How are we not talking about the brewing bribery-for-pardon scandal?
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If Trump broke federal laws, there both should be a full public accounting of it and a pardon.
Pence is asking for a pardon for the time that he accidentally stared at a picture of Kate Upton.
Fascinating idea. Biden pardon Trump. That could really fvk with Trump’s mind, and his re-election ambitions.
Im torn on this one. Like everyone else, I have severe Trump fatigue. Im exhausted by the terribleness of him and his family. The thought of them getting more air time and playing, again, the victims in all this makes my head hurt. Plus, everyone, Trump cultists and Trump haters know that it is all true. Everything that would come out would be believable by all of us. Deep down, we all know who he is.
But....what precedent will we be setting? The main reason he didn’t successfully direct the coup was because he is incompetent and lazy. I don’t think we can assume that the next authoritarian will be like him. He exposed the weak spots in the system. A smart, motivated person could take this further.
Or Cotton. Or Hawley. Or Pompeo. I think there are plenty of would be authoritarians waiting in the wings.
Eh. I can differentiate between requiring state residents to wear a mask during the pandemic and cheering of Trump trying to overturn an elections.
Of course he is looking to pardon his family. Man, I remember when Clinton, Bush, and Obama all pardoned their kids. The whole Trump family apparently has exposure. Not shocking.
LOL andrew desiderio. listen, sons, daughter, i know i've implicated you in tax evasion, wire fraud, bank fraud, and probably rico violations, and i know that we lost the election and are no longer in politics, but there's some republicans in congress that think this pardon is a bad idea so i'm afraid you're going to have to potentially face the next decade or two in prison. i'm very sorry. but this will give us some good will going forward with mr romney and others
Going from the self promoting notion of making yourself great to Making America Great Again can require some adjustments.
The adjustments include turning down lucrative opportunities which favor friends and family which are unlawful according to rules and laws established for those working for the government.
I would bet Trump himself found all these rules and traditions to be a pain in the neck. Feeling this way, why wouldn't he pardon appointees, friends, and family who found the transition from self promotion to government service sometimes difficult?
Difficult because old habits can be hard to break.
The adjustments include turning down lucrative opportunities which favor friends and family which are unlawful according to rules and laws established for those working for the government.
I would bet Trump himself found all these rules and traditions to be a pain in the neck. Feeling this way, why wouldn't he pardon appointees, friends, and family who found the transition from self promotion to government service sometimes difficult?
Difficult because old habits can be hard to break.
Not normal, but the Nixon pardon did give an unfortunate precedent, being that it was completely vague about the crime or crimes for which he was being pardoned, but instead pardoning him for any federal crimes committed between the date of his inauguration and the date of his resignation. So... it is precedent.
I don't know if such breadth of pardoning power (i.e., no specifcation of any crime) has held up to any court challenge. Most seem to think that pardoning power of the president is absolute, though, since it is an enumerated power.
This is for payments to Biden for pardons, right?I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet.
US justice department investigates alleged 'bribery for pardon' scheme at White House
Heavily redacted court filing, which does not name Trump, comes as president reportedly is considering sweeping pardonswww.theguardian.com
Agreed. Biden will sell out his country for money - why wouldn't he accept money for a pardon?
I LOVE this thread. So prescient. Good job, Goat!
I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up yet.
US justice department investigates alleged 'bribery for pardon' scheme at White House
Heavily redacted court filing, which does not name Trump, comes as president reportedly is considering sweeping pardons
According to the following article, attorney offices were raided about "the end of this summer":
Justice Department investigating potential presidential pardon bribery scheme, court records reveal
The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court.www.cnn.com
"The filings don't reveal a timeline of the alleged scheme, or any names of people potentially involved, except that communications between people including at least one lawyer were seized from an office that was raided sometime before the end of this summer."
The actual court filings discuss communications with "senior White House officials" and say a hearing on the filings was held on August 25, 2020. The filings may be read at this link:
READ: Court filing on DOJ pardon investigation | CNN Politics
The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court.www.cnn.com
And, think about the timing of the August raid and hearing for a minute -- apparently, 2-3 months before the election, somebody with ties to Trump not only thought there was a good chance he would lose the election, but also thought Trump might be receptive to the pardon idea without blowing his stack at the idea.
So, is it possible Trump has known for months that his reelection was in trouble?
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Suddenly all of Joe's family have written him checks. Memo line "Pardon loan repayment".
I think it's funny that the world turned out backwards. Now we have Dems hiding behind pardons and Repubs promising lawfare. Four years sure changes a lot..
That’s what made me look up this thread, I remembered the uproar over the idea of Trump pardoning himself and/or his family. The most corrupt administration in American history was a commonly used phrase back then.
Of course, Joe is the only American president to EVER pardon immediate family members, not to mention basically his ENTIRE immediate family.
Completely ass backwards in four years.
They’re both corrupt. How does this excuse Trump’s actions. Pathetic that the only defense is that the other guy also committed immoral acts.
Yep. And now we will probably have Presidents pardoning their families for the foreseeable future.
I think the proliferation of the Presidential pardons as a whole is bad. Biden issuing a bunch as he’s literally walking out the door just seems gross.
Trump was never this corrupt, especially when you consider that he KNEW they were coming after him the minute he left office.
Joe commuted the sentence of a guy who was convicted of murdering 2 FBI agents, a crime that should AT LEAST carry the penalty of life in prison.
Has a president ever before commuted the sentence of cop killers?
I honestly don’t know.
Leonard Peltier - Wikipedia
The posts reviving this thread from 2020 about Trump preemptive pardons started at 8:38PM. Ironically Trump didn’t do it Biden did.
I said it back then. Just let it go and move on, for the good of the country.
But Trump literally broke a lot of people. You see it in this thread.
Now we’re stuck.
