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They also don’t realize that the greatest coach took IU to the final four in his second freaking year!!! We are now told to wait 5 yrs to make tourney!

We realize it. We just know that it isn't 1973 anymore, and the games are like, televised now and stuff. You know...things change. Sorta like it changed in the 46 years between 1937 and 1973 too.
 
We realize it. We just know that it isn't 1973 anymore, and the games are like, televised now and stuff. You know...things change. Sorta like it changed in the 46 years between 1937 and 1973 too.

So lemme get this straight and see if I can follow the logic here. We can’t have the same standards of success for the basketball program at IU because this isn’t, like, 1973 anymore, you know? Games are like, televised now and stuff, and times change, you know?

Does that sum it up?

If your intent was to come off like a complete dumbass, you succeeded. Congrats...
 
So lemme get this straight and see if I can follow the logic here. We can’t have the same standards of success for the basketball program at IU because this isn’t, like, 1973 anymore, you know? Games are like, televised now and stuff, and times change, you know?

Does that sum it up?

If your intent was to come off like a complete dumbass, you succeeded. Congrats...

I was dumbing it down for victorbear. You can have whatever expectations you want. But...if the game, and overall coaching talent in college hasn't changed, then why didn't coach Knight make it out of the first weekend for 6 seasons at the end of his stay here?

More specifically, do you think that no one noticed that his team's played better, tougher defense than anyone else? Do you think no one's been emulating that since then?

The point about televising the championship game wasn't that TV has changed basketball, although it has. The point is, college basketball was not nearly so popular back then. Because of that, the difference between an average coach and a great one was enormous. Now, it's tiny. Now that there are huge salaries to be had, there are much better coaches chasing them, and many more coaches pursuing them. Quite a bit different than when Bob signed up for, what was it, maybe 50K a year in season 2?
 
Seriously there’s no use trying to explain it. Some of these guys are just not bright. I guess billy Donovan , brad Stevens , Jsy Wright , Calipari etc are not coaching talents. Just like 50 K a year wasnt worth more in 1971. Absolutely an ignorant response. Based off of this logic , Duke should just shut down the program when Coach K retires and not have any expectations moving forward. But a very good example of the type of fan the administration loves. Do expect anything and that’s what we will get.
 
Seriously there’s no use trying to explain it. Some of these guys are just not bright. I guess billy Donovan , brad Stevens , Jsy Wright , Calipari etc are not coaching talents. Just like 50 K a year wasnt worth more in 1971. Absolutely an ignorant response. Based off of this logic , Duke should just shut down the program when Coach K retires and not have any expectations moving forward. But a very good example of the type of fan the administration loves. Do expect anything and that’s what we will get.

Based on your logic, we should fire every coach after two years if they haven't made the final 4. That would work out great...

You have never met me, but swear I'm not very bright. But I'm the ignorant one? You literally don't know what you are talking about.
 
No - year 3 with no tournament berth. And we’re probably supportive of Crean for 9 years. And Glass should go first. No need getting new coach with same AD. Like I’ve said- our bar has been set low now. And if the administration doesn’t care, then everyone, including the fans needs to stop acting like we’re a blue blood and elite. We’re far from. Borderline mid major on steroids. And a nice top ten win every now and then , followed by a rushing of the court isn’t elite either. Big difference between expectations at Dayton and Indiana. And do you really think the last 10 years are acceptable for the 3rd most valuable hoops program in the country??? take the blinders and the rose colored glasses off see things as they really are. Losing 12/13 is u acceptable with the team they had this year.
 
We realize it. We just know that it isn't 1973 anymore, and the games are like, televised now and stuff. You know...things change. Sorta like it changed in the 46 years between 1937 and 1973 too.
I was dumbing it down for victorbear. You can have whatever expectations you want. But...if the game, and overall coaching talent in college hasn't changed, then why didn't coach Knight make it out of the first weekend for 6 seasons at the end of his stay here?

More specifically, do you think that no one noticed that his team's played better, tougher defense than anyone else? Do you think no one's been emulating that since then?

The point about televising the championship game wasn't that TV has changed basketball, although it has. The point is, college basketball was not nearly so popular back then. Because of that, the difference between an average coach and a great one was enormous. Now, it's tiny. Now that there are huge salaries to be had, there are much better coaches chasing them, and many more coaches pursuing them. Quite a bit different than when Bob signed up for, what was it, maybe 50K a year in season 2?
nobody is denying that coach knight needed to retire and that he had lost his coaching prowess, however he did go to the final four his second year at IU, so all this bullshit about needing to build culture or whatever crap you apologists like to spew is just an excuse!
 
nobody is denying that coach knight needed to retire and that he had lost his coaching prowess, however he did go to the final four his second year at IU, so all this bullshit about needing to build culture or whatever crap you apologists like to spew is just an excuse!
As did Mike Davis...do you have a point? Another day and you pull another can of stupid from the pantry.
 
No - year 3 with no tournament berth. And we’re probably supportive of Crean for 9 years. And Glass should go first. No need getting new coach with same AD. Like I’ve said- our bar has been set low now. And if the administration doesn’t care, then everyone, including the fans needs to stop acting like we’re a blue blood and elite. We’re far from. Borderline mid major on steroids. And a nice top ten win every now and then , followed by a rushing of the court isn’t elite either. Big difference between expectations at Dayton and Indiana. And do you really think the last 10 years are acceptable for the 3rd most valuable hoops program in the country??? take the blinders and the rose colored glasses off see things as they really are. Losing 12/13 is u acceptable with the team they had this year.
Was there some sort of point to this rambling load of sh*t?

What does unacceptable mean? Fire the coach? Fire the ad? Both? Then what?
 
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Yeah it’s actually interesting that people continue with the same logic of the Crean years. Guess we’ll be in year 7 with a sweet 16 and talk about how great the improvement has been. People don’t seem to understand banners are not hung by losing 12/13 or by making excuses....his players , injuries, wait until next year, etc. Heard it all with Crean as well. Must be a new age fan that just doesn’t get it. Do they even realize we were the Duke of college hoops before Duke?? From 72-73 through 92-93 we went to the final four approximately every 5-6 years. And won 3 championships with 2 others that were in reach. So yeah, I guess we’re crazy for wanting that type of program again.
the inordinate number of injuries this year is a reason, not an excuse. there is a difference
 
Doesnt matter. Im not interested in NCAA Tounament. I watch HS basketball and NBA now with IU not competitive. It's why i hate football, my high school and IU never win College football sux. Same warm weather schools win every year.
 
I have mixed feelings about this. Initially I go back to that old maxim from my football days (before spiking was a penalty). That is if you are fortunate enough to reach the end zone, act like you have been there before. I was on campus from 1974-1977, and saw the height of the Bob Knight era. I don't remember anyone rushing the court following a victory at Assembly Hall.

Here is what I see as being different. My generation was raised with parents who instilled discipline from a young age. They set the limits and you knew the consequences if you pushed the envelope too far. Same in school. If you were sent to the Principal's office, chances are you would have an encounter with the "Board of Education". If you went home and complained to Mom and Dad about how you were abused at school, they would laugh at you, and probably inflict discipline of their own. When we got to college, we understood that the people in charge set the rules and you followed them. If you were told not go on the Court and there were security guards around the Court, you knew that if you made it onto the Court, you would be tackled, subdued and probably charged with trespass.

With today's generation, there are no absolute rules. These are merely suggestions for conduct.if they violate one of these there are no consequences. Dean Wormer simply puts them on double secret probation. If someone in School tries to discipline them, they take it home to the parents, and Mom and Dad show at school the next day with their Lawyer to remind the School District of how expensive it will be to go through litigation. If they are offended by anything, they complain loud and long and expect someone to correct the problem for them.

While I don't condone the behavior of rushing the Court, I understand how this generation may think this is acceptable behavior. And last of all, Get off my grass whippersnapper.

I was on campus 1968 to1971. My memories are very different.

I remember authority being challenged at every level: students occupying buildings, spontaneous demonstrations and protests in the academic buildings during classes, students throwing blood on the walls (red paint) outside of the ROTC classrooms, students being encouraged by soap-box speakers in Dunn Meadow to NOT trust anyone over 30, week-long student strikes every spring . . .

But I agree on rushing the court. Each generation of students will do what the feel they want to do. However, students have to remember that their behavior has consequences.

I think the Big 10 can sanction the school if it does not control rushing the court. These sanctions may hurt the team financially and possibly prevent IU from being a host team in tournaments.
 
Based on your logic, we should fire every coach after two years if they haven't made the final 4. That would work out great...

You have never met me, but swear I'm not very bright. But I'm the ignorant one? You literally don't know what you are talking about.
Why is it that these discussions QUICKLY evolve into name calling and personal attacks?
 
nobody is denying that coach knight needed to retire and that he had lost his coaching prowess, however he did go to the final four his second year at IU, so all this bullshit about needing to build culture or whatever crap you apologists like to spew is just an excuse!

Why is it crap? Wasn't RMK brought in to rebuild a culture of excellence at IU that had slipped? It just so happens that he was an absolute force of nature that comes along about once in a generation. Would you not also agree that building a culture in that time was a whole different process than now? I wonder how successful the 70's RMK would be at IU in present day, if he was brought in as a young coach. Building culture takes on many forms, and those who don't adjust are doomed to failure.
 
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IU is one of the most storied programs in college basketball. Even when we’re having a bad season or decade , we don’t rush the court when we win. We are Indiana , not some long shot mid major. We are supposed to win.
But those cream and crimson pinstriped warmup pants are so darned CUTE. Prance prance prance, fellas! You are so darling and ruffly.
 
I was about to call bullshit on this and go on about how when I was at IU there were plenty of big wins, shots, etc. and we never rushed the floor and didn’t need to rush the floor to have a great experience. But I wanted make sure I didn’t look like a jack@ss, so I reviewed the tape and well...






Couple of caveats: MSU WAS ranked #1 at the time. I personally DID NOT rush the floor as I was in the band and would’ve gotten my @ss chewed or worse. Plus, it couldn’t have been too memorable because I had to go to YouTube to refresh my memory about whether it happened or not.

That said, lesson learned. As we get older we definitely start to forget what it was like when we were younger.


Dang, years of covering up sexual abuse has really aged Izzo.
 
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