Have watched several videos of Luke Brown

[oldcougar77]

even if true, that does not add up to 96. you know, 28 x 3 = ____
no free throws? zero shots inside 20? and all in multiple games where he scored 56 points for iu? how many games was that? sorry, a nice story but i'm going to have to call bs. lol. i bet he had to trudge through 3 feet of snow from the dorm to the fieldhouse before each game. too.

That all makes for a nice story but the whole premise of these grand notions of Herculean scoring feats is flawed. Before the 3 pt. shot, defenses were built inside out. The simple math was that the closer the ball was to the basket, the tighter the defense. If a guy wanted to launch a low-percentage shot from 25-30 feet away, what the hell. Let him have it. In fact, prior to the influence of Bob Knight, half-court pressure defense was not a consideration. You played between your man and the basket, and guarded closely only when the ball was within 15 feet or so of the basket.

Comparing players of different eras is amusing, but given the changes in the way the game is played and the impact of changes in the rules, it offers very little practical value to any argument about how good any past player would be in today's game. The old-timers would need a very different skill set to succeed in today's game.

 

[elijawon]

Trey Galloway is overrated. Tom Coverdale was 10 times better a high school player.I agree with Leal,Lander,Blackmon and Brown.It has been stated that Brown doesn't play any competition. I grew up with Larry Bird. Springs Valley was a class A school. We never faced any competition except Loogootee and Washington either. He turned out,well need I say more. Not comparing a short guard to Bird . Just pointing out the competition argument.If a kid is good,he's good.Shooters are hard to come by in today's game. Everyone wants to drive and dunk.

You must have seen a different Bird back then. Orange County was loaded in 74. Springs Valley barely made it out of sectional. Orleans had I think Gilstrap who played at UL and beat Bird in the regular season. Paoli had 6'10" Eubank who played at Purdue "FB" and a guard named Cook who played for Army for a short time. Bird had plenty of competition. Especially the Orleans guy. Cook put up 28 on Valley in sectional and they escaped on a couple free throws.

 

[Lucy01]

He has several things going for him, no matter the competition he’s been facing.
1. You can see he has great hand-eye coordination, a great handle with either hand, and great vision, with his head up on a swivel when’s he handling it.
2. He really advanced physically from his freshman year to sophomore year. Bigger and stronger. I wouldn’t be surprised if he eventually grew to 6:2-6:3 and added another 25-35 lbs.
3. From every report, he’s a gym rat who wants to get better and better.
4. A great natural shooter from the field and the line. He has some stuff that can’t be coached. You either have it or you don’t. He has it.

IU doesn’t need Brown, Bloom doesn’t like him!

 

[TR32]

His long-range shooting reminds me of Jimmy Rayl and his jump shot off the dribble looks like Rick Mount. Know he just a sophomore, but he would look good in cream and crimson.

If he fades a bit like Jay Edwards and Cal Cheaney and has that quick release like Stephen Curry with the Reggie Miller elevation, then he will be the greatest shooter ever. Looking forward to seeing this kid.

 

[channi]

Mount was dangerous. As much a fan of Rayl as I am, Mount was objectively better as evidenced by his career shooting percentage of 48.3% to Rayl's 41.6%. Today's metrics would be able to break those numbers down by distance but my recollection is that Mount was money from deep and off the dribble. His 32+ PPG would obviously be higher with the 3-point line. He may have gotten more shots in close than Rayl and that may account for the better total shooting percentage. I'll let some historian go back and chart all the games to prove or disprove that.

But if there's a kid out there who can bomb like Mount you have to give him some serious consideration.

Rayl consistently shot from further out. Mount was much more accurate and had a super quick release. This kid has some of both of them in him.

 

[channi]

Now the real question: are you old enough to have seen Rayl and Mount play in college?

71 qualifies. I watched Rayl in high school.

 

[channi]

Painter is recruiting Brown

His coach, Jerry Hoover, is a Purdue guy.

 

[channi]

Mount played with Billy Keller at PU.

imagine a 3 point line for that duo.

too bad for PU that their best team ever was during the Alcindor era.

Why is it too bad? Kept them from hanging a banner.

 

[channi]

I'm a little too young to remember Rayl's defense (was too enamored with scoring) but his shot was great but I do remember Mount being a great shooter that probably couldn't stop me more often than the chair that could at a 50% rate.

Think you meant to say that Mount could not play defense. If so, agree. Do not know why he crossed the 10-second line on defense.

 

[jimmygoiu]

I went to Kokomo HS with Rayl. He did not bring the ball behind his head to shoot. Very quick release. Best outside shooter in Indiana hs history. Most of his shots came from the 25+ foot range. I saw every game Rayl played in HS and most of his college games. It was determined by experts he would have had 96 pts each in the IU games where he scored 56 had the 3 point shot been in effect!!

you may want to check your math on the 96 point games. It is not remotely possible to turn the 56 point game into a 96 point game.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

You must have seen a different Bird back then. Orange County was loaded in 74. Springs Valley barely made it out of sectional. Orleans had I think Gilstrap who played at UL and beat Bird in the regular season. Paoli had 6'10" Eubank who played at Purdue "FB" and a guard named Cook who played for Army for a short time. Bird had plenty of competition. Especially the Orleans guy. Cook put up 28 on Valley in sectional and they escaped on a couple free throws.

Southern Indiana has always been underrated.

 

[channi]

IU doesn’t need Brown, Bloom doesn’t like him!

Well, sorry I mentioned it.

 

[channi]

Trey Galloway is overrated. Tom Coverdale was 10 times better a high school player.I agree with Leal,Lander,Blackmon and Brown.It has been stated that Brown doesn't play any competition. I grew up with Larry Bird. Springs Valley was a class A school. We never faced any competition except Loogootee and Washington either. He turned out,well need I say more. Not comparing a short guard to Bird . Just pointing out the competition argument.If a kid is good,he's good.Shooters are hard to come by in today's game. Everyone wants to drive and dunk.

Don't think there were any classes when Larry played.

 

[destewart]

You must have seen a different Bird back then. Orange County was loaded in 74. Springs Valley barely made it out of sectional. Orleans had I think Gilstrap who played at UL and beat Bird in the regular season. Paoli had 6'10" Eubank who played at Purdue "FB" and a guard named Cook who played for Army for a short time. Bird had plenty of competition. Especially the Orleans guy. Cook put up 28 on Valley in sectional and they escaped on a couple free throws.

No Eubank appears on Purdue’s all time basketball roster. Tim Eubank played TE at Purdue 1976-78. Is this the player from Paoli you cited?

 

[destewart]

During the season Luke Brown matched up against Northwestern’s 6-1 junior guard Tayson Parker. Parker outscored Brown 41-34 and Northwestern defeated Blackford handily. Brown failed to score in the first quarter against the athletic Parker.

 

[Hoosiers Rising]

Don't think there were any classes when Larry played.

Well that's true but there was in football and everyone kind of used that as a measuring stick as far as how big a school was.

 

[Tru2Irish]

Tim Eubank was 6-6 as Dave King was 6-5 for Paoli. Gilstrap was good high school but nowhere to be seen at Louisville. I graduated with 73 class. Valley was loaded but got beat by Orleans in secrtional in 73. We were ranked 13th in state. Talent was okay but not great in area. You could tell Bird was way better than rest.Bird graduated in 74. Other than Washington and Loogootee ,comp wasn't THAT great.Pointing out that players can be very good even if they don't face great hs comp.

 

[Stuffshot]

His long-range shooting reminds me of Jimmy Rayl and his jump shot off the dribble looks like Rick Mount. Know he just a sophomore, but he would look good in cream and crimson.

Great shooter, but he won't get away with shooting that shot at chest level when he gets to college.

 

[jimmygoiu]

Tim Eubank was 6-6 as Dave King was 6-5 for Paoli. Gilstrap was good high school but nowhere to be seen at Louisville. I graduated with 73 class. Valley was loaded but got beat by Orleans in secrtional in 73. We were ranked 13th in state. Talent was okay but not great in area. You could tell Bird was way better than rest.Bird graduated in 74. Other than Washington and Loogootee ,comp wasn't THAT great.Pointing out that players can be very good even if they don't face great hs comp.

Jasper played Valley in the Bird years and won sectional all 3 Bird years and the regional twice. Valley played Jasper in the regional morning game and it was a 2 point game, where Jasper missed 3 shots in the last 10 seconds that would have put it into overtime. Valley lost to Bedford in the final game of the regional.

The famous Bird holding the ball over the defenders head and pull it back and drill a 20 footer was actually done in that morning game. I believe that Bird scored 27 and 13 rebounds that morn game. Jasper played great hoops from the 70's thru the mid 90's. Scott Rolen and Michael Lewis both played for Jasper. Rolen still holds the state record with 7 threes in the fourth quarter of the state tournament game.

 

[elijawon]

No Eubank appears on Purdue’s all time basketball roster. Tim Eubank played TE at Purdue 1976-78. Is this the player from Paoli you cited?

Probably. That's why I put the "FB" next to his name.

 

[destewart]

Probably. That's why I put the "FB" next to his name.

Sorry. I missed it. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[tjreese]

My dad was the head scout for Joe Platt at Kokomo HS during the Jimmy Rayl era. Rayl shot mostly 25+ foot shots with consistent accuracy. Kokomo played Lebanon at Kokomo during Mount's senior year. My dad had Kokomo's best defender, Raleigh Grady, guard Mount the entire game. The plan was to force Mount to his left. The result: Mount scored 9 (9!!!) Points.

Still around the area? Can't forget the goose when you talk kokomo back then.

 

[channi]

Great shooter, but he won't get away with shooting that shot at chest level when he gets to college.

Like Curry?

 

[channi]

Well that's true but there was in football and everyone kind of used that as a measuring stick as far as how big a school was.

The first state championships by classes were in 1973-74. There were no classes before that and football championships were "mythical". Matter of fact, Mishiwaka Marian, an eventual 3-A school was, one year, declared state champion before state tournaments were started.

 

[destewart]

The first state championships by classes were in 1973-74. There were no classes before that and football championships were "mythical". Matter of fact, Mishiwaka Marian, an eventual 3-A school was, one year, declared state champion before state tournaments were started.

Which makes the most amazing story in Indiana high school basketball basketball history is that of its first back-to-back State Championship team.

 

[VanPastorMan]

71 qualifies. I watched Rayl in high school.

Holy Cow! You're old enough to be my Dad.

 

[coachv jr]

Like Curry?

like damezi

 

[ufo33]

Two Class of 2021 Players With IU Ties Likely to Threaten Damon Bailey's Record | The Daily Hoosier
https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/two...ties-likely-to-threaten-damon-baileys-record/

 

[ufo33]

If he fades a bit like Jay Edwards and Cal Cheaney and has that quick release like Stephen Curry with the Reggie Miller elevation, then he will be the greatest shooter ever. Looking forward to seeing this kid.

I watched Brown last year as a Freshman. He can really shoot and pass.

 

[channi]

Holy Cow! You're old enough to be my Dad.

Have enough kids of my own. Many people are old enough to be your dad. Sounds like you have a good one.

 

[channi]

Which makes the most amazing story in Indiana high school basketball basketball history is that of its first back-to-back State Championship team.

Think the most amazing story, other than Milan, is the back-to-back championships of Crispus Attucks in 1955 and 56, led by the greatest basketball player of all time--Oscar Robinson. Not many think that because, first, they are not old enough to have ever seen him play, and, second, there was no ESPN. Averaged a triple double for three years in NBA. Truly, do not believe there have been any "amazing" stories since the start of class basketball, unless we have watered-down the meaning of "amazing."

 

[VanPastorMan]

Have enough kids of my own. Many people are old enough to be your dad. Sounds like you have a good one.

So am I in the Will or not? lol Yes, the older I get the more I realize how my Dad is my best friend. I told him that about a year ago.

 

[Lucy01]

So am I in the Will or not? lol Yes, the older I get the more I realize how my Dad is my best friend. I told him that about a year ago.

I thought Goat was your best friend.

 

[destewart]

Think the most amazing story, other than Milan, is the back-to-back championships of Crispus Attucks in 1955 and 56, led by the greatest basketball player of all time--Oscar Robinson. Not many think that because, first, they are not old enough to have ever seen him play, and, second, there was no ESPN. Averaged a triple double for three years in NBA. Truly, do not believe there have been any "amazing" stories since the start of class basketball, unless we have watered-down the meaning of "amazing."

In the days of single class basketball in Indiana, eleven schools won back to back state titles. One of the eleven, Franklin, won back to back to back titles. The first school to do it and the only school to never have a population greater than 10% of the population of any of the other schools to do it was the small Montgomery County village of Wingate which had a population of 446 in 1910, three years before it’s incredible 1913 and 1914 state titles. The next smallest community to win multiple back to back Championships was Franklin which won in 1920-21-22 with a population of 4,900. Next smallest was Lebanon in 1917-18 with a population of 5,400. The fourth smallest was Washington which win in 1941-42 and had a population of 9,000. Every other back to back winner had a population of 10,000 or greater and included two schools — Muncie Central (1951-52 and 1978-79) and Marion (1975-76 and 1985-86) — with two different periods of back to back winners. Evansville Bosse (1943-44) , Indianapolis Crispus Attucks (1955-56) and Ben Davis (1995-96) complete the list of eleven schools. Wingate stands alone as not only the first back to back winner, but also the smallest school in Indiana history to win a state championship. Btw, Milan’s 1954 population was greater than 1,000.

 

[VanPastorMan]

I thought Goat was your best friend.

I do have some liberal friends. I'm guessing Goat wouldn't want to be my friend. I asked him once about construction on 469 going around Ft Wayne because we were driving through and he never responded.

 

[Lucy01]

I do have some liberal friends. I'm guessing Goat wouldn't want to be my friend. I asked him once about construction on 469 going around Ft Wayne because we were driving through and he never responded.

That’s to far for him to ride his bicycle.

 

[channi]

In the days of single class basketball in Indiana, eleven schools won back to back state titles. One of the eleven, Franklin, won back to back to back titles. The first school to do it and the only school to never have a population greater than 10% of the population of any of the other schools to do it was the small Montgomery County village of Wingate which had a population of 446 in 1910, three years before it’s incredible 1913 and 1914 state titles. The next smallest community to win multiple back to back Championships was Franklin which won in 1920-21-22 with a population of 4,900. Next smallest was Lebanon in 1917-18 with a population of 5,400. The fourth smallest was Washington which win in 1941-42 and had a population of 9,000. Every other back to back winner had a population of 10,000 or greater and included two schools — Muncie Central (1951-52 and 1978-79) and Marion (1975-76 and 1985-86) — with two different periods of back to back winners. Evansville Bosse (1943-44) , Indianapolis Crispus Attucks (1955-56) and Ben Davis (1995-96) complete the list of eleven schools. Wingate stands alone as not only the first back to back winner, but also the smallest school in Indiana history to win a state championship. Btw, Milan’s 1954 population was greater than 1,000.

Wingate won, by the way, because that was the only part of the state that knew how to play basketball. Very few high schools played. The reason that that part of the state was good was because James Naismith first introduced basketball to Indiana through the Crawfordsville YMCA, the county seat of Montgomery County. Naismith always said that basketball was born in Massachusetts, but it grew up in Indiana.

 

[destewart]

Wingate won, by the way, because that was the only part of the state that knew how to play basketball. Very few high schools played. The reason that that part of the state was good was because James Naismith first introduced basketball to Indiana through the Crawfordsville YMCA, the county seat of Montgomery County. Naismith always said that basketball was born in Massachusetts, but it grew up in Indiana.

Stating the obvious that anyone familiar with Indiana basketball should know in no way diminishes the accomplishment. In 1913 they best Crawfordsville, Lebanon, Whiting, Rochester, Indianapolis Manual, Lafayette Jeff and South Bend to win the Title. Almost everyone of those towns or cities was ten times or more larger than tiny Wingate. The following year they dismissed with Milan, Westport, Crawfordsville, Clinton, Lebanon and Anderson.
https://blog.history.in.gov/before-...ls-basketball-championships-of-1913-and-1914/

 

[cosmickid]

You must have seen a different Bird back then. Orange County was loaded in 74. Springs Valley barely made it out of sectional. Orleans had I think Gilstrap who played at UL and beat Bird in the regular season. Paoli had 6'10" Eubank who played at Purdue "FB" and a guard named Cook who played for Army for a short time. Bird had plenty of competition. Especially the Orleans guy. Cook put up 28 on Valley in sectional and they escaped on a couple free throws.

And the Mighty Bloomfield Cardinals had the Uland twins,who lived on my floor at Foster and regaled everyone with their stories of playing vs Bird...

 

[elijawon]

And the Mighty Bloomfield Cardinals had the Uland twins,who lived on my floor at Foster and regaled everyone with their stories of playing vs Bird...

I would bet a everyone remembers playing Bird but he probably doesn't remember playing everyone.