Is the destruction of critical infrastructure

[hoot1]

Mankind has naively attempted to make war civilized and humane with The Hague Conventions adopted in 1899 and 1907, the Geneva Convention of 1864, subsequent Geneva Conventions ( notably the four 1949 Geneva Conventions and the two 1977 Additional Protocols).

Unfortunately as the Kumbaya crowd was making war crime rules the development of weaponry to fight the next war under the guise of national defense continued to make the conduct of war more devastating to non combatants.

Looking ahead the new weapons appear to have more of a destructive focus on civilians and infrastructure than battlefields involving combatants. For example future combat will include both the cyber and space domains along with biological warfare.. By harnessing advanced technologies and looking for ways to reduce the burden on combatants, armed forces are preparing themselves for tomorrow’s wars at the expense of ordinary citizens .

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

You posted 300-700k
Trumps....you are 8^...

Is Trump paying rent or living
free in your head?

You posted that Russia was going to attack Ukraine with 300K to 700K troops this winter. I asked for a link.

I don’t know how Trump has anything to do with your post or mine. Neither of us mentioned him.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Mankind has naively attempted to make war civilized and humane with The Hague Conventions adopted in 1899 and 1907, the Geneva Convention of 1864, subsequent Geneva Conventions ( notably the four 1949 Geneva Conventions and the two 1977 Additional Protocols).

Unfortunately as the Kumbaya crowd was making war crime rules the development of weaponry to fight the next war under the guise of national defense continued to make the conduct of war more devastating to non combatants.

Looking ahead the new weapons appear to have more of a destructive focus on civilians and infrastructure than battlefields involving combatants. For example future combat will include both the cyber and space domains along with biological warfare.. By harnessing advanced technologies and looking for ways to reduce the burden on combatants, armed forces are preparing themselves for tomorrow’s wars at the expense of ordinary citizens .

Human beings pick the targets. Actually with precision munitions, there should be less collateral damage. The Ukraine civilian suffering is a deliberate act resulting from depravity and opportunity.

 

[Morrison]

You posted that Russia was going to attack Ukraine with 300K to 700K troops this winter. I asked for a link.

I don’t know how Trump has anything to do with your post or mine. Neither of us mentioned him.

In post #37, it appears that autocorrect used “Trump” instead of “troops”, as you intended. You may want to edit that or he’ll use that technicality against you.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

In post #37, it appears that autocorrect used “Trump” instead of “troops”, as you intended. You may want to edit that or he’ll use that technicality against you.

I hate autocorrect.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I hate autocorrect.

🤣

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

the 21st century’s first genocide.

Huh?

 

[Rockport Zebra]

War is the price people pay for poor political decisions.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

War is the price people pay for poor political decisions.

War is the failure of politics.

 

[DrHoops]

..in Ukraine by Russia a war crime?

Instead of badgering anyone who has replied to your OP, why don't you opine?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Instead of badgering anyone who has replied to your OP, why don't you opine?

The point is, since you are oblivious, that western media are smearing Russia over acts the west (US) has practiced for 150 years.
The NPCs who infest this board won't touch this issue because they are completely sold out to the narrative.
Suit you?

 

[IUCrazy2]

The point is, since you are oblivious, that western media are smearing Russia over acts the west (US) has practiced for 150 years.
The NPCs who infest this board won't touch this issue because they are completely sold out to the narrative.
Suit you?

I don't think it is a war crime and I also don't think that I have to feel any sorts of dissonance, cognitive or otherwise, in believing that the Russians are in the wrong. I have no qualms about picking sides.

Far too many people on the right (even though it is a smaller percentage of the whole) are making the Russians, Putin in particular, into some tragic hero because he has some of the right enemies. The enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend. I am not a fan of the current brand of Western globalism, that doesn't mean I should be rooting for Xi or Putin because they happen to oppose it as well. Turns out their view of the world order is worse.

I wish nothing but disaster for the Russian Army and People in this Ukrainian endeavor and I hope Putin fails so terribly that his own oligarchs have him Ceausescu'd.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

The point is, since you are oblivious, that western media are smearing Russia over acts the west (US) has practiced for 150 years.
The NPCs who infest this board won't touch this issue because they are completely sold out to the narrative.
Suit you?

The US tries hard to avoid collateral damage to civilian infrastructure and to avoid civilian deaths. We do not deliberately target and attack civilians or civilian infrastructure. Russia is deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and killing significant numbers of civilians. We’re not at all like the Russians in this regard. Your comparison is ridiculous.

 

[Lucy01]

The US tries hard to avoid collateral damage to civilian infrastructure and to avoid civilian deaths. We do not deliberately target and attack civilians or civilian infrastructure. Russia is deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and killing significant numbers of civilians. We’re not at all like the Russians in this regard. Your comparison is ridiculous.

Why don’t you follow your buddy Mr Bing and leave!

 

[UncleMark]

The US tries hard to avoid collateral damage to civilian infrastructure and to avoid civilian deaths. We do not deliberately target and attack civilians or civilian infrastructure.

Of course that would be our doctrine. But what happens when it butts up against tactical considerations? If a bridge allows for the transport of food and heating oil and the transport of troops and munitions, I'm not liking the bridge's chances.

Russia is deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and killing significant numbers of civilians. We’re not at all like the Russians in this regard. Your comparison is ridiculous.

No, there's no comparison. But the whole discussion around "war crimes" is absurdist in the extreme.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Of course that would be our doctrine. But what happens when it butts up against tactical considerations? If a bridge allows for the transport of food and heating oil and the transport of troops and munitions, I'm not liking the bridge's chances.



No, there's no comparison. But the whole discussion around "war crimes" is absurdist in the extreme.

We didn’t do it in Iraq or Afghanistan.

 

[Rockport Zebra]

W didn’t do it in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Sherman asks, why didn't we?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

The US tries hard to avoid collateral damage to civilian infrastructure and to avoid civilian deaths. We do not deliberately target and attack civilians or civilian infrastructure. Russia is deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and killing significant numbers of civilians. We’re not at all like the Russians in this regard. Your comparison is ridiculous.

Iraq; cruise missile attack on Baghdad civilian infrastructure.

Libya; destruction of water distribution depriving
civilians of water, in the desert.

Syria, Lebanon,

Of course that would be our doctrine. But what happens when it butts up against tactical considerations? If a bridge allows for the transport of food and heating oil and the transport of troops and munitions, I'm not liking the bridge's chances.



No, there's no comparison. But the whole discussion around "war crimes" is absurdist in the extreme.

Old technique of trivializing and dodging the question.

Any room for books in your 14x60? Try 'House of War' by James Carroll.

 

[MrBing]

Why don’t you follow your buddy Mr Bing and leave!

I didn't leave but I'm not here very often because I'm busy.

 

[Lucy01]

I didn't leave but I'm not here very often because I'm busy.

That’s good, people with idle time get in trouble.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Does it matter? It’s already known and documented that Russia committed heinous acts and mass murders of civilians.

Why would it not matter?
You support revenge murder?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Baghdad Bob.

Responses like these illustrate your lack of respect for this board and it's posters.
To think that Coyle would need to discount his product by 78% to stay solvent is sad.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

If that turns out to be the truth, then the entire news reported from most of the west is propaganda and I will have been dupped.

You, like most Americans, have been duped for decades. I know you dedicated 20 years of your life to serving this nation. I feel you have been exploited and lied to the entire time. The 'military-industrial-congressional-academic-labor' cabal of which Eisenhower warned us has now been joined by tech and pharma.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Why would it not matter?
You support revenge murder?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Mankind has naively attempted to make war civilized and humane with The Hague Conventions adopted in 1899 and 1907, the Geneva Convention of 1864, subsequent Geneva Conventions ( notably the four 1949 Geneva Conventions and the two 1977 Additional Protocols).

Unfortunately as the Kumbaya crowd was making war crime rules the development of weaponry to fight the next war under the guise of national defense continued to make the conduct of war more devastating to non combatants.

Looking ahead the new weapons appear to have more of a destructive focus on civilians and infrastructure than battlefields involving combatants. For example future combat will include both the cyber and space domains along with biological warfare.. By harnessing advanced technologies and looking for ways to reduce the burden on combatants, armed forces are preparing themselves for tomorrow’s wars at the expense of ordinary citizens .

One should look back at the US military conduct in WW2 and the aftermath to clarify this point.
Dresden was brutally destroyed in revenge.
Kurt Vonnegut, a POW in Dresden writes about his experiences. David Irving's 1962 book 'The Destruction of Dresden', described it as 'the biggest single massacre in the history of Europe'.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Looks like your squeeze could use some dental work.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Iraq; cruise missile attack on Baghdad civilian infrastructure.

Libya; destruction of water distribution depriving
civilians of water, in the desert.

Syria, Lebanon,

Old technique of trivializing and dodging the question.

Any room for books in your 14x60? Try 'House of War' by James Carroll.

No. The cruise missiles took out anti-air defense systems and command and control facilities in and around Baghdad. We did not target civilian infrastructure. I don’t know where you get your information, but you need to find mote accurate sources.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

No. The cruise missiles took out anti-air defense systems and command and control facilities in and around Baghdad. We did not target civilian infrastructure. I don’t know where you get your information, but you need to find mote accurate sources.

I have an idea

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

No. The cruise missiles took out anti-air defense systems and command and control facilities in and around Baghdad. We did not target civilian infrastructure. I don’t know where you get your information, but you need to find mote accurate sources.

So when I sat there and watch the rampant destruction rain down cruise missiles relentlessly on metropolitan Baghdad...
I shouldn't believe my eyes?

 

[UncleMark]

So when I sat there and watch the rampant destruction rain down cruise missiles relentlessly on metropolitan Baghdad...
I shouldn't believe my eyes?

Shock and Awe!

 

[DrHoops]

The point is, since you are oblivious, that western media are smearing Russia over acts the west (US) has practiced for 150 years.
The NPCs who infest this board won't touch this issue because they are completely sold out to the narrative.
Suit you?

War crimes aren't mutually exclusive, nor are Americans the arbiter of what is or isn't one. You are contradicting yourself; you know that right? You disagree with America's war crimes over the past 150 year and you excuse Russia in their tragic invasion of Ukraine? Where are your morals?

My Lai Massacre: Vietnam War & Colin Powell ‑ HISTORY

The My Lai massacre was an attack on the Vietnamese village of My Lai during the Vietnam War, when hundreds of civilians were raped and murdered by U.S. troops.

www.history.com

Why do you support a bizarre, unnecessary, and foolish invasion of Ukraine? WTF is wrong with you? If you love Putin and their system of government so much, move to Russia. They would love to have you!

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

No. The cruise missiles took out anti-air defense systems and command and control facilities in and around Baghdad. We did not target civilian infrastructure. I don’t know where you get your information, but you need to find mote accurate sources.

AOAV.com.uk

6,700 civilian casualties estimated ....

 

[DrHoops]

No. The cruise missiles took out anti-air defense systems and command and control facilities in and around Baghdad. We did not target civilian infrastructure. I don’t know where you get your information, but you need to find mote accurate sources.

His sources are 4Chan, Facebook, and Stormfront.

 

[DrHoops]

You, like most Americans, have been duped for decades. I know you dedicated 20 years of your life to serving this nation. I feel you have been exploited and lied to the entire time. The 'military-industrial-congressional-academic-labor' cabal of which Eisenhower warned us has now been joined by tech and pharma.

Yes, if we only followed YOUR news sources, we would know that Joe Biden is a robot (or a reptilian?), JFK Jr. is coming back to life, Donald Trump is still really the POTUS, we're being microchipped by COVID vaccines, global elites (aka Jews) are controlling the media and the world economy, we're living in a simulation, there is a global network of Satanic child rituals, 2020 election was "rigged" and had massive voter fraud, Keith Richards is JFK (yes, this is a real conspiracy theory),

We're all DUPED!!!! You and your band of lunatics have it all figured out.

Take your meds.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

The US tries hard to avoid collateral damage to civilian infrastructure and to avoid civilian deaths. We do not deliberately target and attack civilians or civilian infrastructure. Russia is deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure and killing significant numbers of civilians. We’re not at all like the Russians in this regard. Your comparison is ridiculous.

Like when 5 J-Dam bombs hit within the Chinese Embassy in New Belgrade on May 7, 1999, killing 3 and wounding over 20?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

So when I sat there and watch the rampant destruction rain down cruise missiles relentlessly on metropolitan Baghdad...
I shouldn't believe my eyes?

You didn't see that. I know what they were targeting, and it wasn't civilian buildings or infrastructure. Targets were air defense, command and control, Saddam's palace (command and control) and some electrical power centers - for same reasons.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Like when 5 J-Dam bombs hit within the Chinese Embassy in New Belgrade on May 7, 1999, killing 3 and wounding over 20?

Accidents happen in war and conflict. When did you decide to become a Russian and Chinese sympathizer?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Accidents happen in war and conflict. When did you decide to become a Russian and Chinese sympathizer?

You are a good company man, Hello/Goodbye, thus any presentation of historical events reflecting poorly upon your bosses, results in a 'when did you stop beating your wife?' type questions.

It was in no way an accident.
Congressional testimony by CIA warlord George Tenet testifies the mission was "the only one coordinated by the C_A in the bombing assault"

The coordinates were entered into the bombs At Whiteman AFB in Missouri.

Were they verified multiple times by the AF? apparently not?

Oh Sorry!

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Why are you pro Russian?

When did you stop beating your wife?

 

[DrHoops]

Accidents happen in war and conflict. When did you decide to become a Russian and Chinese sympathizer?

He's completely unhinged. Glad you've set him straight on everything so far, but the problem with people like him is it's just whack-a-mole because he'll move on to some other bananas example in 5 minutes and it will never end.