Agreed. Carlyle’s defense really impressed me. Cupps struggles with quick guards a lot. I am loving the idea of Rice, Carlyle, and Galloway closing out games with the lead.
Gotta start Galloway
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I bet Tucker is a stud by March. He is the kinda guy that can develop in this system. Future pro.
They'll be productive, but not as consistently as will he, improved as he be over summer's productive time paid off, easily for you to not only see, but to say.
They'll all be depended upon to spell good minutes. Yeah, I thought Goode would be more seasoned than what he's shown, but its a new environment and I have confidence he will find his groove. Cupps will always be steady in an unspectacular, yet efficient way. I haven't seen enough of Hatton to know one way or the other. He snuck up on me in the roster.
Yeah... no. His on the ball defense was the
Redshirt? Is that still a thing? Why would a kid sit a year when they can go wherever they want? He might be the 4th most effective point gaurd on this team.
400k to redshirt at IU vs 10k to start for toledo, depends on what is long term goals are.
Galloway can't shoot defenses will pack the lane and force us to shoot three's ball. We have to get Carlyle, Goode going. I like Galloway in the second group gives us leadership and defense with the second group.
would think he would be a major contributor; he would be an interesting case study in nil , say if he's content sticking around like Leal at some point will they cut his money or are these deals guaranteed as long as they stay
Carlyle isn't a shooter. I thought we did enough discussing of that in the off season. Leal and Goode are, so if you are looking for players to "get going", it's those 2.
Goode has not impressed so far and it appears little was done over the summer to correct Cupps' shot mechanics. Was hoping they could get him to be even a marginal threat from deep which combined with his existing heady floor management and decent defense would make him a solid backup.
$400K is better than his starting salary at Eli Lilly so why not stay at IU as a backup making the same money as Braden Smith
Amazing to me the conclusions people are drawing after 1 game with a team trying to integrate 6 new players and 2 back from injury. "Bench Carlyle, Ballo's a garbage-man overweight, overpaid stiff, Reanu hasn't improved, Cupps can't play and belongs at a mid major...." what am I forgetting? Oh yeah, "Hatton and Goode aren't good and the team can't shoot despite 37% from 3 and 82% FTs." And here I thought it was a decent showing, all things considered!
it is a bit early in the process. we will know a lot more by Nov 21st. or the thxgiving tourney for sure.
we all wanted the team to come out of the gate firing on all cylinders and looking like a B10 champ and a threat in the NCAA.
that could happen but we ain't there yet.
Of course we're not. We have 6 new folks who are likely to be in the rotation to some degree, and 2 returning from injury. Look at PU, they lost 2 starters and their likely top 3 players are all 3rd year (is TKR 4th year?) guys and most of their other rotation guys were there last year, and they got beat at Creighton and struggled against TAMCC? It shouldn't surprise anyone that we had a few miscues. For an exhibition game we beat what's supposed to be a top 10 team with a likely all conference PG, on their court. Then beat undermanned Marion and a better than expected SIUE team by double digits. I'm not saying it was great, but I totally expected us to struggle for the first few games. As a great football coach once said: "don't get too high or too low, and move on to the next play!"
At some point, "we" have to be realistic on what types of players have the best chance of being successful under Woody. His offense doesn't create a lot of in rhythm, open, outside looks. We can continue to gnash our teeth about lack of "shooters", need to play Goode over so and so because of that, etc... And yes, outside shooting is gonna be a key for how good we can end up becoming this year. But that is going to have to come from guys on the court that can create offense for themselves, can defend individually at a high level, and overall just don't need to be helped a lot or setup a lot, to be successful. To me, that's Rice, Carlyle, Galloway, Tucker, Mack, Reneau, and Ballo. Cupps is fine, Goode is fine, they're both good basketball players. And hopefully they'll both help us win some games this year when we need them to play extended minutes, for whatever reason. But playing either of them, just because they might be better spot up shooters, in Woodson's system, will just create weak spots in other areas...without getting the full benefit of their shooting.
Start Rice, Carlyle, Mack, Reneau, and Ballo.
Sub in Galloway and Tucker... But that's your 7 man rotation. Basically don't ever hockey line sub, ever again. And don't worry about needing a "sharpshooter". Be athletic. Be playmakers.
Don't think there's any way where Goode isn't playing decent minutes off the bench, and also expect both Hatton and Cupps to get minutes depending on the situation. Bear in mind I think Ballo and I know Reanu have gotten in foul trouble historically, Ballo's FT shooting will likely have him on the bench at times so I think it's easy to think about situations where those guys might play important roles off the bench without being in the regular rotation every game. Goode's in a funk, but I still like his energy and effort and we have 4 years of history to know his shooting will come around.... I hope!
Fair post. Oh, and gaurd people. Mac has come a long way, but he is still prone to picking up a dumb reaching foul. IU can't afford to have him sitting 8 minutes in because of it.
As long Gallo gets minutes in the 25 or so range who cares if he starts or if it off the bench. How bout give the current starting lineup a chance to gel a bit and go from there. Seems like Gallo for Carlyle would be a minor adjustment if it is needed.
I think Ballo should start. Once you get to conference play I'd worry about Reneau picking up to many fouls defending bigs. He'll have to do that some anyway when Ballo sits. I'd try to get as much out of Ballo as I can. MR's offense will be needed.
I think Ballo should start. Once you get to conference play I'd worry about Reneau picking up to many fouls defending bigs. He'll have to do that some anyway when Ballo sits. I'd try to get as much out of Ballo as I can. MR's offense will be needed.
*eyeroll*
He shot close to 40 on catch and shoots .. highlight being a 6 of 8 game against Zona. Thought we went over this this summer. That's a shooter, He also had a better overall percentage when coming off the bench and/or playing the two with a PG. His numbers slipped when the PG went down and KC slid over to the lead guard slot. Season ended in a shooting slump, which still resulted in 33%. No he's not a sniper or a pure shooter but he can shoot even if streaky.
Sometimes you make really good insightful claims then .... there's stuff like the above. smdh...
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I like all the new guys. Of course Ballo isn't TJD or Ware... I'm old and I forget: how many titles did those guys win? Ballo isn't as athletic as Ware or TJD but will protect the paint, rebound and get a double double without having to have much offense run for him. He's also good in the pick and roll as evidenced by his working with Galloway at the end of the game. Everyone credits the passer, but you've got to set the screen, make yourself available, catch and score and those aren't nothing skills. Perfect for a team that has some firepower and we have, what, 4-5 other double figure scorers in Reanu, Rice, Carlyle, Galloway and Mbako? A screener and double/double guy fits awfully well with that, and he's won. I like Rice all the way around: good leader, quickest we've had w the ball since Yogi and maybe Meeks before that? Doing well on D too and staying in front of his man. Carlyle's scoring hasn't come around yet, but his D also looks good. Really looking forward to seeing those 2 on PU's backcourt. Mbako looked great and I thought Reanu hit the boards better, still has his O game and didn't foul. I also have liked how Tucker looks and Hatton I think can contribute; like his effort and hustle. So many new guys, no one should've expected a finished product yet and we've won 3 games and won both that we should have by double figures, which was a problem early last year. Not great, but lots of promise and in case no one has noticed, no B10 teams have looked stellar.
Other way around really, at least for my comment. 5th year senior with 66 starts comes off the bench for 9 assists and sparks a late run. What I have said is that he should be starting and have the less experienced defensive specialist come off the bench. I think that is me drawing a conclusion about a 5th year senior, not one game.
I am impressed with how intense Kanaan was on defense. If he plays like that every game good things will happen and his offense will come. But that seems like what we had with Vic in his freshman year, his shooting and ball handling were far behind his defensive and athleticism and he didn't start right away.
“I am impressed with how intense Kanaan was on defense. If he plays like that every game good things will happen and his offense will come.”
Just keep reading that over and over. He’s a sophomore on a brand new team.
there was the one sequence in the 2nd half where Carlyle was locked in and the Reneau got locked in. pressure pressure pressure....shot clock....crowd noise....bad shot.....rebound.....fast break....
It gave me chills because that was Indiana basketball. This team, if they could all buy in like that, could be what their talent says they are. But still I am skeptical. There's a sense of urgency missing. Need that fire to win.
So, put yourself in Woody's shoes: you pretty well know what you are getting out of TG, right? And, he's coming back from injury. And, yes, while he racked up a bunch of assists to end the game, if you watched early, he was rusty and not playing well. And, it's a team game, so again, he's got to play other guys and combinations to see how things work. And, he'd rightly get lit up if Trey got hurt again in an early season non-con game where we're winning by double digits. Relax, TG's gonna get his minutes whether as a starter or off the bench.
Another spark off the bench from Galloway. It was a big swing between when Gallo came in until the next timeout. 2nd half team effort was especially improved, but I still think this team is better off with Trey starting the game.
He finished with 8 assists. 1 blk/steal/rebound, 6 points.
He finished with 8 assists. 1 blk/steal/rebound, 6 points.
