Don’t know for sure, but Hamas sets up command posts and weapons caches in hospitals and schools. You think they wouldn’t use that road too? Of course they would. They wouldn’t hesitate from stealing an ambulance or other aid vehicle and driving it down a road.
I didn’t defend anything, but your assessments of the actions & motives leave me wanting a second opinion…🙂
If Israel declares a place safe then bombs it anyway, you can't really explain that away.
They undoubtedly patrol it with drones. Don’t tell me you’re buying the incredibly illogical idea that the IDF deliberately targeted these people. There is nothing to gain from it. This is the stuff of nonsensical conspiracy theories. Not you too!??
No, targeting them does not make sense. But when you declare an area safe for aid workers, and then bomb that area, that's not much better than targeting aid workers.
Were the vehicles clearly marked?
It makes it an unintentional event. No way in hell it was deliberate because they gain nothing from it.
Mas, are you suffering from dementia? You are the most illogical conspiracy theory loving person on the board now that IGW has left. Israel gains NOTHING from deliberately destroying those vehicles. Someone screwed up in the fog of war, but they didn't deliberately destroy them. THINK!
What I'm saying is, if Israel themselves did in fact declare this area safe, then bombing it was out of bounds, no matter whom they thought they were targeting.
Answer the questions then company man.
They didn’t say it was out of bounds. If they see a Hamas convoy on it they could and would attack it.
I’m sorry. I can’t take you seriously. You’re not rational or logical. Your past strongly suggests you’re anti-Semitic so maybe that’s what is making you stupid on this.
Haaretz is reporting that the aid organization coordinated with the IDF, but they were attacked anyway on the orders of a field commander who apparently acted in direct violation of orders from above. Includes sources suggesting lack of command discipline is endemic on the ground in Gaza.
Well hell, I agree it’s a bad look, which is why there is no way in hell this was deliberate targeting of those vehicles. Someone screwed up in the fog of war. We don’t know what exactly happened yet, but it wasn’t deliberate.
I think you're being way too quick to dismiss that. The reporting sounds like it's very plausible that the attack was in fact deliberately ordered by a commander who knew exactly what he was firing at. Someone going rogue, in a sense.
If someone went rogue that’s one thing, but is it because the person is crazy? No sane commander would have ordered it. I’m doubting that story. Early reporting is almost always wrong.
I'm not talking about blame. I'm simply pushing back against the quick acceptance of the "tragic mistake" narrative. Maybe it was just a tragic mistake. Or maybe Haaretz's sources are telling the truth, and it's the result of a failed command structure and ground commanders who ignore orders.
WTF?
Explain what the IDF and Israel gained from destroying those vehicles or shut up. If God gave you the brain you currently have you shouldn’t be especially thankful for it.
Even if some people went rogue, I’m not going to condemn the IDF.
That stuff is worrisome. Echelon has been around for decades. Its capabilities have only become more powerful since the dust up about electronic surveillance of a few years ago. Data accumulation, management, and use is becoming more elaborate by the day. There are many scattered and unconfirmed reports about how big tech is wedded to government and how big tech influences, say, elections. The DOJ is not very secretive about how it uses sophisticated data accumulation to root out “violent right wing extremism” and how it used this capability to find who did what on J6.More on the current topic. Read this article without preconception. Although they don't use the term, the acts being described sound very much like war crimes.
‘The machine did it coldly’: Israel used AI to identify 37,000 Hamas targets
Israeli intelligence sources reveal use of ‘Lavender’ system in Gaza war and claim permission given to kill civilians in pursuit of low-ranking militantswww.theguardian.com
Existential wars tend to look ugly. I am worried about AI and its encroachment on our lives in general, but aside from that, this is war. This is particularly the case when the enemy is basically a militant who uses the veneer of "civilian" as a shield.More on the current topic. Read this article without preconception. Although they don't use the term, the acts being described sound very much like war crimes.
‘The machine did it coldly’: Israel used AI to identify 37,000 Hamas targets
Israeli intelligence sources reveal use of ‘Lavender’ system in Gaza war and claim permission given to kill civilians in pursuit of low-ranking militants
Once we found out that UN aid workers actively participated in the October. 7 atrocities, and the phony 500 people died in a hospital story, I frankly don’t believe much of anything about what is happening inside Gaza.
do you believe Khamenei when he said he wants wants to replace the Israeli government with an Islamic State?
Can you blame Israelis for thinking of every war as an existential one, given their history?
No, it's entirely understandable that they feel that way. But in any Arab-Israeli war at this point in time, the only countries facing an existential threat will be Arab ones.
Biden just Gave Israel the Trump treatment.
