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Given the stunning display of anti-Semitism on college campuses.....

No. Hamas deliberately targets kids to murder them. The IDF is deliberately targeting those terrorists responsible for murdering the kids and has accidentally killed civilians the murdering terrorists are hiding among. There’s a huge difference just about everyone gets.
Technically speaking, there's nothing accidental about it. They know they are killing civilians when they order the strike. They justify it by saying that the civilians aren't the real target, and they are only in the way because the real target is hiding among them, but let's not pretend that's the same as an accident. It's collateral damage, but it's not accidental collateral damage.
 
Technically speaking, there's nothing accidental about it. They know they are killing civilians when they order the strike. They justify it by saying that the civilians aren't the real target, and they are only in the way because the real target is hiding among them, but let's not pretend that's the same as an accident. It's collateral damage, but it's not accidental collateral damage.
True, but sometimes the collateral damage is accidental. The intel is sometimes that they’re in a particular building or location with other terrorists and it turns out the other terrorists aren’t terrorists. We try extremely hard to avoid killing civilians and I’m guessing Israel does too.
 
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True, but sometimes the collateral damage is accidental. The intel is sometimes that they’re in a particular building or location with other terrorists and it turns out the other terrorists aren’t terrorists. We try extremely hard to avoid killing civilians and I’m guessing Israel does too.
Sometimes, that's absolutely the case. But not this time. They knew what they were doing when the bombed they camp, and they knew what the cost would be. I hope killing that guy was worth it.
 

Well here's some amazing stupidity in action here in Indy.

Women gets upset over the Gaza war, goes out and drives her car into a Black Israelites building.... Thinking the group is affiliated with Israel, even though they are an antisemitic hate group.
 
Technically speaking, there's nothing accidental about it. They know they are killing civilians when they order the strike. They justify it by saying that the civilians aren't the real target, and they are only in the way because the real target is hiding among them, but let's not pretend that's the same as an accident. It's collateral damage, but it's not accidental collateral damage.
Israel warned the inhabitants ts to leave Jabalia. Even though it was a refugee camp at one time it became a center for Hamas activity with many tunnels, rocket firing positions, and weapons storage.

 
Not without redefining terrorism.
It’s a mistake to say Hamas October 7 attack was only terrorism. It was uncivilized, inhuman, barbarism.

I knew a WWII P-51 pilot who bailed out over occupied France. He joined the underground for a while. He liked to say he was a terrorist as he helped blow up bridges, de-rail trains etc. That is nothing like Hamas.
 
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Technically speaking, there's nothing accidental about it. They know they are killing civilians when they order the strike. They justify it by saying that the civilians aren't the real target, and they are only in the way because the real target is hiding among them, but let's not pretend that's the same as an accident. It's collateral damage, but it's not accidental collateral damage.
Quite … IDF strikes, could be described as intentional (by propagandists), but are necessary due to the circumstances that Hamas commingled milItary targets among civilian facilities. Perceptions that IDF intends to harm civilians, are thereby ‘manufactured’, and Hamas’ moral responsibility — Hamas’ made it impossible for IDF to pursue military targets with minimal ‘collateral’ damage.

By committing an act of war, I heard one commenter say (last weekend) that all civilian casualties in Gaza are Hamas’ responsibility, by realizing their threat with the invasion.
 
Quite … IDF strikes, could be described as intentional (by propagandists), but are necessary due to the circumstances that Hamas commingled milItary targets among civilian facilities. Perceptions that IDF intends to harm civilians, are thereby ‘manufactured’, and Hamas’ moral responsibility — Hamas’ made it impossible for IDF to pursue military targets with minimal ‘collateral’ damage.

By committing an act of war, I heard one commenter say (last weekend) that all civilian casualties in Gaza are Hamas’ responsibility, by realizing their threat with the invasion.
You'll note I haven't accused Israel of war crimes. I think the argument that Hamas bears moral responsibility for all these deaths is a good one. I don't think winning semantic arguments, however, helps Israel in the long run.
 
Quite … IDF strikes, could be described as intentional (by propagandists), but are necessary due to the circumstances that Hamas commingled milItary targets among civilian facilities. Perceptions that IDF intends to harm civilians, are thereby ‘manufactured’, and Hamas’ moral responsibility — Hamas’ made it impossible for IDF to pursue military targets with minimal ‘collateral’ damage.

By committing an act of war, I heard one commenter say (last weekend) that all civilian casualties in Gaza are Hamas’ responsibility, by realizing their threat with the invasion.
Every death in Gaza since 7 OCT are the responsibility of Hamas. Every. Single. One.
 
Every death in Gaza since 7 OCT are the responsibility of Hamas. Every. Single. One.
While driving yesterday, I listened to every word of Blinken’s presser. He has no clue.

He outlined the US objectives as

  • No escalation
  • Minimize Gaza civilian casualties
  • Two state solution.
In other words the official policy of the United Stares is to perpetuate an unworkable, dangerous, and highly unstable international situation hoping that will lead to peace. The definition of insanity comes to mind.

Wanna free Palestinians? The best way to do that is to destroy Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis. Then put Iran back into the box the previous administration was constructing. The popularity of Hamas among Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank is soaring. So much for separating Palestinians from Hamas. When the official position of the US is that Islamophobia is a bigger problem than anti-semitism we give organizations like Hamas room to exploit.

So, Mr. Blinken, the first order of business if we really want to improve the Middle East is to escalate the conflict to all Iranian surrogates, return to maximum sanctions on Iran ( and enforce them) stop this Islamophobia insanity that provides cover for organizations like Hamas, and then join with others for de-radicalization occupations of Gaza and the WB similar to de-nazification of Germany.

That’s my pretzel-twisted proposal for actual improvement in the Middle East.
 
You'll note I haven't accused Israel of war crimes. I think the argument that Hamas bears moral responsibility for all these deaths is a good one. I don't think winning semantic arguments, however, helps Israel in the long run.
Every death in Gaza since 7 OCT are the responsibility of Hamas. Every. Single. One.
And I head today that Hamas blocked 300,000 from leaving Gaza City to the promised safety to the south. Compelling civilians not to evacuate a war zone is unspeakable.

I think it’s clear enough that the leaflets constitute notice … attacks on facilities used by combatants are fair game. The notion that a date must be given for hundreds of individual targets … in advance … is impracticable, as it sets up the IDF for planned ambushes.

The refugee camp wasn’t a tent city… but a developed area … inside the evacuation zone declared by the IDF.
 
I had dinner last night with an old friend. She immigrated with her parents to the US from Israel in the '70s, when she was a child, because her dad was a political dissident. She is very knowledgeable, very nuanced, very political (left wing), and very intelligent (Harvard Law grad, if you need laurels, later turned special ed reading/math specialist at an inner city school).

A few takeaways that I found interesting:

1. According to her, everyone in Israel understands that Hamas's tunnels must be destroyed and there is no giving on that. The bombings and activity we see know in Gaza are directed there and Israel is providing notice of what they are going to do. There is a split on how to handle Palestinian civilians but she thinks about half of Israel doesn't believe that turning off the water, food, electricity a good idea and that was a stupid move strategically because it just gives fodder to the anti-Israel crowd.

2. She does consider the left response on college campuses to be driven by anti-semitism, although she agreed with me that the majority of young kids showing up to protest aren't anti-semitic, they're just cosplaying as civil rights activists and think this is the cause du jour. After all the talk of safe spaces, etc. on campus and policing speech in the name of empathy, she's really soured on campus activities.

3. She is very down on the Netenyahu government. She showed me videos of voluntary assocations and movements that are mobilizing to get food and aid to the Israeli refugees that have fled the north in fear of Hezbollah rocket attacks or an invasion, along with those from the south. Pretty incredible. But they are doing it, in part, because the government is paralyzed. Netenyahu apparently didn't go on TV to address his nation for a few days after the attack, and when he did, he blamed the left for the intelligence/military breakdown that led to the attack.

4. She thought the government also missed a golden opportunity to strengthen bonds with its fledgling allies. She is furious that Netenyahu didn't immediately turn to the Saudis, Jordan, Egypt, Europe and the US, while sympathies were high and say: this is terrorism. This can happen to you. This radical element has no business in the religion of Islam and must be eradicated. Let us work together to end this scourge and move forward together. (In the same way, it would be a way to isolate Iran). Instead, she thought it a mistake for Israel to essentially say, this is our problem and we will handle it alone, like we always do, because she thinks Israel is already becoming isolated internationally.

It's a good point, although I'm not sure if it would work.
 
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I had dinner last night with an old friend. She immigrated with her parents to the US from Israel in the '70s, when she was a child, because her dad was a political dissident. She is very knowledgeable, very nuanced, very political (left wing), and very intelligent (Harvard Law grad, if you need laurels, later turned special ed reading/math specialist at an inner city school).

A few takeaways that I found interesting:

1. According to her, everyone in Israel understands that Hamas's tunnels must be destroyed and there is no giving on that. The bombings and activity we see know in Gaza are directed there and Israel is providing notice of what they are going to do. There is a split on how to handle Palestinian civilians but she thinks about half of Israel doesn't believe that turning off the water, food, electricity a good idea and that was a stupid move strategically because it just gives fodder to the anti-Israel crowd.

2. She does consider the left response on college campuses to be driven by anti-semitism, although she agreed with me that the majority of young kids showing up to protest aren't anti-semitic, they're just cosplaying as civil rights activists and think this is the cause du jour. After all the talk of safe spaces, etc. on campus and policing speech in the name of empathy, she's really soured on campus activities.

3. She is very down on the Netenyahu government. She showed me videos of voluntary assocations and movements that are mobilizing to get food and aid to the Israeli refugees that have fled the north in fear of Hezbollah rocket attacks or an invasion, along with those from the south. Pretty incredible. But they are doing it, in part, because the government is paralyzed. Netenyahu apparently didn't go on TV to address his nation for a few days after the attack, and when he did, he blamed the left for the intelligence/military breakdown that led to the attack.

4. She thought the government also missed a golden opportunity to strengthen bonds with its fledgling allies. She is furious that Netenyahu didn't immediately turn to the Saudis, Jordan, Egypt, Europe and the US, while sympathies were high and say: this is terrorism. This can happen to you. This radical element has no business in the religion of Islam and must be eradicated. Let us work together to end this scourge and move forward together. (In the same way, it would be a way to isolate Iran). Instead, she thought it a mistake for Israel to essentially say, this is our problem and we will handle it alone, like we always do, because she thinks Israel is already becoming isolated internationally.

It's a good point, although I'm not sure if it would work.
Was your wife with you? How did this get set up? Instagram?
 
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