I don’t understand why everyone is so high on shrewsberry. What has he done that’s been so great? He’s lost to The Citadel and Western Carolina. He has an overall losing record as a head coach and made 1 NCAA Tournament. Don’t get the hype. I’ve been to plenty of ND basketball home games. The environment is just OK.
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I agree. But he has been given a great opportunity at ND and in the ACC to prove his value. ND was not good at all last year. Only one direction to go.
Oh they may care a little more than normal, but at ND, basketball will always be a distant second to football. Campus is fine.
When they're good, they get some pretty solid support. The teams a few years ago that had Pat Conoughtan, that made some decent tourney runs, were supported very well. And the ACC is a very good venue when its packed, and the team is good.
But obviously, football will always be king at Notre Dame. And when bball is anything less than really good, the support is mediocre at best.
Kinda like IU football. lol. I really hope for 35k+ for Saturday...
IMO, he's not going for the campus, arena, fans, $$, history, rep for putting players in the NBA, NCAA/season prospects, etc.... he's going for Shrewsbury. All those other things favor IU. The weather from Nov-March is brutal too. I think it's the coach, plain and simple.
It’s close to selling out. Down to like 3500 tickets.
Agreed...just saying ND isn't always unenthusiastic about their bball teams.
The hug between Haralson and Shrewsberry after his announcement showed those two already have a very good connection.
I'm sure Jalen got a bag, but as you said, he'd have gotten one from any of his finalists.
Weather from Nov-March is not "brutal", cool to cold...sure. Some snow, but its not like its Canada.
Bear in mind, I've never lived north of the southside of Indy and now reside in SC. But, I think the weather in South Bend from November to March is way, way worse than Bloomington. I looked and it looks like the daily low temp is almost 10 degrees colder and I'm willing to bet they get a lot more wind, cloud cover and precipitation. To me, I'd much rather have the weather in MN than S Bend in the winter. Snow > icy rain/sleet. Weather has a huge affect on my mood, but it would be enough for me to be factor.
Its just unpredictable in South Bend. The averages are formed with pretty wild swings in precipitation and temperatures, year over year.
I would say Bloomington winters are obviously a lot better, weather wise, by pretty much any metric. But as much as anything, they're much more predictable than South Bend.
Meh, I question your mind reading ability. More likely it's the role he was sold. He wants to be a PG.
Is it a bullshit lie like Painter sold to TKR... We'll see in about 14 months.
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Not sure what your disagreeing with. I just said he's going because of the coach, I don't disagree at all that what that coach told him was a half-truth or outright lie. And besides, not like CMW has had any 6'6" PG's blow up and get drafted. Hey, wait a sec...
Was wondering when this would come up. No more calls please...we have a winner!
Apparently Haralson was more impressed by what Shrews did with Pickett at PSU than he was by what Woody did with Hood-Schifino at IU.
Which suggests to me that, in addition to a possible “coach-vs-coach” decision, Haralson’s choice was likely also a “system-vs-system” decision.
And the possibility of that makes me less optimistic about BM. Hope I’m wrong. And I’m aware of the staff’s stated intentions to “overhaul” their offense, but similar intentions were stated a year ago and never really implemented. That resulted in losing McNeeley, who presumably is now trying to convince Mullins to make a similar decision and follow him to UConn.
To be fair...Woodson did introduce some new stuff as the year wore on last year, that benefitted Mack, and even Trey, quite a bit. He also utilized Ware differently than he had TJD, and it worked well for Ware. The end result was still an overall very stagnant, and mediocre offense. But he did make some changes.
IMO the best “movement on offense” I saw last season was when Reneau or Ware was on the bench, either by Woodson’s choice or due to foul trouble.
I think the current roster has the potential to display similar “modern” offensive movement, but I don’t see it happening when Ballo, Reneau and Mgbako are all on the floor. If Ballo averages about 25 mins a game (like he evidently did at Arizona) maybe that will give Woodson an opportunity to experiment with some smaller lineups. I’m aware he’s alluded to that, but he said some similar things a year ago and they rarely did it.
Its an obvious concern. I think, as much as anything, Woody just runs a lot of ISO type stuff for his best players. But last year there definitely was a concerted effort to get more weakside movement as the year wore on.
The good news is, even if he does just keep doing a lot of ISO stuff, this team has quite a lot more weapons that should be able to make plays out of it.
We aren't going to see UConn like sets and movement from this team. But take last years attempts at more movement, and combine that with the new faces on this years team...I'm confident the offense will be dramatically better.
always enjoy reading your posts North. agree with the majority of your observations. but I will point out my disagreements.
2 guys moving (ISO stuff) and 3 guys standing will never get IU back to national prominence, regardless how individually talented our team may be.
fully engaging in a modern college offense will do that. esp with better outside shooting.
I'm with you. I've been on this train probably before really anyone else on this board...as early as a few games in to Woodson's tenure.
But there were some things seen in the 2nd half of last year, that we hadn't seen from Woodson's teams, in the way of off the ball movement (and spacing), that do give me a little bit of hope.
But I'm sure I share your main concerns overall.
