I don’t understand the Brownell hate.

[hookyIU1990]

I just don't see it. He had an elite 8 last year, but 23 was NIT loss, 22 was no post season, 21 lost first round NCAA, 20 doesn't count, 19 NIT 1 win, 18 S16, 17 NIT, 16 no post season, 15 no post season, 14 NIT, 13 nothing, 12 nothing, 11 First rd loss NCAA

Hard for me to get behind that.

 

[Warison]

If you want someone winning at a football school, go get Golden, Oates or Barnes

Can you imagine hiring a coach that coached at Buffalo as his previous job.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Give Brownell Indiana quality talent and he’ll have us at the top

I thought that's what Woodson was supposed to do.

 

[cw_for_3]

OP is trolling with this....

 

[MIS01]

I don’t know. Just checked his HC record and it’s average. I get the football school but he’s only has one elite 8 and I think one sweet 16 in 15+ years. He’s 56 so he’s not young but not old compared to Woodson. I just think he would be a safe hire and that’s not going to help this university get back to being a so called blue blood. Funny thing is I have no idea who else we would go after other than Beard and maybe McCollum although he’s just been a mid major coach his whole career.

That elite 8 was the first for Clemson in 44 years.

 

[Big Red Crimson Buffalo]

Crean 2.0. Is that your new catch phrase.?

I might go with Crean 4.0 as we’ve had 2 other iterations of him since he was gone. Actually, versions 2.0 and 3.0 were worse.

 

[TR32]

Actually, Alford makes zero sense. Alford has already been given the keys to a historic, big name basketball school and never got past the Sweet 16. And he had his share of 5* and 4* players. If Alford was going to do anything stellar, he would have done it at UCLA.

Same as Cronin. Cronin currently has 10 RSCI top 100 guys on his roster and he can't get into the top 4 in the conference. I'm not talking the bs Pac12. I'm talking Big Ten.
The guy who really did well at UCLA was Howland. He was a good coach- at Pitt and at UCLA.

 

[bsmitty08]

Can you imagine hiring a coach that coached at Buffalo as his previous job.

Well we would be hiring someone who coached at Alabama as his previous job

 

[dbmhoosier]

Rabjohns says Brownell likely taking the extension from Clemson. Whew

 

[IUfanBorden]

Weirdly strong response to my post that was against the hiring of Brownell.

That bad news for your utilization of caps lock is that he already is performing at Greg Gard level of success. Good, but not great with enough results to know what they are.

Nothing weird, nor strong about it. BB has missed the NCAAT in 9 of his 15 seasons @ Clemson.
That's really where rhe conversation of him should end.
Gard has been at Wisky for 9 seasons. Missed the NCAAT 2x. Has won the B10 twice. Playing for BTT tomorrow.

BB has never won a P5 conference title.

The two are not the same.

 

[EvansvilleHoosier88]

The point for me was that neither of them are perceived as coaches that will be winning national titles. They have both won at a clip in the low 60%(64vs 62 over the same timeframe) if we are wanting to nitpick, Gard also hasn’t made it to the elite 8. While they may not be the same, the results aren’t demonstrably different. Gard had the luxury of taking over a well oiled machine from Bo Ryan.

Give me McCollum over both all day.

 

[Hank Reardon]

Give Brownell Indiana quality talent and he’ll have us at the top

He isn’t given talent. He needs to bring it in. Does he bring it to Clemson?

 

[Indyhorn]

Actually, Alford makes zero sense. Alford has already been given the keys to a historic, big name basketball school and never got past the Sweet 16. And he had his share of 5* and 4* players. If Alford was going to do anything stellar, he would have done it at UCLA.

UCLA isn’t IU. Ask Cronin if you don’t believe me. Brownell is a huge step up from Woody, so is McCollum

 

[IUHoopster]

Solid coach. Dude is at a football school that doesn’t GAF about basketball. Has experience. From southern Indiana. Not 100 yrs old. And his record the last 3 yrs is impressive.

Would not be upset with this hire. I can see him having real success here.

Solid mediocrity in the middle

 

[bailey777]

Solid coach. Dude is at a football school that doesn’t GAF about basketball. Has experience. From southern Indiana. Not 100 yrs old. And his record the last 3 yrs is impressive.

Would not be upset with this hire. I can see him having real success here.

Where to even begin. Makes the ncaa only 30% of the time for starters. His career is average at vest. .500 in conference

 

[bailey777]

Give Brownell Indiana quality talent and he’ll have us at the top

Lol his past says otherwise.

 

[BA47591]

It's the idea of us being in a position that would result in a less than inspiring name. Again. Brownell is the poster child for that nightmare. I don't think it's Brownell specific hate.

 

[Kyser123]

He isn’t given talent. He needs to bring it in. Does he bring it to Clemson?

Are you talking about the Indiana talent of the last 4 years? I’m sure he’ll make Cupps an All American

 

[Battimi]

Nothing to hate unless you hate having average basketball program.

 

[GeorgeStrait IU]

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. When a guy has been coaching for 20 years...you have his resume'......and it is what it is. Coming to IU doesn't change who he is.

but but but.. He promises to do better this time! lol. Agree 100%.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

It's the idea of us being in a position that would result in a less than inspiring name. Again. Brownell is the poster child for that nightmare. I don't think it's Brownell specific hate.

Give Brownell Indiana quality talent and he’ll have us at the top

Isn't that what we

Give Brownell Indiana quality talent and he’ll have us at the top

Isn't that what we thought about the last three coaches?

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Crea

Isn't that what we

Isn't that what we thought about the last three coaches?

Crean wasn’t horrible. Nobody can understand why Archie sucked so much. Only pie in the sky fantasizers believed in Woody

 

[Al Bino]

Give Brownell Indiana quality talent and he’ll have us at the top

This is almost exactly what I heard about Crean. I was not a fan of the hire and asked if IU fans would be happy if he reproduced the results he had a Marquette.
I was told by many that once he got to IU, the resources IU has will let him excel. He did win a couple of BT titles which no one seems to be able to do now but no E8 or FF.
Brownell is who he is and he only wins 60% of conference games.

NO THANKS.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

This is almost exactly what I heard about Crean. I was not a fan of the hire and asked if IU fans would be happy if he reproduced the results he had a Marquette.
I was told by many that once he got to IU, the resources IU has will let him excel. He did win a couple of BT titles which no one seems to be able to do now but no E8 or FF.
Brownell is who he is and he only wins 60% of conference games.

NO THANKS.

But its McCollum that lacks the resume'....not Brownell. Somehow....because this is "Indiana"....a journeyman coach is going to turn into a champ. So, apparently....IU's hiring mistakes have been that we weren't looking at enough journeymen.

 

[Hatchets7times]

He's never won anything. 15 years in the ACC and never won a conference championship.

Indiana as team has never won the BTT.
So you have that..

 

[ButHerEmails]

He isn’t given talent. He needs to bring it in. Does he bring it to Clemson?

Anyone with a pulse will get highly rated recruits at IU. I don’t care if we hire Brownell or not, but to think someone won’t get talent at IU is kinda ridiculous. By several accounts, Woodson is beyond lazy when it comes to recruiting and he’s brought in highly rated talent to IU. He hasn’t done shit with it, but he’s brought it in. Whether or not it’s because of NIL is immaterial.

 

[Liberty_Hoosier]

A lot of Brownell to IU talk out there in last few hours

 

[kmathum]

A lot of Brownell to IU talk out there in last few hours

If we get down to Brownell, we've been turned down by a bunch of people.

 

[dbmhoosier]

It's gonna be Brownell. Just cancel the program. I am out.

 

[luviubball]

I just don't see it. He had an elite 8 last year, but 23 was NIT loss, 22 was no post season, 21 lost first round NCAA, 20 doesn't count, 19 NIT 1 win, 18 S16, 17 NIT, 16 no post season, 15 no post season, 14 NIT, 13 nothing, 12 nothing, 11 First rd loss NCAA

Hard for me to get behind that.

Don't even see him being an upgrade over Crean. He is an upgrade over Woody, but that is a low bar. If IU is down to Brownell and Collins I would much rather IU risk their holier-than-thou status and go after Beard or Wade.

 

[iubirdman]

All of the "rumors" are just that, rumors. The only people that have a clue about who Dolson is actually considering is SD, the assistant ADs, the search committee, and probably President Witten. All of the others are just throwing out their opinions or others opinions. My guess--just that--is that a lot of the BB talk is from HIS agent working to get him an extension at Clemson after the last 2 years

 

[hookyIU1990]

All of the "rumors" are just that, rumors. The only people that have a clue about who Dolson is actually considering is SD, the assistant ADs, the search committee, and probably President Witten. All of the others are just throwing out their opinions or others opinions. My guess--just that--is that a lot of the BB talk is from HIS agent working to get him an extension at Clemson after the last 2 years

I'm not so sure the assistant ADs know for sure or the search committee other than the initial names.

 

[iubirdman]

I'm not so sure the assistant ADs know for sure or the search committee other than the initial names.

Well the committee knows who they are looking at, how else can they do background checks!! But yes, the AAD may not know all of the details beyond names, but NO ONE on here has any "inside" info, they are just guessing and throwing out names and the "reporters" are doing the same thing trying to get clicks

 

[kmathum]

Well the committee knows who they are looking at, how else can they do background checks!! But yes, the AAD may not know all of the details beyond names, but NO ONE on here has any "inside" info, they are just guessing and throwing out names and the "reporters" are doing the same thing trying to get clicks

Are we using a search committee? Hadn't heard that.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Well the committee knows who they are looking at, how else can they do background checks!! But yes, the AAD may not know all of the details beyond names, but NO ONE on here has any "inside" info, they are just guessing and throwing out names and the "reporters" are doing the same thing trying to get clicks

That's what I said. The search team knows the initial names and they did their homework, which would include the background checks. Beyond that, I don't think they know who he's focused on or talking to.

 

[hookyIU1990]

Are we using a search committee? Hadn't heard that.

I just assumed he meant the search firm.

 

[iubirdman]

I just assumed he meant the search firm.

Yea firm, not committee

 

[kmathum]

That's what I said. The search team knows the initial names and they did their homework, which would include the background checks. Beyond that, I don't think they know who he's focused on or talking to.

That makes sense.