I don’t understand the Brownell hate.
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I wouldn’t think they’ll “crowd” the Woodson formal retirement, on the same day they announce the new coach.
So the first hint might be how quickly the Woodson retirement is official.
To respond to the OP......I don't think there is hate for Brownell. Fact is....Clemson is having a great season. Three of their losses were in overtime....and most were by just a few points. The issue with Brownell or coaches like him is the frequency of mediocre seasons. IU fans have had a belly full of that for a very long time. It is at the heart of the vicious cycle we are stuck in. Thats the friction point. Now Brownell might be better than what we see. I don't know how he would do at IU except that he would do better than Woodson. Beyond that, I don't have a clue. I've said hiring him wouldn't be a failure....if that is where we end up. But......there are a few coaches ahead of him, imo. I for one am way past believing that IU will land a major D1 home run hire. Not gonna happen. I do think IU "can" hire a coach who can compete at the highest level. I am doubtful that IU will.....based on track record. I do think IU has to rebuild its basketball culture in the short term....and its facilities in the long term. But that's a separate issue.....at least I hope it is. I've also said that I think Brownell will be the eventual hire......and I'll stick with that prediction.
Look.. You are never going to please everyone on this crazy forum or overall fan base.
I looked hard at what he has done & it's good.. He is a good coach & is Ok at sustaining year to year consistency...
I think that this board is looking for an elite coach & elite program builder.
If you tier coaches, he is in the middle of the road vs. current Big Ten coaches if you slot him in a current poll.
Just saying..
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If our goals are a .500 record, first-round loss in the conference tournament, and NCAA tournament bubble, just say so when you announce the next coach. Then nobody will have any basis for complaint. But then why did we fire Woodson? And why would we want just an incremental improvement?
I thought it was stated on Twitter that IU not play in the NIT or crown. So the season is over. Which means Mike Woodson is over. I don’t know what else we would be waiting for. I wasn’t aware there was gonna be some sort of formal Mike Woodson retirement party.
Crean’s big issue was that he won 2 outright Big Ten titles but then floundered in the tournament. Once you set an expectation by actually doing something, you’re held to that.
A pattern was developing with him that wasn’t going to cut it. He followed up the 2012-13 year with 2 crummy seasons. He was on thin ice when he won the conference in 2015-16 but immediately followed that up with a clunker. There was no stability with Crean.
I will say this for him: he was 10x better than Woodson.
First the coach has to have had success at a P4 school. Then IU needs a coach with a big personality that is comfortable being visible at football games, show up at events around the state, meet the high school coaches in the state and to promote the program. A big personality.
Brownell and McCollum aren't a good fit. Beard and Wade are better choices. A mid major coach with a long history of success is okay with the right personality.
FWIW I saw a FB memory today from a friend from Kentucky that commented that we should hire Rick Pitino to replace Archie. He was 100% correct! That is the type of coach we need. You think fan comments bother Rick Pitino? No.
You can’t bury the whale that easily-there will always be another sighting off Cape Cod.
I guess maybe?... I was just assuming they'd allow him to at least issue his own press release, or one of those flowery instagram posts, or something. Seems like there needs to be some closure on the Woodson era, before moving on to the new era.
The Brownell thing is really a mystery to me. I understand all the concern when his overall record at Clemson is taken into consideration, as it should be. But the past two years, his teams have looked a lot different. They certainly pass the eye test for me. I've seen Clemson score in the 90s and win. I've seen them grind and grind and win games in the 50s. I'm sure, if he's a candidate, he will be asked to explain the first 13 years in great detail.
McCullum could very well be a dynamic coach that, if he could handle the weight of the job and the spotlight, would be here for many, many years. Tremendous upside but a little more risk right out of the box. I would LOVE it if he had another year or two under his belt at Drake.
I don't know much about McCasland other than he has TT in a pretty good spot here. He might be the better pick out of the three.
I'm still not sure it won't be a "sleeper" or someone we have mostly written off as "he won't come here".
Either way, I think we are in better shape than in past hiring cycles.
McCullum could very well be a dynamic coach that, if he could handle the weight of the job and the spotlight, would be here for many, many years. Tremendous upside but a little more risk right out of the box. I would LOVE it if he had another year or two under his belt at Drake.
I don't know much about McCasland other than he has TT in a pretty good spot here. He might be the better pick out of the three.
I'm still not sure it won't be a "sleeper" or someone we have mostly written off as "he won't come here".
Either way, I think we are in better shape than in past hiring cycles.
There is alot of risk with McCullum not just a little. He could flame out fast because we have no idea if he could handle the spotlight of his job and of course he would still get four years no matter what. It is a massive jump to come to IU after only on year of mid major D1 coaching. I do not like BB but at least he has had high level experience and likely would not fold under the pressure.
Seeing that Clemson is a “football” school, maybe Brownell just needs a little/lot more basketball support to show his true colors.
I’m from Evansville and he was a very good assistant coach at UE. Obviously he’s a pretty good head coach. I would think he is in Dolson’s top 5. I would really like to see what McCollum could do at IU, but it Brownell was the choice, I wouldn’t be disappointed.
Brownwell going to leave everyone feeling the same as we do now in 5 years. Would rather take a "risk" than hire someone who has been objectively mediocre for 15 years. Don't get blinded by 2 good seasons.
I do not like either hire but if indeed that is all we can get I guess I would rather take a guy with experience. Chances are we are probably doing this again in four years anyway so to me the risk is not worth it on a guy not proven at all.
Woodson had all the basketball support he wanted and look where it got us. Coaching ability is paramount.
I’m also a really big Beard fan. If Dolson decides he is IU’s best candidate, I think he can do some really good stuff quickly.
I just hate reading/hearing all the other “background” noise from others.
In Dolson we trust…. And please don’t use this as another opportunity to start more “background” chatter. That horse is way beyond dead.
