player was great even though they missed three or four baskets from less than two feet out. I also think if half you people on here ever played basketball you would understand that there's times when you play against someone who just can't miss, no matter what you do. It's called confidence, you know after you make one, then another, and another, but what does everyone else know when we have the experts who know everything about basketball is on this forum
 
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Can't shoot free throws either.


It's always 1 step up, 1 1/2 steps back.....

Good Smith----12 rebounds

Bad Smith---3/12 from the field, including three straight misses when we had cut the lead to 3 points. The box score I saw didn't list TOs--not sure there. What happened to 'just rebound and play defense'? That had worked pretty well. Maybe he got bored with it.

Morgan, Smith, Langford, and McRoberts were 0-9 on 3s. Iu was 3-17, with RP being 3/7.

Fitzner made a shot, his first in January they said last night---is that right? Improbably, he also has a blocked shot. No rebounds in 6 minutes, but you can't have everything.....
 
It's always 1 step up, 1 1/2 steps back.....

Good Smith----12 rebounds

Bad Smith---3/12 from the field, including three straight misses when we had cut the lead to 3 points. The box score I saw didn't list TOs--not sure there. What happened to 'just rebound and play defense'? That had worked pretty well. Maybe he got bored with it.

Morgan, Smith, Langford, and McRoberts were 0-9 on 3s. Iu was 3-17, with RP being 3/7.

Fitzner made a shot, his first in January they said last night---is that right? Improbably, he also has a blocked shot. No rebounds in 6 minutes, but you can't have everything.....

The team needs a third scorer, and Smith is trying to be that guy. Trouble is he can't shoot jumpers. He doesn't have great touch to begin with, and he's usually drifting. Teams are leaving him open, because they know he can't shoot, but he will keep trying.

Yep, that's right about Fitzner. His block was a gift--helped on some kind of defensive breakdown at the rim and got a guy from behind who didn't know he was there. On the upside, he was hustling to be there.

Anderson was a disaster, both in numbers and the eye-test last night. All we can hope for with him is a Collin Hartman style sophomore breakout. He's unlikely to provide quality minutes this year. Clifton Moore looked semi-competent last night. Forrester didn't.

Imagining how you get these guys motivated. Maybe take that gold practice jersey everyone wants and set that shit on fire. No one gets one until we go through a week with no losses. Heh. Shut down instagram accounts. I dunno.

Morgan's been decent from 3, but didn't seem to look for it much last night, and his defense was sub-par. Phin's decision making on drives was spotty. Plenty of blame to go around.
 
This team will get a huge make over for next season you can mark that down. And JS may well not be in the mix either. Just no BBall IQ at all. If CAM can bring in Watford,Brooks and a couple outside shooters there may very well be only 2 players see much playing time from this year to next.
We would need some current players to transfer if we are adding Watford and shooters. We have two signed and two seniors. Assuming Romeo is leaving, that would be a spot for Brooks. If Green really has transferred, that would allow Watford, or a shooter, but not both. I really don't want any additional transfers. We need players back that know Archie's system. Moore can be a player and I like Forrester around the basket.
 
oh yeah because Al does so well. How many free throws did he miss? You dumb ****s want to keep blaming certain players because you're so dumb it's pathetic. The lob to Smith was to his right so he tried to one hand it, like no one has ever missed a dunk. The truth is you morons think Morgan played such a great ****ing game and how many easy baskets did he miss. Get your ****ing heads out of your asses and stfu. Indiana basketball may not be where we want it but this message board is so ****ing way worse than that. Get a ****ing clue and stop acting like you know anything about what's going on and what players are doing well and what ones aren't. Goodby and I hope you all get smacked in the head to knock some sense into you because you're just plain ****ing dumb.
So this is how Devonte is choosing to say goodbye?
 
The guy just makes killer mistakes, misses easy shots at the rim, commits dumb fouls. Just a real shame he has to play so much.
Smith is going to be in the same position next year as
Green was this year. He has a lot of potential, but the 3rd year needs to show maturity and a better understanding of what is important to be a featured player.

TJD and presumably Brooks can pass Smith the way that RP passed Green in the depth chart. He runs the risk of others passing him up. Smith needs to finish strong this year and continue through the summer and preseason. This is exactly what I said about Green last year. Green was benched at the end of last year and hasn't been consistent this year.

A front line of TJD, Brooks, and Smith playing like an experienced junior would be fun.
 
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The team needs a third scorer, and Smith is trying to be that guy. Trouble is he can't shoot jumpers. He doesn't have great touch to begin with, and he's usually drifting. Teams are leaving him open, because they know he can't shoot, but he will keep trying.

Yep, that's right about Fitzner. His block was a gift--helped on some kind of defensive breakdown at the rim and got a guy from behind who didn't know he was there. On the upside, he was hustling to be there.

Anderson was a disaster, both in numbers and the eye-test last night. All we can hope for with him is a Collin Hartman style sophomore breakout. He's unlikely to provide quality minutes this year. Clifton Moore looked semi-competent last night. Forrester didn't.

Imagining how you get these guys motivated. Maybe take that gold practice jersey everyone wants and set that shit on fire. No one gets one until we go through a week with no losses. Heh. Shut down instagram accounts. I dunno.

Morgan's been decent from 3, but didn't seem to look for it much last night, and his defense was sub-par. Phin's decision making on drives was spotty. Plenty of blame to go around.



I wonder what Smith's basketball ambitions are.

He can be a very effective college player playing D, rebounding, and shooting only 6-8 times per game on open 10 footers, straight line drives to the basket, and put-backs & dunks. As strong and athletic as he is, he could average 12 points and 10 rebs a game just doing that. However, he doesn't appear to be a person who will be satisfied being that guy.

As for Anderson, good lord. I thought going into the year that he might be ineffective because he would be too ready to bomb away, and adverse to playing D. It doesn't appear either of those apply.....it just seems like he has no clue of what he is doing on either end of the basketball court.
 
Smith is going to be in the same position next year as
Green was this year. He has a lot of potential, but the 3rd year needs to show maturity and a better understanding of what is important to be a featured player.

TJD and presumably Brooks can pass Smith the way that RP passed Green in the depth chart. He runs the risk of others passing him up. Smith needs to finish strong this year and continue through the summer and preseason. This is exactly what I said about Green last year. Green was benched at the end of last year and hasn't been consistent this year.

A front line of TJD, Brooks, and Smith playing like an experienced junior would be fun.

If Brooks is another low motor guy he won't do anything until maybe as an upperclassmen...maybe.

Romeo is twice the talent Brooks is but he can't fight through screens on defense, can't get back (unless he's truly the slowest guy on the team) and is too easily bullied on offense.

So I hope Brooks has a fire in him. I don't know if he does or not.
 
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If Brooks is another low motor guy he won't do anything until maybe as an upperclassmen...maybe.

Romeo is twice the talent Brooks is but he can't fight through screens on defense, can't get back (unless he's truly the slowest guy on the team) and is too easily bullied on offense.

So I hope Brooks has a fire in him. I don't know if he does or not.
Brooks has fire in him. He has never played better all-around than in his Senior season at LaLu. Brooks would really help IU.
 
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It's a real shame Justin Smith doesn't know how to play basketball
I want to know how doesn't he know how to play basketball. He rebounds, makes baskets and plays defense. He needs to be stronger with the ball and learn to shot fake players and get them in the air before going up. The defense isn't always his fault because if other players would learn to stop letting players drive by them forcing help to come and leave their man open, or learn to deny players the ball better down in the post it wouldn't force others to crash down and help leaving open three's.
 
It's always 1 step up, 1 1/2 steps back.....

Good Smith----12 rebounds

Bad Smith---3/12 from the field, including three straight misses when we had cut the lead to 3 points. The box score I saw didn't list TOs--not sure there. What happened to 'just rebound and play defense'? That had worked pretty well. Maybe he got bored with it.

Morgan, Smith, Langford, and McRoberts were 0-9 on 3s. Iu was 3-17, with RP being 3/7.

Fitzner made a shot, his first in January they said last night---is that right? Improbably, he also has a blocked shot. No rebounds in 6 minutes, but you can't have everything.....
yes Fitzner has gone 6-7 games without scoring a single point.
 
I wonder what Smith's basketball ambitions are.

He can be a very effective college player playing D, rebounding, and shooting only 6-8 times per game on open 10 footers, straight line drives to the basket, and put-backs & dunks. As strong and athletic as he is, he could average 12 points and 10 rebs a game just doing that. However, he doesn't appear to be a person who will be satisfied being that guy.

As for Anderson, good lord. I thought going into the year that he might be ineffective because he would be too ready to bomb away, and adverse to playing D. It doesn't appear either of those apply.....it just seems like he has no clue of what he is doing on either end of the basketball court.

Yeah, he's kinda similar to Hanner. Very athletic, doesn't seem to be developing any basketball skills. People have learned to shoot in college before, but he's not there yet.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like the game has slowed down for Anderson. But...Hartman was lost his freshman year too, and eventually became a rotation guy. Anderson won't play if we are even remotely healthy this year.
 
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I want to know how doesn't he know how to play basketball. He rebounds, makes baskets and plays defense. He needs to be stronger with the ball and learn to shot fake players and get them in the air before going up. The defense isn't always his fault because if other players would learn to stop letting players drive by them forcin
g help to come and leave their man open, or learn to deny players the ball better down in the post it wouldn't force others to crash down and help leaving open three's.

He isn't a good shooter, passer, or dribbler. His effort varies between tolerable (last night) and not tolerable (Nebraska). He over-helps sometimes. He is most efficient as a slasher/dunker in the Troy Williams model, but he turns it over too much to be a routine on-ball guy. You can't put him in a pick and roll because he can't shoot or dribble much. You can't let him set picks in the pick and roll because Morgan is better at rolling, catching, and shooting. His offensive utility is offensive rebounding (which Archie doesn't emphasize), and dunking. When he plays hard, he's a role player on a good team. When he doesn't play hard, you don't want him out there. We don't have better options, so there's not much to push him. That might change if Race Thompson gets his feet under him. He's cleared to practice.
 
The thing that he does virtually 100% of the time is just stand by (or in) the lane which brings his man with him. That means Morgan has to elude 2 defenders every single time he tries to maneuver around the basket. All of RP's, RL's and AD's problems when driving were from Smith's man just standing there waiting for them. As awful as this offense is, it would be much better if he'd just go out to half court and stand there - assuming his man would be dumb enough to go with him.
 
The team needs a third scorer, and Smith is trying to be that guy. Trouble is he can't shoot jumpers. He doesn't have great touch to begin with, and he's usually drifting. Teams are leaving him open, because they know he can't shoot, but he will keep trying.

Yep, that's right about Fitzner. His block was a gift--helped on some kind of defensive breakdown at the rim and got a guy from behind who didn't know he was there. On the upside, he was hustling to be there.

Anderson was a disaster, both in numbers and the eye-test last night. All we can hope for with him is a Collin Hartman style sophomore breakout. He's unlikely to provide quality minutes this year. Clifton Moore looked semi-competent last night. Forrester didn't.

Imagining how you get these guys motivated. Maybe take that gold practice jersey everyone wants and set that shit on fire. No one gets one until we go through a week with no losses. Heh. Shut down instagram accounts. I dunno.

Morgan's been decent from 3, but didn't seem to look for it much last night, and his defense was sub-par. Phin's decision making on drives was spotty. Plenty of blame to go around.
The problem is the way he shoots the basketball. I want to know who taught him to shoot like that.
The thing that he does virtually 100% of the time is just stand by (or in) the lane which brings his man with him. That means Morgan has to elude 2 defenders every single time he tries to maneuver around the basket. All of RP's, RL's and AD's problems when driving were from Smith's man just standing there waiting for them. As awful as this offense is, it would be much better if he'd just go out to half court and stand there - assuming his man would be dumb enough to go with him.
another stupid post because Smith cuts down the lane to get a pass. It's not his fault people don't want to feed him the ball. One of the big problems with this team is no one wants to cut to the basket and when they do the ball never gets to them or is always late. I also see alot of standing around on offense as if they're waiting for someone else to do something. The biggest problem I see with this team is the fact they don't shoot well from outside so no one really defends them out there, which causes a packed lane.
 
He isn't a good shooter, passer, or dribbler. His effort varies between tolerable (last night) and not tolerable (Nebraska). He over-helps sometimes. He is most efficient as a slasher/dunker in the Troy Williams model, but he turns it over too much to be a routine on-ball guy. You can't put him in a pick and roll because he can't shoot or dribble much. You can't let him set picks in the pick and roll because Morgan is better at rolling, catching, and shooting. His offensive utility is offensive rebounding (which Archie doesn't emphasize), and dunking. When he plays hard, he's a role player on a good team. When he doesn't play hard, you don't want him out there. We don't have better options, so there's not much to push him. That might change if Race Thompson gets his feet under him. He's cleared to practice.
Thats funny because this board lives on the this player might be better dream. The truth is you morons want to cry and blame a few people for others problems. I guess Smith is the reason Morgan missed so many easy baskets this year. The truth is this board doesn't no shit and acts like they do. I say this, shut the hell up and watch the games or don't watch them but stop blaming certain people for every loss they have. I also know if Morgan is so good as people want to believe then why doesn't he demand the ball more like a leader should do such as Edwards from Purdue.
 
He isn't a good shooter, passer, or dribbler. His effort varies between tolerable (last night) and not tolerable (Nebraska). He over-helps sometimes. He is most efficient as a slasher/dunker in the Troy Williams model, but he turns it over too much to be a routine on-ball guy. You can't put him in a pick and roll because he can't shoot or dribble much. You can't let him set picks in the pick and roll because Morgan is better at rolling, catching, and shooting. His offensive utility is offensive rebounding (which Archie doesn't emphasize), and dunking. When he plays hard, he's a role player on a good team. When he doesn't play hard, you don't want him out there. We don't have better options, so there's not much to push him. That might change if Race Thompson gets his feet under him. He's cleared to practice.
Yeah and if he doesn't over-help then people on here will say he doesn't help on defense. It's all about the loud mouth little crybabies on here.
 
It's always 1 step up, 1 1/2 steps back.....

Good Smith----12 rebounds

Bad Smith---3/12 from the field, including three straight misses when we had cut the lead to 3 points. The box score I saw didn't list TOs--not sure there. What happened to 'just rebound and play defense'? That had worked pretty well. Maybe he got bored with it.

Morgan, Smith, Langford, and McRoberts were 0-9 on 3s. Iu was 3-17, with RP being 3/7.

Fitzner made a shot, his first in January they said last night---is that right? Improbably, he also has a blocked shot. No rebounds in 6 minutes, but you can't have everything.....
Fitzner's shot was actually a good one. They should have gone to him again down low and when NU had to double team he could pass out to an open shooter, hopefully one who can make it.
 
Fitzner's shot was actually a good one. They should have gone to him again down low and when NU had to double team he could pass out to an open shooter, hopefully one who can make it.
Fitzner should be playing D-2 basketball
 
I’d like to see Smith with good coaches. I think he could thrive in the right system.
 
Thats funny because this board lives on the this player might be better dream. The truth is you morons want to cry and blame a few people for others problems. I guess Smith is the reason Morgan missed so many easy baskets this year. The truth is this board doesn't no shit and acts like they do. I say this, shut the hell up and watch the games or don't watch them but stop blaming certain people for every loss they have. I also know if Morgan is so good as people want to believe then why doesn't he demand the ball more like a leader should do such as Edwards from Purdue.

What is this "you morons" shit? I just said that there's a lot of blame to go around. Morgan's defense against Northwestern and Purdue was lackluster. Phin's decision making against NW was lacking. But...

Morgan's shooting percentages: .611/.391/.587

Smith's shooting percentages: .553/.273/.587

What's more, Morgan's percentages have improved every year. Smith's are worse this year.

And unlike some other folks, I haven't called for more Anderson or Moore. They couldn't defend at all, although Moore seems to be making strides. Smith defends well when engaged.

Passing? Smith's assist percentage is 5.3 Morgan's is 17.9.

Turnovers? Smith's TO% is 21.6, and is actually worse than last year. Morgan's is 14.9%

Morgan already leads the team in shots taken in conference games. What do you want him to do, grab the ball out of the net after a make and try to put it in again? Your puzzling defense of Justin Smith alone, at the detriment of the other players is peculiar.
 
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