Is it time to stick a fork in DeSantis?

[zeke4ahs]

He’s not a fascists, just a dork. The joke wasn’t funny.

He’s an extremely popular Governor who passed a popular piece of legislation in his state. Disney and MSM tried to bully him out of it and were unsuccessful. DeSantis told Disney to get bent and they lost their sweetheart deal. If I’m being honest, it’s really not that big of deal. It’s how governments work. I understand why liberals are upset. You’re use to Republicans folding and getting your way.

lol…he hasn’t even said he is running yet.

I was young once and voted for Democrats. Then I grew up and stopped voting for Democrats. There will be plenty of Gen Z that do the same. Not to mention, Democrat policies don’t align well with high debt, inflation, and etc. Everyone loves free government, but not so much when you have to pay for it. There is a reason Reagan carried almost every state.

Has nothing to do with free government. Pay attention to what young people are angry about. It’s the social issues, guns, abortion, attacks on LGBTQ and trans. And they are angry enough they’ve actually become motivated to vote. Even on off elections like Wisconsin.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Yes but the Democratic position on those issues is based on lies fundamentally. Climate alarmism is based on a litany of lies. Abortion past 6 weeks relies on the lie that a fetus with a heartbeat isn’t alive. LGBTQ? That relies on the lie that all lifestyles and sexual exploits are equivalent and don’t forget the whopper that gender isn’t biological.

Guns is just flagrantly unconstitutional and ignorant of history. I suppose that relies on the lie that an unarmed populous can rely on a benevolent government indefinitely.

This is the post about truth telling? I don’t think there is one single truth in that mess of propaganda you just wrote. Climate alarmism is based on lies? Maybe check with scientists on that. Abortion at 6 weeks is absolutely ridiculous and has nothing to do with lies. More likely due to the fact that a huge percentage of women don’t even know they are pregnant at six weeks. I’m not even sure what you are trying to say on your LGBTQ tripe. Guns is not unconstitutional or ignorant of history. What is ignorant is forgetting the militia part and that the constitution doesn’t mention your right to own an AR15. I think young people are pretty smart and as Tommy C says, they know what is important to them. And it has nothing to do with lies.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Took the house. And without the trump effect probably the senate

They were supposed to take the house easily. Worse the side opposite the President has done in decades. The Trump effect and the culture wars do not play well with young people, who have been apathetic in the past. Appears they have awakened a sleeping giant. Or maybe they are just woke now.

 

[Bowlmania]

Inflation had only been an issue for about a year, the economy was still in good shape, and a lot of people still had savings from the Covid handouts. Losing 2-3% of your purchasing power isn’t that big of deal. It becomes an issue if it continues for years.

Edit: I wanted to add Trump and Roe/Wade didn’t help Republicans either.

Weren't you one of the "Inflation is the #1 issue - - November is coming!" guys? Fess up.

 

[TommyCracker]

I’ve never given two sh#ts until it started involving women, children, and the changing of reality.

You wouldn’t be slightly annoyed if your conservative boss made a company policy that you had to agree and say Jesus Christ is the son of God to Christian’s at work because he didn’t want you to hurt their feelings? Maybe on Zoom calls or email signatures you have to post born again? The Orwellian nature of it is annoying as f#ck.

Also the flag is ugly. Gay dudes are known for having good taste and style. It’s bullshit they are stuck with that monstrosity. When racist rednecks have a better looking flag, you know you f#cked up. Rant over 😤

The analogy doesn't play.

It's more likely I'd have to acknowledge that someone chose to become Muslim and to start calling them by their Muslim name that reflects their personal religious identity.

Are trans forcing their way onto you or are they asking that you don't lose your shit when they ask to be identified by their personal chosen id?

Is your identity now threatened because Sam wants to be called Samantha?

Did people lose their shit when Lew, Cassius, Chris Jackson and Cat Stevens start identifying by Muslim names or did we just eventually start calling them their Muslim names?

 

[zeke4ahs]

I was trying to get you going. I couldn’t help myself.

They are definitely real and most conservatives agree with them. I actually agree with Walsh. Any Republican who isn’t clear on the trans issue when it comes to sports, women spaces, and children won’t get my vote. I choose to live in reality.

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Lastly, my real position was my last paragraph. The economy trumps all of the cultural issues for most people.

Once again, it appears the Republicans are doubling down on the trans issue and making it seem like the most important agenda item in the world. And that is not going to play well with young people, who also live in reality , and college educated and city young people mostly Have trans friends.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

Has nothing to do with free government. Pay attention to what young people are angry about. It’s the social issues, guns, abortion, attacks on LGBTQ and trans. And they are angry enough they’ve actually become motivated to vote. Even on off elections like Wisconsin.

social issues are all most people know, are what all corporate media couldn't care less about, and what you, all corp media, and both both branches of the Wall St party, keep everyone occupied with 24/7/365.

and do so to keep all attention OFF economic matters.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Yeah I don't get the intense trans rhetoric.

I just don't care what they do. The very, very small amount of time that I've been in proximity to one they've never bothered me, hell they've never even looked at me.

It's just not a major concern and never has been until the right found some juice in a manufactured grievance against them....that's what you guys do.

Republicans, in my lifetime, have always forced themselves onto everyone else as the guardians of 'accepted' morals.

Republicans say they value independence, freedom and personal accountability while also trying to govern accepted behavior....which is counterintuitive to 'personal freedom, independence and personal accountability'.

I know what's next....'BUT THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!'

Amen. You can’t turn on tv or listen to talk radio without some right wing nut job screaming their head off about trans. I know it fires up their base, but I don’t imagine it brings in many independents or any moderates they need.

 

[UncleMark]

I haven’t been on here much lately, so I missed it. What’s up with you tomorrow on the big day everyone is referencing? @UncleMark do I need to stay home and stock up on beer and snacks?

McM is scheduled to have a life altering experience tomorrow evening and we're all looking forward to the angst ridden play by play. It should be glorious.

 

[snarlcakes]

Weren't you one of the "Inflation is the #1 issue - - November is coming!" guys? Fess up.

Sorry to disappoint. I never once posted November is coming.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

Lastly, my real position was my last paragraph. The economy trumps all of the cultural issues for most people.

that couldn't be farther from the truth.

Pubs would never win any election were it.

making life better financially for the 10% and worse for the 90%, just doesn't resonate with a majority of voters.

that said, many voters are so brain dead level stupid that they still buy into the "trickle down" insanity party.

40 plus yrs of taking it up the ass by trickle down, and they still don't figure it out.

they know they've been taking it up the ass for 40 yrs, but just can't make the connection on who's been on the giving it to them up the backside.

 

[TommyCracker]

Could you post a picture of current map of congressional districts in Florida and a picture of the previous map of congressional districts in Florida?

So is your position that Desantis didn't gerrymander or if he did it wasn't significant?

First off congressional maps are normally left up to state legislature but no no no, Desantis said it wasn't skewed enough and drew them himself overriding the state legislature (Orban would be so proud).

He ended up creating 4 new republican seats.

Or did that not happen in your view?

 

[snarlcakes]

The analogy doesn't play.

It's more likely I'd have to acknowledge that someone chose to become Muslim and to start calling them by their Muslim name that reflects their personal religious identity.

Are trans forcing their way onto you or are they asking that you don't lose your shit when they ask to be identified by their personal chosen id?

Is your identity now threatened because Sam wants to be called Samantha?

Did people lose their shit when Lew, Cassius, Chris Jackson and Cat Stevens start identifying by Muslim names or did we just eventually start calling them their Muslim names?

Imagine that I disagree😁 I have zero issues with calling them by any name. The issue is playing make belief and calling them a he when they are she. I wouldn’t force you to say Jesus Christ is the son of God.

 

[Morrison]

McM is scheduled to have a life altering experience tomorrow evening and we're all looking forward to the angst ridden play by play. It should be glorious.

He didn’t go gay did he? We were joking, Mac!

 

[i'vegotwinners]

Once again, it appears the Republicans are doubling down on the trans issue and making it seem like the most important agenda item in the world. And that is not going to play well with young people, who also live in reality , and college educated and city young people mostly Have trans friends.

it's the Dems who doubled down on the trans issue, and that and other things cost them the 2016 election and gave us prez Trump.

while trans need to be left alone to live their life, the issue is a gigantic political loser for Dems, who would do far better concentrating on working class economic issues.

that said, those owning the DNC would much rather lose elections than promote working class economic issues.

it's not personal. just business.

 

[TommyCracker]

Amen. You can’t turn on tv or listen to talk radio without some right wing nut job screaming their head off about trans. I know it fires up their base, but I don’t imagine it brings in many independents or any moderates they need.

I don't either.

I think it's really hard to try to make morality the focal point of a political movement.

Sure it's an emotional movement but to build and sustain it needs an outcast group to be punished and, at our core especially coming out of WW2, punishing a group typically doesn't play in a place that is built on personal liberty and one that is as diverse as we are.

But Republicans can keep trying if they want but it's not tracking at all it seems for these two massive generations that are coming into power.

Look there's a reason why Bud Light (and Coors, Guinness, etc) are investing in pro LGBTQ marketing and it's not because they want to be woke....I believe it's because they understand what's coming down the pike.

 

[Spartans9312]

So is your position that Desantis didn't gerrymander or if he did it wasn't significant?

First off congressional maps are normally left up to state legislature but no no no, Desantis said it wasn't skewed enough and drew them himself overriding the state legislature (Orban would be so proud).

He ended up creating 4 new republican seats.

Or did that not happen in your view?

My position is to see the 2 different maps. And to see what the Florida Fair District Amendment says.
Put those together. Is it possible one of the districts on the previous map wouldn’t have been legal?

 

[TommyCracker]

My position is to see the 2 different maps. And to see what the Florida Fair District Amendment says.
Put those together. Is it possible one of the districts on the previous map wouldn’t have been legal?

Dude just say what you believe, stop pussyfooting around asking rhetorical questions. You sound like my dad.

The 2022 election used Desantis's new map which was heavily gerrymandered. Are you disagreeing than say that it's bullshit and why.

Whether it eventually gets knocked back doesn't mean anything, it was used in the last election.

Here's the local news account if interested.

 

[UncleMark]

He didn’t go gay did he? We were joking, Mac!

I think it's going to be worse than that. He may end up being neutered.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Imagine that I disagree😁 I have zero issues with calling them by any name. The issue is playing make belief and calling them a he when they are she. I wouldn’t force you to say Jesus Christ is the son of God.

If you had a friend change their name, would it bother you and you’d refuse to call them by their new name? What’s the difference?

 

[Spartans9312]

Dude just say what you believe, stop pussyfooting around asking rhetorical questions. You sound like my dad.

The 2022 election used Desantis's new map which was heavily gerrymandered. Are you disagreeing than say that it's bullshit and why.

Whether it eventually gets knocked back doesn't mean anything, it was used in the last election.

Here's the local news account if interested.

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Dude….you are the one saying it’s gerrymandered. Put up the maps for all to see. Then see if new one is legal based on the Fair District Amendment. See if the old one would’ve sustained a legal challenge. See if the one drawn by the legislature would’ve survived a legal challenge.

 

[zeke4ahs]

it's the Dems who doubled down on the trans issue, and that and other things cost them the 2016 election and gave us prez Trump.

while trans need to be left alone to live their life, the issue is a gigantic political loser for Dems, who would do far better concentrating on working class economic issues.

that said, those owning the DNC would much rather lose elections than promote working class economic issues.

it's not personal. just business.

How did the Dems do that? Let alone in 2016?

 

[Crayfish57]

I don't either.

I think it's really hard to try to make morality the focal point of a political movement.

Sure it's an emotional movement but to build and sustain it needs an outcast group to be punished and, at our core especially coming out of WW2, punishing a group typically doesn't play in a place that is built on personal liberty and one that is as diverse as we are.

But Republicans can keep trying if they want but it's not tracking at all it seems for these two massive generations that are coming into power.

Look there's a reason why Bud Light (and Coors, Guinness, etc) are investing in pro LGBTQ marketing and it's not because they want to be woke....I believe it's because they understand what's coming down the pike.

OMG!!!! Do you people realize what you have been going on about Trump for years now? Especially the poster you replied to here? MORALITY!!!!!!! It's just different when it is your version. Just look at the list ! GD Hypocrisy at it's finest. Trump has had affairs, he is a womanizer yada yada . But Biden doesnt have a weird fetish about sniffing really young women and girls in public does he? It's likely related to his stuttering problem he has had all his life right?

How do you people sleep at night and rationalize all of this ?

 

[Crayfish57]

Bacteria on Mars is life..
A beating human heart isn't.
Abortionists need the wood chipper...an inch per minute...

Arborists it sounds better that way.

 

[snarlcakes]

If you had a friend change their name, would it bother you and you’d refuse to call them by their new name? What’s the difference?

I already said it doesn’t bother me if someone changes their name.

 

[TommyCracker]

Dude….you are the one saying it’s gerrymandered. Put up the maps for all to see. Then see if new one is legal based on the Fair District Amendment. See if the old one would’ve sustained a legal challenge. See if the one drawn by the legislature would’ve survived a legal challenge.

If that's your point than show it.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

How did the Dems do that? Let alone in 2016?

good question.

sabotage by the false flag big corporate DNC funders would be my guess.

i pointed it out to you in the fall of 2016 more than once, and said it could cost Hilary the election.

at winning time in the fall of 2016, Trump was hammering all day everyday on immigration, the Wall, and Chyna.

Hilary was talking about bathroom choice for trans. (who could have possibly known this wasn't what swing voters were most interested in).

candidate malfeasance beyond belief.

worst candidate ever, and the only one Trump could have beaten.

 

[Spartans9312]

If that's your point than show it.

FL-20 is a racial gerrymander and should be re-drawn but no one is going to take it to court because it would be a Democratic district even if re-drawn.
What districts do you see as a problem?
The map is compact, it has fewer county and city splits than the map he vetoed.

 

[GiggityGoo]

FL-20 is a racial gerrymander and should be re-drawn but no one is going to take it to court because it would be a Democratic district even if re-drawn.
What districts do you see as a problem?
The map is compact, it has fewer county and city splits than the map he vetoed.

Would you quit getting in the weeds? A man needs to be able to shout “Gerrymander!” with no follow up.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Would you quit getting in the weeds? A man needs to be able to shout “Gerrymander!” with no follow up.

Yup, just a coincidence that it is more gop friendly.

 

[TommyCracker]

FL-20 is a racial gerrymander and should be re-drawn but no one is going to take it to court because it would be a Democratic district even if re-drawn.
What districts do you see as a problem?
The map is compact, it has fewer county and city splits than the map he vetoed.

Appreciate the response.

Looking at maps is like dissecting a Picasso but at the end of the day it's just fun with math.

1. Florida gained a seat with the new census.
2. The State Legislature drew up the map like it's supposed to
3. Desantis stepped in and said no, this is the map to submit.
4. The legislature was like, I don't think this will fly in the courts as you're eliminating district 5 which is a predominantly black district. He also wanted to shrink district ten (Orlando), another predominantly black neighborhood.
5. Desantis said do it and they passed it.
6. It's currently tied up in courts so we'll see if it stands but it was used for the previous elections.

At the end of the day the math worked out to:

1. Four additional Republican districts while Dems lost three (pubs got the new district also).
2. Two additional white majority districts.
3. Blacks losing their majority district.
4. Hispanics gaining one majority district.
5. White population in Florida is 52% but now have 68% of the district majority representation.
6. Hispanics are 26% of the population but have 14% of the district majority representation.
7. Blacks are 15% of the population in Florida and now have 0% of district majority representation.

So, that's the math with Desantis's maps that's currently in place.

That's pretty much the purpose of gerrymandering.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

DeSantis' polling sucks. He isn't gaining traction. And while his abortion law may do good in the primary, who thinks it is a winner in the general?

National : President: Republican primary : 2024 Polls

The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight.

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Trump is also winning the endorsement game, 9 Senators to 0. 48 US Reps to 8. 8 Reps from Florida to 1. And 2 governors to 0 (assuming we don't count DeSantis endorsing himself).

And now the news on the Florida insurance crisis is getting even worse.

Maybe Haley can sneak out from the non-Trump lane and win. A year ago it seemed Mc was right, Trump was in trouble. But right now he seems a teflon Don.

Add that Bragg handed Trump a gilded gift. It's way too early to predict, as I always say, but right now, Trump is the favorite, and it's not close.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

There is a reason Reagan carried almost every state.

yeah, total idiocracy.

idiots bought his out and out "trickle down lies" and voted for him more because of likeability than anything else, though his sabotaging of the hostage release obviously helped him as well, which is exactly why they sabotaged it.

the non rich who adored him the most, literally hate, loathe, and despise with a passion, everything he did economically more than they hate anything else political ever, but still are too brain dead stupid to make the connection.

It’s how governments work. I understand why liberals are upset. You’re use to Republicans folding and getting your way.

if you think Disney is a "liberal" multinational corporate conglomerate, you're even dumber than i suspected.

there literally is no such thing as a "liberal" multinational corporate conglomerate, on anything corp conglomerates care about..

do you just not grasp what multinational corporate conglomerates are, or how the work?

and Pubs don't usually "fold", they usually get bought, because they legalized being bought as their number 1 economic/judicial priority.

Not to mention, Democrat policies don’t align well with high debt, inflation, and etc.

high debt and today's corp price gouging being falsely passed off as "inflation", are the result of conservative economic policies and the monopolization of many to most industries, with said monopolization also being a purely conservative driven happening.

I was young once and voted for Democrats. Then I grew up and stopped voting for Democrats.

don't know your age, but the DNC went from being economically liberal to economically very conservative in my time, with some Dems now going back to being econ liberals.

though never as conservative as Pubs, other than the Clintons, who were economically as crazy far right as you could possibly get, and not liberal socially either..

I was young once and voted for Democrats. Then I grew up and stopped voting for Democrats.

so was it greed that changed you?

that's the common one, will no doubt hit gen z ers as well, as it does all generations.

there is no difference in generations, that's a total fallacy.

only in age groups.

 

[Spartans9312]

Appreciate the response.

Looking at maps is like dissecting a Picasso but at the end of the day it's just fun with math.

1. Florida gained a seat with the new census.
2. The State Legislature drew up the map like it's supposed to
3. Desantis stepped in and said no, this is the map to submit.
4. The legislature was like, I don't think this will fly in the courts as you're eliminating district 5 which is a predominantly black district. He also wanted to shrink district ten (Orlando), another predominantly black neighborhood.
5. Desantis said do it and they passed it.
6. It's currently tied up in courts so we'll see if it stands but it was used for the previous elections.

At the end of the day the math worked out to:

1. Four additional Republican districts while Dems lost three (pubs got the new district also).
2. Two additional white majority districts.
3. Blacks losing their majority district.
4. Hispanics gaining one majority district.
5. White population in Florida is 52% but now have 68% of the district majority representation.
6. Hispanics are 26% of the population but have 14% of the district majority representation.
7. Blacks are 15% of the population in Florida and now have 0% of district majority representation.

So, that's the math with Desantis's maps that's currently in place.

That's pretty much the purpose of gerrymandering.

Fl-5 was a remnant of the 1992 redistricting cycle. Nearly all of the racial gerrymanders from ‘92 have been struck down as violations of the federal VRA and 14th Amendment. These included the old versions of VA-3, NC-1, NC-12, LA-5….

FL-5 was drawn solely on the basis of race…therefore would have probably met the same demise as the districts above. The Jacksonville districts are race-neutral. It splits the city using the river as it divides it in two.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Fl-5 was a remnant of the 1992 redistricting cycle. Nearly all of the racial gerrymanders from ‘92 have been struck down as violations of the federal VRA and 14th Amendment. These included the old versions of VA-3, NC-1, NC-12, LA-5….

FL-5 was drawn solely on the basis of race…therefore would have probably met the same demise as the districts above. The Jacksonville districts are race-neutral. It splits the city using the river as it divides it in two.

You have this strange habit the past few years of trying to defend GOP gerrymanders on technical grounds, while ignoring the clear intent. A benefit of the doubt, I might add, you don't share with Dem legislatures.

 

[Spartans9312]

You have this strange habit the past few years of trying to defend GOP gerrymanders on technical grounds, while ignoring the clear intent. A benefit of the doubt, I might add, you don't share with Dem legislatures.

I completely understand the intent. Maximize the number of GOP seats. But the map still has to work. It’s compact and relatively clean with regards to counties, cities and communities of interest. I’m sure there are places on the map you could nitpick

 

[Spartans9312]

Appreciate the response.

Looking at maps is like dissecting a Picasso but at the end of the day it's just fun with math.

1. Florida gained a seat with the new census.
2. The State Legislature drew up the map like it's supposed to
3. Desantis stepped in and said no, this is the map to submit.
4. The legislature was like, I don't think this will fly in the courts as you're eliminating district 5 which is a predominantly black district. He also wanted to shrink district ten (Orlando), another predominantly black neighborhood.
5. Desantis said do it and they passed it.
6. It's currently tied up in courts so we'll see if it stands but it was used for the previous elections.

At the end of the day the math worked out to:

1. Four additional Republican districts while Dems lost three (pubs got the new district also).
2. Two additional white majority districts.
3. Blacks losing their majority district.
4. Hispanics gaining one majority district.
5. White population in Florida is 52% but now have 68% of the district majority representation.
6. Hispanics are 26% of the population but have 14% of the district majority representation.
7. Blacks are 15% of the population in Florida and now have 0% of district majority representation.

So, that's the math with Desantis's maps that's currently in place.

That's pretty much the purpose of gerrymandering.

I went back and looked: there were 5 “close” districts. Crist carried 3 of them.
FL-22 Crist won it by 3 (Frankel district). DeSantis won the 23rd (Moskowitz) by 1 and lost the 25th (DWS) by 5. Those three, along with FL9 (Soto) which DeSantis won by 2, and the 14th (Castor) Crist by 5 were the only districts within single digits.

The next closest would be the 27th (Salazar) at DeSantis +16.5

 

[Spartans9312]

A bill has passed both the Florida house and senate that makes it clear that DeSantis will not need to resign to run for President or Vice President.

One Republican opposed who was a big trumper (and a guy who stuck up Disney)

 

[ButHerEmails]

Amen. You can’t turn on tv or listen to talk radio without some right wing nut job screaming their head off about trans. I know it fires up their base, but I don’t imagine it brings in many independents or any moderates they need.

How many elected republicans and/or Trump campaign officials have been busted for child molesting or child porn? And they scream about trannies all day long.

 

[82hoosier]

His political epitaph will be something like presidential aspirations killed because he did not understand the term "woke"

It is a stupid term that is divisive and misunderstood. Unfortunately for Ron he thought he was smarter than most people when he is dumber than most people.