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How in the hell is Will Wade still coaching

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Sounds like he’ll be done soon. But I’ll bet it’ll be after the dance is over. Don’t want to mess up a chance to win it.
 
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It has taken so long, he'll probably still be their coach for a long time. There is no reason to ditch him if he's still winning without cheating. They have a proven coach, so they'd be better off to take their lumps and keep him than do the same and gamble on what they could attract under sanctions and start over.
 
Crossblock said:
It's not like He is kelvin sampson and violated those all important texting/communication limits.
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Do we really know that he would have stopped there? Maybe. Maybe "phone calls" was the line in his head that he would not go past. I guess you could point to the fact that he hasn't been caught doing anything else. But that's the thing about tolerating cheating. It establishes that nothing will happen, so it encourages it to continue and get worse. Then suddenly one day you're dealing with hookers for recruits or paying players to sign.
 
ams66 said:
Do we really know that he would have stopped there? Maybe. Maybe "phone calls" was the line in his head that he would not go past. I guess you could point to the fact that he hasn't been caught doing anything else. But that's the thing about tolerating cheating. It establishes that nothing will happen, so it encourages it to continue and get worse. Then suddenly one day you're dealing with hookers for recruits or paying players to sign.
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Don't bother with these types of people. They're all idiots.

Kelvin Sampson was going down regardless if IU was on board or not. Same thing will happen to Will Wade. He'll get a show cause penalty that physically disallows him from coaching college basketball no matter how hard LSU wants to stand up to the NCAA. How long LSU wants to hang onto Wade will likely determine how hard the NCAA hammers them. IU was smart to ditch Sampson sooner than later, Sampson was getting a show cause penalty regardless if IU wanted to fight the NCAA or not.
 
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I assume they self-report, that's the only way you get hammered by the douche-bag NCAA.
 
Never self report , that’s the main lesson here . Also now with the NIL all teams can pay players , so big donors don’t have to hide it anymore .
 
SoccerSammy said:
I certainly hope you're right... but after the joke of the NCAA not having jurisdiction in the UNC case, I have no faith of justice ever being served anymore
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NCAA has much broader jurisdiction under the parameters of impermissible benefits pertaining to student athletes than it does college curriculum accreditation.
 
Coach Geez said:
NCAA has much broader jurisdiction under the parameters of impermissible benefits pertaining to student athletes than it does college curriculum accreditation.
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I know the rule but it was still annoying knowing the corruption that was taking place there.
 
ams66 said:
Do we really know that he would have stopped there? Maybe. Maybe "phone calls" was the line in his head that he would not go past. I guess you could point to the fact that he hasn't been caught doing anything else. But that's the thing about tolerating cheating. It establishes that nothing will happen, so it encourages it to continue and get worse. Then suddenly one day you're dealing with hookers for recruits or paying players to sign.
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That's absurd, you insinuate that texting a player is like a gateway drug on the way to buying them. That's a bunch of shit, no, IU should not have fired him, the reason he broke the rule is because it was a bullshit rule and the reason, we know it was a bullshit rule is that it is not even a rule anymore. That's why he broke it then, because he knew it was absurd. Thinking like yours is why weed will take many more years than the rest of the US to be legal in Bloomington.
 
Coach Geez said:
Don't bother with these types of people. They're all idiots.

Kelvin Sampson was going down regardless if IU was on board or not. Same thing will happen to Will Wade. He'll get a show cause penalty that physically disallows him from coaching college basketball no matter how hard LSU wants to stand up to the NCAA. How long LSU wants to hang onto Wade will likely determine how hard the NCAA hammers them. IU was smart to ditch Sampson sooner than later, Sampson was getting a show cause penalty regardless if IU wanted to fight the NCAA or not.
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Oh really? He did nothing in comparison to Wade, Self, Miller, and a lot more. He broke a rule that is no longer a rule, nothing more.
 
Coach Geez said:
Don't bother with these types of people. They're all idiots.

Kelvin Sampson was going down regardless if IU was on board or not. Same thing will happen to Will Wade. He'll get a show cause penalty that physically disallows him from coaching college basketball no matter how hard LSU wants to stand up to the NCAA. How long LSU wants to hang onto Wade will likely determine how hard the NCAA hammers them. IU was smart to ditch Sampson sooner than later, Sampson was getting a show cause penalty regardless if IU wanted to fight the NCAA or not.
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IU was stupid to fire Sampson and so would be LSU to fire Wade. Both can coach and recruit, take your lumps, self-imposed 1 year post season ban, keep your coach that's been working for you. KU will do the same if it comes to it, it's better to have 1 down year than 20, we are the example of overreacting to NCAA BS
 
go_iu said:
IU was stupid to fire Sampson and so would be LSU to fire Wade. Both can coach and recruit, take your lumps, self-imposed 1 year post season ban, keep your coach that's been working for you. KU will do the same if it comes to it, it's better to have 1 down year than 20, we are the example of overreacting to NCAA BS
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Sampson received like a 5 year show cause penalty from the NCAA.... once IU turned themselves in, he was done in college BB for 5 years. IU would have had no choice but to fire him.
 
go_iu said:
IU was stupid to fire Sampson and so would be LSU to fire Wade. Both can coach and recruit, take your lumps, self-imposed 1 year post season ban, keep your coach that's been working for you. KU will do the same if it comes to it, it's better to have 1 down year than 20, we are the example of overreacting to NCAA BS
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Sampson was barred from coaching for 5 years. Don’t be an idiot.
 
twenty02 said:
Sampson received like a 5 year show cause penalty from the NCAA.... once IU turned themselves in, he was done in college BB for 5 years. IU would have had no choice but to fire him.
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Sampson's big mistake was that he lied to them over something minor he should have just admitted, it's not even a rule now, and it's the NCAA, not a court of law. These guys broke major rules and possibly the law but they kept their mouth shut and let their schools do the negotiating (probably a lesson learned from our major FUP). I don't think any of them will get fired, better to keep the coach that is working already and take a post season ban
 
go_iu said:
Sampson's big mistake was that he lied to them over something minor he should have just admitted, it's not even a rule now. These guys broke major rules and possibly the law but they kept their mouth shut and let their schools do the negotiating (probably a lesson learned from our major FUP). I don't think any of them will get fired, better to keep the coach that is working already and take a post season ban
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Sean Miller ended up getting the axe. I'm sure Wade will also, eventually.
 
go_iu said:
Sampson's big mistake was that he lied to them over something minor he should have just admitted, it's not even a rule now, and it's the NCAA, not a court of law. These guys broke major rules and possibly the law but they kept their mouth shut and let their schools do the negotiating (probably a lesson learned from our major FUP). I don't think any of them will get fired, better to keep the coach that is working already and take a post season ban
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Lying to the NCAA, which Sampson did, is the ultimate no-no. Have you not ever paid attention to these things?

-Bruce Pearl lied to the NCAA about hosting a recruit (a secondary violation). NCAA hit him with a 3 year show cause

-Jim Tressel lied to the NCAA about his understanding of impermissible benefits. Boom show cause.

Anybody who thinks Sampson got the hammer because of “phone calls” needs to brush up on their history.
 
HoosierTim said:
Lying to the NCAA, which Sampson did, is the ultimate no-no. Have you not ever paid attention to these things?

-Bruce Pearl lied to the NCAA about hosting a recruit (a secondary violation). NCAA hit him with a 3 year show cause

-Jim Tressel lied to the NCAA about his understanding of impermissible benefits. Boom show cause.

Anybody who thinks Sampson got the hammer because of “phone calls” needs to brush up on their history.
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Enlighten us then, what exactly did KS do that warranted firing other than the texts and lying about them to NCAA? Over Crean's tenure of first baptizing and purification so he could have a very long honeymoon period, we had multiple arrests and a future murderer all while winning so much.
 
go_iu said:
Enlighten us then, what exactly did KS do that warranted firing other than the texts and lying about them to NCAA? Over Crean's tenure of first baptizing and purification so he could have a very long honeymoon period, we had multiple arrests and a future murderer all while winning so much.
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He was caught TWICE committing NCAA violations THAT HE WAS ALREADY ON PROBATION FOR within two years of being hired. Are you slow or something? Sampson wasn’t going to be the coach at IU regardless of what IU did due to his show cause.
 
HoosierTim said:
He was caught TWICE committing NCAA violations THAT HE WAS ALREADY ON PROBATION FOR within two years of being hired. Are you slow or something? Sampson wasn’t going to be the coach at IU regardless of what IU did due to his show cause.
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The two violations you speak of were the f'n phone calls, are you dim? I was asking what else warranted his firing? He wouldn't have had a show cause if the dickheads didn't throw him under the bus for so such a minor violation ... basically amounts to I communicated with you too much, I'm sorry. That's a pretty minor breach of the rules, should NOT have been fired over what's not even a rule anymore ... because it was a ridiculous rule and they probably realized it cost a very good coach a very good job,
 
go_iu said:
The two violations you speak of were the f'n phone calls, are you dim? I was asking what else warranted his firing? He wouldn't have had a show cause if the dickheads didn't throw him under the bus for so such a minor violation ... basically amounts to I communicated with you too much, I'm sorry. That's a pretty minor breach of the rules, should NOT have been fired over what's not even a rule anymore ... because it was a ridiculous rule and they probably realized it cost a very good coach a very good job,
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Someone who willing and knowingly breaks the rules while already on probation for breaking the same rule doesn’t deserve to be the coach at Indiana University. Are you suggesting IU should have been complicit in covering up for Sampson?

It’s a minor breach of rules to do it one time. But to do it again and then again all while on probation? That’s over the line.
 
HoosierTim said:
Someone who willing and knowingly breaks the rules while already on probation for breaking the same rule doesn’t deserve to be the coach at Indiana University. Are you suggesting IU should have been complicit in covering up for Sampson?

It’s a minor breach of rules to do it one time. But to do it again and then again all while on probation? That’s over the line.
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He was recruiting, which is something we haven't done much of since him. He overcalled once at OK and he overcalled once here. That's his sin and saying to the NCAA he didn't think he over called. What an awful individual and coach to not know how many over recruiting contacts they'd done because it was BS and secondary to actually doing your JOB! Yes, I think it was BS and IU should have not reported it, just handle internally. It was only noticed by some conniving student assistant that probably had an issue with him
 
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He was recruiting, which is something we haven't done much of since him. He overcalled once at OK and he overcalled once here. That's his sin and saying to the NCAA he didn't think he over called. What an awful individual and coach to not know how many over recruiting contacts they'd done because it was BS and secondary to actually doing your JOB!
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Oh bullshit. That’s not at all what happened. Sampson didn’t over call by mistake. He got caught making too many phone calls and both IU and the NCAA told him to knock it off and restricted him from making any phone calls during a set period, and in an attempt to deceit both IU compliance and NCAA officials would join in on 3 way calls to make it look like he wasn’t the one initiating contact. He knew exactly what he was doing regardless of how petty it may be in todays game.

Making Kelvin Sampson some kind of martyr in all this is not the hill you want to die on.
 
HoosierTim said:
Oh bullshit. That’s not at all what happened. Sampson didn’t over call by mistake. He got caught making too many phone calls and both IU and the NCAA told him to knock it off and restricted him from making any phone calls during a set period, and in an attempt to deceit both IU compliance and NCAA officials would join in on 3 way calls to make it look like he wasn’t the one initiating contact. He knew exactly what he was doing regardless of how petty it may be in todays game.

Making Kelvin Sampson some kind of martyr in all this is not the hill you want to die on.
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Regardless of how you want to paint it, the fact of the matter is he was fired for recruiting too hard and basically doing his job!
 
LSU isn't a blue blood... they'll suffer dearly. Kansas will continue to say FU to the NCAA and get by with it.
 
go_iu said:
Enlighten us then, what exactly did KS do that warranted firing other than the texts and lying about them to NCAA? Over Crean's tenure of first baptizing and purification so he could have a very long honeymoon period, we had multiple arrests and a future murderer all while winning so much.
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I watched Sampson get in the back seat of a vehicle then he had a recruit get in the front seat. This was during a no contact period at a large AAU event. I won't say who the recruit was but I will say that another prominet coach was 15 feet away and out loud, said "The guy just doesn't learn".
 
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