Good Russian interference article . . .

[Aloha Hoosier]

The article includes names of people, websites and some specific examples of fake news that has gone viral about Ukraine (which @Mas-sa-suta eagerly shared here, but he wasn’t the only one) and Harris and Walz (recent example is @Ty Webb iu despicable smear of Walz which he excitedly stated a thread about). These were Russian backed or sourced. Mas, it names the Russian propaganda sites you must get your pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine propaganda from but never link to.

Long read, but worthwhile and could open some eyes - you’ll recognize some of the fake news because it’s been posted here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/23/dougan-russian-disinformation-harris/

 

[mattndallas]

When I click on the link, I can't read the article. Is it from these guys?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

When I click on the link, I can't read the article. Is it from these guys?

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It is from the Post, but it’s a good article with good sources and examples. It isn’t from the editorial board.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

The article includes names of people, websites and some specific examples of fake news that has gone viral about Ukraine (which @Mas-sa-suta eagerly shared here, but he wasn’t the only one) and Harris and Walz (recent example is @Ty Webb iu despicable smear of Walz which he excitedly stated a thread about). These were Russian backed or sourced. Mas, it names the Russian propaganda sites you must get your pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine propaganda from but never link to.

Long read, but worthwhile and could open some eyes - you’ll recognize some of the fake news because it’s been posted here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/23/dougan-russian-disinformation-harris/

Oh Lord, here we go again.

If Trump wins, are we going to be going through a whole new "He won because of Russia -- and he probably conspired with them to do it" charade?

FTR, I don't doubt that hostile foreign actors are putting out misinformation and disinformation. I do, however, doubt that it's having any material effect on our elections or anything else.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Oh Lord, here we go again.

If Trump wins, are we going to be going through a whole new "He won because of Russia -- and he probably conspired with them to do it" charade?

FTR, I don't doubt that hostile foreign actors are putting out misinformation and disinformation. I do, however, doubt that it's have any material effect on our elections or anything else.

It certainly has an impact on individual people. They’re sharing Russian generated fake news and some get millions of hits on platforms like X. One of the perpetrators is an American who moved to Moscow to avoid legal problems here. All the efforts aren’t anti-Harris stuff a lot is to generate more friction and discontent in the US and more anti-Ukraine sentiment. It’s where the two yachts for Zelenskyy stuff came from. Fake news that even made it to this board.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

It certainly has an impact on individual people. They’re sharing Russian generated fake news and some get millions of hits on platforms like X. One of the perpetrators is an American who moved to Moscow to avoid legal problems here. All the efforts aren’t anti-Harris stuff a lot is to generate more friction and discontent in the US and more anti-Ukraine sentiment. It’s where the two yachts for Zelenskyy stuff came from. Fake news that even made it to this board.

OK, but the fact that there are willing dupes out there isn't really the issue.

The subtext of this in 2016 (and maybe once again?) is that Trump's victory that year was illegitimate....which is ultimately no better than Trump's lie that Biden's victory in 2020 was illegitimate.

I'm sure that there were scattered, isolated instances of voter fraud that took place in 2020. I'm sure it happens each and every election. But the maliciousness of Trump's brazen lie wasn't that some votes were fraudulent. The problem was that he alleged that it happened enough that it was decisive in the election outcome -- planting the seed in his lemmings that Biden wasn't a legitimate president.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

OK, but the fact that there are willing dupes out there isn't really the issue.

The subtext of this in 2016 (and maybe once again?) is that Trump's victory that year was illegitimate....which is ultimately no better than Trump's lie that Biden's victory in 2020 was illegitimate.

I'm sure that there were scattered, isolated instances of voter fraud that took place in 2020. I'm sure it happens each and every election. But the maliciousness of Trump's brazen lie wasn't that some votes were fraudulent. The problem was that he alleged that it happened enough that it was decisive in the election outcome -- planting the seed in his lemmings that Biden wasn't a legitimate president.

Agreed. No one knows what the actual impact of Russian interference was but there is no doubt they tried to influence the election. We can’t put our heads in the sand and ignore it.

Trump’s lie is a good example too.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Agreed. No one knows what the actual impact of Russian interference was but there is no doubt they tried to influence the election. We can’t out our heads in the sand and ignore it.

Trump’s lie is a good example too.

Please stfu. Pretty please with sugar on it.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Please stfu. Pretty please with sugar on it.

No. Don’t believe I will. I suppose you’re offended because you were duped into believing Trump’s big lie. Correct?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

The article includes names of people, websites and some specific examples of fake news that has gone viral about Ukraine (which @Mas-sa-suta eagerly shared here, but he wasn’t the only one) and Harris and Walz (recent example is @Ty Webb iu despicable smear of Walz which he excitedly stated a thread about). These were Russian backed or sourced. Mas, it names the Russian propaganda sites you must get your pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine propaganda from but never link to.

Long read, but worthwhile and could open some eyes - you’ll recognize some of the fake news because it’s been posted here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/23/dougan-russian-disinformation-harris/

Why should we care about Russia when we already have The Atlantic, 60 Minutes, and 51 Intelligence Officials?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Oh Lord, here we go again.

If Trump wins, are we going to be going through a whole new "He won because of Russia -- and he probably conspired with them to do it" charade?

FTR, I don't doubt that hostile foreign actors are putting out misinformation and disinformation. I do, however, doubt that it's having any material effect on our elections or anything else.

It certainly has an impact on the content of this forum.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

It certainly has an impact on the content of this forum.

That’s a fact. If you read it you’d recognize several fake news items posted here and believed wholeheartedly by some.

 

[OpenWheels]

I'll wager there's more illegal votes cast then there are votes swayed by 'russian disinformation' .

Which according to the 'there are almost no illegal votes cast' means the swayed votes make up about .0002 percent .

 

[Marvin the Martian]

It is so crazy how fast and completely people buy misinformation. People want something to be true so they automatically believe it. Then it is a race to get it out there.

I am curious about another part of the way all this happens. Look how fast a thread popped up that 60 Minutes edited Harris' comments. It has been a day since we learned Fox edited Trump's. I don't see the same people mentioning it. Both should have stated at the beginning that parts were edited for time, or whatever.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

It certainly has an impact on the content of this forum.

You think the people who post it would vote differently but for it?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You think the people who post it would vote differently but for it?

No, but I still think we should encourage people not to be stooges for foreign actors.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

No, but I still think we should encourage people not to be stooges for foreign actors.

How about being stooges for The Atlantic?

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

No, but I still think we should encourage people not to be stooges for foreign actors.

Well, yeah. I gather that most hardcore political tribalists aren’t smart enough to know when they’re being fed bullshit for them to then pass along and feed to others.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

How about being stooges for The Atlantic?

That’s…a fair point. I guess it probably doesn’t matter where the bullshit originally came from.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

Oh Lord, here we go again.

If Trump wins, are we going to be going through a whole new "He won because of Russia -- and he probably conspired with them to do it" charade?

FTR, I don't doubt that hostile foreign actors are putting out misinformation and disinformation. I do, however, doubt that it's having any material effect on our elections or anything else.

The left will complain about Russia.

The right will claim voter fraud.

It's a cycle that won't end.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

The left will complain about Russia.

The right will claim voter fraud.

It's a cycle that won't end.

Complaining is of no consequence. Promoting the idea that an election was invalid because of it, without evidence, is of great consequence.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Complaining is of no consequence. Promoting the idea that an election was invalid because of it, without evidence, is of great consequence.

I've been consistent since 2016 on these points:

1. We have no idea if Russian interference was substantial enough to change the outcome of any elections.
2. Even if it was, that doesn't make the results invalid. A legal voter's vote still counts, even if their choice was driven by susceptibility to foreign misinformation.

So let's stay away from this straw man. Having citizens targeted by foreign governments, and believing the disinformation that is sent there way, is a dangerous situation, regardless of any elections.

 

[hookyIU1990]

A quick scan of that article doesn't give a list of sites or sources, justclaims of fake stories with links to other Wapo articles that I can't read and bunch of info about some asshole who used to be a cop in West Palm.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I've been consistent since 2016 on these points:

1. We have no idea if Russian interference was substantial enough to change the outcome of any elections.
2. Even if it was, that doesn't make the results invalid. A legal voter's vote still counts, even if their choice was driven by susceptibility to foreign misinformation.

So let's stay away from this straw man. Having citizens targeted by foreign governments, and believing the disinformation that is sent there way, is a dangerous situation, regardless of any elections.

Hillary Clinton has attributed her loss on more than one occasion to Russian meddling and said that Trump was thus an “illegitimate” president.

And, I have to say, it’s a little rare to come across Democrats who have chastised her for doing it.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

When I click on the link, I can't read the article. Is it from these guys?

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Also LA Times..

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Please stfu. Pretty please with sugar on it.

Ignore works great.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Hillary Clinton has attributed her loss on more than one occasion to Russian meddling and said that Trump was thus an “illegitimate” president.

And, I have to say, it’s a little rare to come across Democrats who have chastised her for doing it.

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? My concern is entirely different.