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It’s indictment time again….

Which statute specifically? Fraud necessitates swindling the government out of money or property, Trump attempted to do neither.

Even is Smith could somehow prove that Trump KNEW that the election the election was not, in fact, stolen from him (I’m dubious), Trump is within his rights to hyperbolize and attempt to influence legislatures.
You’re speaking in generalities. Read the indictment then what the gov cites in the counts.
 
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So f*cking stupid. Was Schiff planning to install himself as president? You don't even know what "coup" means.

Tell you what. Schiff won't be anywhere near the DC federal courthouse when it's show time next year. Neither will Nancy Pelosi. Or Adam Kinzinger, or Liz Cheney or any of the other current or former members of Congress you hate. You know who will be there, though? Trump's legal team, on bended knee, begging Smith for a deal that keeps their client-from-hell out of jail. If Trump refuses to accept a plea deal (and he's so stupid he will probably nix it), do you know who we'll see next? A parade of trial witnesses, almost all of them Republicans, who will take your boy down.

You know what you should do? You should read the indictment, but you don't have the balls because it would force you to face the reality that the man you worship is an anti-American, anti-democratic piece of trash.
Reading isn’t a universal skill- that much is known
 
Which statute specifically? Fraud necessitates swindling the government out of money or property, Trump attempted to do neither.

Even is Smith could somehow prove that Trump KNEW that the election the election was not, in fact, stolen from him (I’m dubious), Trump is within his rights to hyperbolize and attempt to influence legislatures.
You think Trump is dumb enough to believe the election was stolen from him? Serious question.
 
Again so what if there is a double standard. Two things can be true. There is a double standard AND trump obstructed justice. Absconded with classified documents. Perpetrated a fraud with 32 frivolous lawsuits. On and on. Those actions (not thoughtcrime or whatever silliness) are actions. Criminal actions related to trump. There’s no defense “well other people do bad stuff too). If DANC robs a bank and gets caught and Joe doesn’t that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be prosecuted. This is basic stuff
In about the 6th episode of the highly acclaimed docuseries on the WC Dream Team, they will cover this low point of team--when the captain and coach finally got into it, wrecking the team's morale right before the Big Game. It'll be a highly anticipated, if sad episode of TV.
 
I think the number is south of 15%. I know no one who voted for Trump in 16 and 20 that will vote for him in 24 primaries. BUT every one of them think democrats are using the legal system against him while allowing the Bidens to skate.
I think you're wrong on this. They won't ADMIT to voting for him in 24. They know he's corrupt but they will still support him. They just won't wear the hat...maybe.
 
In about the 6th episode of the highly acclaimed docuseries on the WC Dream Team, they will cover this low point of team--when the captain and coach finally got into it, wrecking the team's morale right before the Big Game. It'll be a highly anticipated, if sad episode of TV.
I encourage my players to voice their views. One more reason we’re great!!!
 
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They also have the right to tell some creepy adult teacher trying to confuse their kid about their gender at age six to F off.

I’m sure your view from Carmel is just swell. Come to downtown Chicago where the rubber meets the road. Experience and perspective is everything. People like you and Zeke like to lob your wannabe insight from the Indiana backwoods. Long story short, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

I would never be on the board of an HOA in a million years FWIW.
I know several people who teach in downtown Chicago. What about it? You see teachers all the time trying to confuse children about their sender, do you? I think you might be the one who has no idea what you are talking about. You see one or two extreme stories and then run with it….
 
I think the number is south of 15%. I know no one who voted for Trump in 16 and 20 that will vote for him in 24 primaries. BUT every one of them think democrats are using the legal system against him while allowing the Bidens to skate.
If they voted for Trump in 20, they'll vote for him in 24.
 
I know several people who teach in downtown Chicago. What about it? You see teachers all the time trying to confuse children about their sender, do you? I think you might be the one who has no idea what you are talking about. You see one or two extreme stories and then run with it….
I want to get to the point that his child attends a CPL. Not a charter or private school, but a CPL. Where the rubber meets the road, thus forming his experience and perspective.
 
He can't disrupt the functioning of government. I think that's one of the underlying claims, and he tried to do that by organizing fake electors?

The beginning of the charging doc admits that Trump could lie about the election results.

Here's a summary of the charges Trump is facing in Washington, D.C., for attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election:

  • one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.
  • one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.
  • one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.
  • one count of conspiracy against rights refers to Trump and his co-conspirators alleged attempts to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" people in their right to vote in an election.
The full indictment is attached in this piece:

My understanding is that corruption needs to be proven to establish the obstruction charges. Corruption as we’ve known it all our lives should touch on clearly criminal conduct.

What is the clear criminal conduct? Anyone?
 
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Which statute specifically? Fraud necessitates swindling the government out of money or property, Trump attempted to do neither.

Even is Smith could somehow prove that Trump KNEW that the election the election was not, in fact, stolen from him (I’m dubious), Trump is within his rights to hyperbolize and attempt to influence legislatures.
Read the indictment, Einstein.
 
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My understanding is the corruption needs to be proven to establish the obstruction charges. Corruption as we’ve known it all our lives should touch on clearly criminal conduct.

What is the clear criminal conduct? Anyone?
Read the indictment, genius.
 
You think Trump is dumb enough to believe the election was stolen from him? Serious question.
It's not what you believe, it's what you can prove.

Counter-question: Do you think Trump is smart enough (or con-man enough) to make a jury believe that he believes the election was stolen from him?
 
If you are talking about me, I was off the train before the first indictment even came out. Honestly all of that stuff is secondary to me. I don't think he can get anything done which is the entire point of politics.

All of this indictment stuff is just red meat for the people who flat out hate him. And I expect it will have repercussions down the line. That said, I had said he wasn't my preference months ago. I want to have someone that represents my ideas win and then have a chance to be effective after winning. I don't think he is the best person to do either.
You're absolutely right to say, "I don't think he can get anything done which is the entire point of politics."

Trump campaigned in 2016 on numerous promises to "repeal and replace Obamacare." Trump's only effort to do so was the American Health Care Act of 2017, which was defeated in the Senate on July 27, 2017 by a 51-to-49 vote (with John McCain famously voting no).

However, Republicans still controlled the House and Senate as well as the White House for at least another 1 1/2 years (until after the next midterm). All Trump had to do was amend the first version of the AHCA and cut a political deal with two Senators and resubmit it. But Trump didn't even try. Some bigshot deal maker.
 
The ACA did really nothing to change the trajectory of health insurance costs.

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It increased coverage based upon govt subsidizing premiums (reduced uninsured from about 15% to 8%). But has had limited success reducing costs.

But didn't the ACA get gutted after Obama?
 
You're absolutely right to say, "I don't think he can get anything done which is the entire point of politics."

Trump campaigned in 2016 on numerous promises to "repeal and replace Obamacare." Trump's only effort to do so was the American Health Care Act of 2017, which was defeated in the Senate on July 27, 2017 by a 51-to-49 vote (with John McCain famously voting no).

However, Republicans still controlled the House and Senate as well as the White House for at least another 1 1/2 years (until after the next midterm). All Trump had to do was amend the first version of the AHCA and cut a political deal with two Senators and resubmit it. But Trump didn't even try. Some bigshot deal maker.
I don't think he got a fair shake from everyone on some of that. However, at a certain point politics has a bit of personality in play. I think he would have an issue wrangling his own party, let alone the other. He wasn't capable of managing the Executive bureaus when he was in charge either. So to me it just comes down to what Winsome Sears said about politics. It isn't about the people, it is the ideas and how best to advance them.
 
I doubt teachers are trying to confuse any child about their gender, but you're free to move your child out of an environment you don't deem suitable.

See...parental rights. That's how that works.
“You don’t like what’s going on at your kids school, send them to Park Tudor for 50K a year you dummy”. Or whatever it currently costs.

The most Carmel shit ever LMAO.
 
I know several people who teach in downtown Chicago. What about it? You see teachers all the time trying to confuse children about their sender, do you? I think you might be the one who has no idea what you are talking about. You see one or two extreme stories and then run with it….
Where do they teach? CPS?
 
Pure nonsense. There should have been an absolute red wave. The trump crowd In politics are as dumb as the far left crowd. Everything else you write is a mixture of wrong and delusional but assuming arguendo that you’re right why on earth would you want a guy who just loses that much? The Dems just beat him at every turn. In elections. In court. He just can’t stop losing. Why not find a winner? I dislike Biden as much as trump. Kick the loser trump out and back a guy who can win
The "Trump crowd in politics" is just one guy making all the decisions.
 
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It's not what you believe, it's what you can prove.

Counter-question: Do you think Trump is smart enough (or con-man enough) to make a jury believe that he believes the election was stolen from him?
Has Trump admitted his claims were wrong?
Did he make claims he knew were wrong? Publicly?
 
It is basic stuff - when crimes aren't prosecuted, it promotes more crime. We're seeing that in action.

You can't have a double standard of justice and expect to continue at as Constitutiona Republic.
This post explains why it was necessary to prosecute Trump. Nice job of expressing.
 
I have. Answer the question.
You haven't read it, or the referenced statutes, or you wouldn't be posting this drivel.

Are you so stupidly naive that you believe Jack Smith, in perhaps the most significant criminal case of our lifetime, charged Trump with a crime that doesn't apply to the underlying facts?

You're out of your depth here.
 
My understanding is that corruption needs to be proven to establish the obstruction charges. Corruption as we’ve known it all our lives should touch on clearly criminal conduct.

What is the clear criminal conduct? Anyone?
Ask Trump. He knows all about it.
 
You haven't read it, or the referenced statutes, or you wouldn't be posting this drivel.

Are you so stupidly naive that you believe Jack Smith, in perhaps the most significant criminal case of our lifetime, charged Trump with a crime that doesn't apply to the underlying facts?

You're out of your depth here.
Noted that you can’t answer the question. Step aside.

Anyone else want to take a stab at defending the obstruction charges?
 
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It's not what you believe, it's what you can prove.

Counter-question: Do you think Trump is smart enough (or con-man enough) to make a jury believe that he believes the election was stolen from him?
Read the indictment. Virtually all his top advisers (with the exception, perhaps, of Rudy, Sidney and Eastman - - a/k/a The Three Stooges) told him there was no outcome-determinative fraud in the election. The same people told him he lost. Alyssa Farah and Cassidy Hutchinson have already testified that Trump acknowledged he lost. He also acknowledged he lost in a conversation with General Milley in early January 2021. There are almost certainly other witnesses as well (probably including Pence and Mark Meadows) who we haven't heard from yet who will testify he knew he lost. So a defense that he really, truly, honestly, swear-to-God believed he won is a loser defense.
 
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Noted that you can’t answer the question. Step aside.

Anyone else want to take a stab at defending the obstruction charges?
Lol. It's much easier to prosecute the obstruction charge.

You're out of your depth here.
 
It's not what you believe, it's what you can prove.

Counter-question: Do you think Trump is smart enough (or con-man enough) to make a jury believe that he believes the election was stolen from him?
Answer to question is no.
 
It's not what you believe, it's what you can prove.

Counter-question: Do you think Trump is smart enough (or con-man enough) to make a jury believe that he believes the election was stolen from him?
To a DC jury? Hell no.
 
Even if Smith could somehow prove that Trump KNEW that the election the election was not, in fact, stolen from him (I’m dubious), Trump is within his rights to hyperbolize and attempt to influence legislatures.
This comment is proof that you didn't read the indictment. The issue is addressed early on.

Stop wasting everyone's time with your shitposting.
 
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I want to get to the point that his child attends a CPL. Not a charter or private school, but a CPL. Where the rubber meets the road, thus forming his experience and perspective.
What is a CPL?
 
Noted that you can’t answer the question. Step aside.

Anyone else want to take a stab at defending the obstruction charges?
To be fair, it's a dumb question. So maybe don't jump on people for not being able to answer it.

That said come back in a few hours after my work day is done and I'll give you the correct answer.
 
A few do. They got special grants, training and salary to do so, right after college.
Old girlfriend of mine did that after graduation for the money from Bloomington to CPS and lasted two years before moving back. Couldn’t hack it, constant chaos.

The CPS teachers union is full of idiots. I have some sympathy because the entire system is broken beyond recognition. It attracts 1. Young teachers for a short time. 2. Mostly shitty teachers who can’t get other jobs.

Side note: Almost every K-8 school in Old Town and Lincoln Park is draped in rainbow flags/signage. That will never be normal to me. Sorry. Colleges, stores, anything adult related, can do whatever they want as the market will eventually dictate the decision. Kids, leave them the F alone on this and all other adult topics.
 
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