Impeachment
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Imo, not only would a Biden withdrawal imperil that effort, it would in fact be the most dangerous moment in recent American history, if not all of American history.
this is the Biden story:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/biden-ukraine-prosecutor-trump-tweet-888662/
Any candidate who attempts to exploit this is frankly sick. I would also be extremely disappointed if the Democratic Party did not engage in a strident defense of Biden against this outrageous smear.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/biden-ukraine-prosecutor-trump-tweet-888662/
Any candidate who attempts to exploit this is frankly sick. I would also be extremely disappointed if the Democratic Party did not engage in a strident defense of Biden against this outrageous smear.
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Both, actually. I just don't care all that much about money or think very highly of people who care about little else.
That's why citizens united needs to be torched to the depths of hell. It breeds corruption and politicians are openly bought and paid for.
Impeaching Trump is a hail mary that must work for the Dems to win in 2020. It's sadly going to come down to Warren vs. Trump if not.
Trump doesn't need to be impeached. He just needs to stand trial and get grilled.
Did you order the Code Red?!
YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!
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Wrong side of the ball, it looks like an all out blitz against a sputtering offense to me.
So you think that Biden is toast and Dem party bigwigs agree with you. The only way I can get there is to look at the people who spoke out today and the timing of those announcements. It all could be explained by a simple courtesy call. Biden spoke out but who is to say that the other candidates weren't informed. Uncle Joe is after all a primary figure in all this, it could be he is starting to play the game and called Nancy and said enough is enough. I think the president finally pissed off Biden, not disgusted or surprised but angry. Angry enough to start calling in favors and uniting the troops.
We had an investigation by an independent counsel that found no Russian collusion. What's next?
A transcript no one has read. Here we go
A transcript no one has read. Here we go
I doubt you have the first clue what the Mueller report says.
Ah I see where you get your news. The transcript is barely relevant. The whistleblower complaint was required by law to be released to the congressional intel committee. Required. The WH and DOJ are violating the law by withholding it.
Let’s also remember that Trump and Rudy have both admitted to the act. Repeatedly.
Yes the intel inspector general who determined it was of “urgent importance”, which triggered the referral to the congressional intel committee. That’s the problem with this administration. There is always a process and this administration always gives the process the middle finger.
So the House hasn't seen the report and doesn't know who the person is but is already creating turmoil?
Also, it seemed the transcript was a big deal until Trump said he would release it.
Biden's trajectory is going nowhere good. He has been a lovable gaffe machine for decades but the current state is getting worse. He would not survive a full election cycle without imploding or worse.
Pete should be the guy but sadly that won't happen leaving Warren as the heiress apparent. While packing some ridiculous concepts she is strong and in control enough to pound out a win particularly if Trump is further damaged by the impeachment process. The handlers will tone down the extremist crap when it really matters. She has some baggage obviously, but none compared to Trump.
The transcript is not a recording, it will say whatever the driver of clown car wants it to say.
I think you are partially correct here. What law is being violated? I'm sure Rock can help with this.
This is spot on. The recordings are necessary. Edited down by a bi partisan team agreeing on what, if anything, must be redacted before broader release.
Who says a law must be involved, from the wiki on high crimes and misdemeanors:
The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct by officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, refusal to obey a lawful order, chronic intoxication, and tax evasion.
Abuse of authority would certainly fit. What set it off was the refusal to send the whistleblower report per the law, which is refusal to obey a lawful order. If the whistleblower report had been sent to congress, I doubt we would be here today.
No, that’s really not what it said. It also said 10 counts of obstruction. I love how Trump said that of course Biden’s son talked to him about his business deals, but he wants us to believe he didn’t talk to Junior about his meeting in Trump Tower with the Russians to get dirt on Hillary.
I marvel at Trumpbots’ ability to make themselves oblivious. It’s like a superpower.
Perhaps you remember Sharpiegate? What four scandals again? I doubt that anyone in their right mind believes the transcripts. The Whistleblower has put his career on the line. Besides what Trump and Rudy have admitted to doing is enough for impeachment. Let alone the obstruction, Citizen 1, and whatever it is in his taxes he doesn’t want us to see. At this point, can you truly say you think he is innocent of every one of these charges?
Here’s what Lindsey Graham had to say about impeachment in 1999. “ A president doesn’t even have to be convicted of a crime to be impeached. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”
Think Lindsey is singing the same tune? I actually disagree with that, as it’s too subjective. But if anyone deserves impeachment for making a mockery of the office, it’s certainly Trump. But he’s got the crimes too.
Think Lindsey is singing the same tune? I actually disagree with that, as it’s too subjective. But if anyone deserves impeachment for making a mockery of the office, it’s certainly Trump. But he’s got the crimes too.
Because it has very weak public support. Last I saw only about 29%.
Who knows what this latest deal will bring.... but this was extremely premature. Really thought Pelosi was smarter than this. Why not wait at least a couple more weeks and see what comes out on this latest issue?
If this turns into a wet fart, politically, like Mueller.... then this will blow up in their face and increase the odds Trump is reelected greatly. And likely take down the guy most likely to beat him.
I'm quite sure that the WH told GOP allies to go ahead with this. If they were opposing it in any way it wouldn't have occurred. Things don't happen in a vacuum.
Sure, impeachment is basically a political exercise, not a legal one. But you are making an incredibly stretched argument... we are talking about an issue that's hit the waves in less than the last week.
Nobody knows anything at this point, but the Dems have decided to start blasting with their biggest cannon and then ask questions later. The odds are they will end up shooting themselves.
The Whistleblower's report is more than the transcript of a single call. IIRC, it mentions a pattern of disturbing behavior...
IIUC, recordings don't exist. The records of the calls are notes taken by participants/monitors. The "transcript" will be derived from that.
The public is stoopid. I'll bet that 29% is for removal, not impeachment.
Six committees have been tasked to investigate misconduct in their respective areas. That should keep everyone busy for quite some time. Maybe even up until Nov 2020.
Warren's big advantage is she'll be able to run a populist campaign against Trump and say "he didn't do X, Y, Z", is corrupt, in bed with Wall Street, etc.. Biden would get painted as being "of Washington", etc. and being establishment. You can't really paint Warren as that, and she's folksier than your stereotypical impression of a liberal MA Senator.
I'm sure she's got this gamed out with as smart as she is and how much she likes having plans for everything.
He’s already admitted to it. There doesn’t need to be anything else. And Mueller found 10 counts of obstruction. Just because people believed Barr when he framed the innocent verdict doesn’t mean that’s the case. Pelosi has been more than patient. This should have happened immediately after the Mueller report.
To be fair, I am not making a stretched argument in that I have not said that this impeachment on this grounds makes sense. I believe that with the acting DNI scheduled to appear before House Intel on Thursday anyway, they should have waited to see if the whistle blower report could be pried loose. At this moment the potential for blow back is very high if Trump was halfway smart and didn't connect the dots. Of course now there is reporting that Rudy went over and made the case for an investigation of Biden, and at this point my previous concerns may not hold up because if true one might wonder why the president's personal lawyer traveled to Ukraine to push for an investigation.That really opens up the abuse of power charge imho.
I was just pointing out that no crime needs exist for impeachment. That isn't so much a stretch.
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