Feel bad for Colin
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He's a sophomore and he's getting big minutes. I guaruntee he's not complaining. My God, what a ridiculous comment.
CH is starting for Indiana as a soph....
and is getting big minutes. CH is turning into a versatile 3 position player (4 in a pinch) that will be invaluable to IU and any future teams that he is on. CH realizes the incredible opportunity he has earned and is making the most of it.
and is getting big minutes. CH is turning into a versatile 3 position player (4 in a pinch) that will be invaluable to IU and any future teams that he is on. CH realizes the incredible opportunity he has earned and is making the most of it.
An NBA shooting guard?
There was never any chance of that.
I do get your point about playing out of position though.
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There was never any chance of that.
I do get your point about playing out of position though.
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I don't think he was ever going to be an NBA guard
he is a good college player but I never thought of him being a NBA player
he is a good college player but I never thought of him being a NBA player
bingo..I do believe ...
his expectations/hopes for an NBA career may have flown out the window with his first ACL.... the least he can hope for now is a solid career at IU... which ..... as a sophmore... is looking pretty damn good.... imagine him with two more years of development and weight... Love what this kid is bringing this season especially after being forced into that position by circumstances beyond his control... hang in there CH... we really want to see what more you can bring to the game for IU... stay positive minded and focused... great job...
his expectations/hopes for an NBA career may have flown out the window with his first ACL.... the least he can hope for now is a solid career at IU... which ..... as a sophmore... is looking pretty damn good.... imagine him with two more years of development and weight... Love what this kid is bringing this season especially after being forced into that position by circumstances beyond his control... hang in there CH... we really want to see what more you can bring to the game for IU... stay positive minded and focused... great job...
Yeah, starting at IU as an underclassman...tough luck, Colin
Dreams are made of such.
If Colin was my son... I'd be at every game cheering and supporting the team.
Dreams are made of such.
If Colin was my son... I'd be at every game cheering and supporting the team.
Can't recruit?
One thing he does not deserve criticism for is recruiting. I think he has done a good job bringing in talent. He didnt know that Luke Fisher was going to transfer when he recruited him and Peter Jurkin wasnt going to develop. For the most part, he has brought in some pretty solid classes of 4 and 5 star players and done a good job recruiting locally. With that being said, I cannot defend his coaching strategies. He makes a lot of decisions that are very questionable.
One thing he does not deserve criticism for is recruiting. I think he has done a good job bringing in talent. He didnt know that Luke Fisher was going to transfer when he recruited him and Peter Jurkin wasnt going to develop. For the most part, he has brought in some pretty solid classes of 4 and 5 star players and done a good job recruiting locally. With that being said, I cannot defend his coaching strategies. He makes a lot of decisions that are very questionable.
It's a completely fair (and accurate IMO) criticism, probably just poorly
worded. As you point out, CTC has recruited enough "highly rated" talent or developed it, but as the OP points out, not in the post. No one knows who will transfer, flunk out, get hurt, etc... but every coach has to balance their roster to prepare for these events. It's not unheard of, or even uncommon. The problem as I see it, is CTC doesn't value size like most other top 50 programs do. CTC prefers to play 1 post with 4 guards/wings, maybe a stretch 4 like Watford. He seems to overly value "shooting and scoring" at all positions, and doesn't seem to see much value in a "paint protector" if they can't score. Lot's of other programs do see a value in that type of player, especially ironically enough, the last 2 Natl Champs. Whereas most top 50 programs have at least 4 or 5 roster spots (often more) devoted to guys 6'9" or above, generally 3-4 that can play now and a couple developing for future years.
CTC only wants to play with 1 post spot, so generally he's run with only 2-3 posts on the roster. If all stay, stay healthy and eligible that can work, but it leaves us ill-prepared to deal with any of the above emergencies, and so far, little to develop. We have had a similar problem for 2 years (since Remy Abell left) at PG, and should have identified a PG in last year or this years class, but fortunately Yogi has stayed and has been very durable. Compare that to WI who lost their 3-4 yr starting PG and really haven't missed a beat, and also had their All American starting C go down and have done well, except for the hiccup vs Rutgers when I think both were out. Look at our current roster, we have 1 true starting/playing PG, 1 true starting/playing post, 1 "developing post, and 10 roster spots devoted to wings or undersized forwards (1-2 of which can backup at PG and 3 that have to backup in the post despite being out of position or undersized). What do we have for next year where we are already overcommitted by 2? another wing and undersized PF. No post, no PG. It's a BIG problem and totally fair criticism, imo.
This post was edited on 2/5 10:27 AM by kkott
worded. As you point out, CTC has recruited enough "highly rated" talent or developed it, but as the OP points out, not in the post. No one knows who will transfer, flunk out, get hurt, etc... but every coach has to balance their roster to prepare for these events. It's not unheard of, or even uncommon. The problem as I see it, is CTC doesn't value size like most other top 50 programs do. CTC prefers to play 1 post with 4 guards/wings, maybe a stretch 4 like Watford. He seems to overly value "shooting and scoring" at all positions, and doesn't seem to see much value in a "paint protector" if they can't score. Lot's of other programs do see a value in that type of player, especially ironically enough, the last 2 Natl Champs. Whereas most top 50 programs have at least 4 or 5 roster spots (often more) devoted to guys 6'9" or above, generally 3-4 that can play now and a couple developing for future years.
CTC only wants to play with 1 post spot, so generally he's run with only 2-3 posts on the roster. If all stay, stay healthy and eligible that can work, but it leaves us ill-prepared to deal with any of the above emergencies, and so far, little to develop. We have had a similar problem for 2 years (since Remy Abell left) at PG, and should have identified a PG in last year or this years class, but fortunately Yogi has stayed and has been very durable. Compare that to WI who lost their 3-4 yr starting PG and really haven't missed a beat, and also had their All American starting C go down and have done well, except for the hiccup vs Rutgers when I think both were out. Look at our current roster, we have 1 true starting/playing PG, 1 true starting/playing post, 1 "developing post, and 10 roster spots devoted to wings or undersized forwards (1-2 of which can backup at PG and 3 that have to backup in the post despite being out of position or undersized). What do we have for next year where we are already overcommitted by 2? another wing and undersized PF. No post, no PG. It's a BIG problem and totally fair criticism, imo.
This post was edited on 2/5 10:27 AM by kkott
And they are. Even made the trip to Wiscy in bad weather. Heck
even locals did not attend the game. I think Colin is getting good publicity for what he is doing. He has been able to show of his range in shooting, ability to fight for rebounds, play defense, and his overall court and game awareness. Not much to complain about. If it shooting, he is getting plenty of time and opportunities to show that off.
even locals did not attend the game. I think Colin is getting good publicity for what he is doing. He has been able to show of his range in shooting, ability to fight for rebounds, play defense, and his overall court and game awareness. Not much to complain about. If it shooting, he is getting plenty of time and opportunities to show that off.
He's also getting alot of good looks
Due to the big guys that are trying guard him out of the lane.
I'd argue that his offensive stats would be much lower (as they were earlier in the year), if Hanner wouldn't have gotten hurt, allowing him get more PT and show off his skills.
Due to the big guys that are trying guard him out of the lane.
I'd argue that his offensive stats would be much lower (as they were earlier in the year), if Hanner wouldn't have gotten hurt, allowing him get more PT and show off his skills.
If Cody, Hanner and Noah were running guard drills
then CH is too. At IU everyone learns to dribble.
then CH is too. At IU everyone learns to dribble.
Watford and Hulls
just off the top of my head and Prichard and Roth was here for 4 years and got his degree and I know he had one year of eligibility left.
just off the top of my head and Prichard and Roth was here for 4 years and got his degree and I know he had one year of eligibility left.
Re: Zeisloft
I believe so -- definitely adds another scoring threat, but probably even more on the leadership/communication side of things. As you mentioned, we were lacking experience in a big way coming into this year, and he adds some of that, and that shouldn't be underestimated.
Do wish we would've landed a good big (especially one of of the transfers)-- of course. But given the options, I like the Zeisloft get. Same with Holt (who btw will be one of those very good 4 yr players you mention).
I believe so -- definitely adds another scoring threat, but probably even more on the leadership/communication side of things. As you mentioned, we were lacking experience in a big way coming into this year, and he adds some of that, and that shouldn't be underestimated.
Do wish we would've landed a good big (especially one of of the transfers)-- of course. But given the options, I like the Zeisloft get. Same with Holt (who btw will be one of those very good 4 yr players you mention).
I agree.
But what about Jeremiah? If it wasn't for CTC's 4-guard offense, he'd be getting playing time at the 3, 4, or 5 and he'd be shooting up draft boards like Noah did.
And I feel sorry for Tim, too. I see him transferring to Indiana State and probably going to the Celtics after a couple of years because Crean is doing him no favors having him ride the pine.
DWS
But what about Jeremiah? If it wasn't for CTC's 4-guard offense, he'd be getting playing time at the 3, 4, or 5 and he'd be shooting up draft boards like Noah did.
And I feel sorry for Tim, too. I see him transferring to Indiana State and probably going to the Celtics after a couple of years because Crean is doing him no favors having him ride the pine.
DWS
Re: Zeisloft
I assume you mean how do I know that he adds MORE than those guys who left?
I don't--just like you don't know if those guys you list were a cancer in the locker room, were skipping classes and smoking weed.. etc, etc. We know Hollowell was a turnover machine.
I'm just living in the present and looking toward the future vs. whining about whether Luke Fischer was actually homesick or not. Nothing we can do about those guys.
...on THIS team, and I think into next year, Zeisloft will continue to be a solid upperclassmen contributor.
This post was edited on 2/5 1:16 PM by CO_IUFan
I assume you mean how do I know that he adds MORE than those guys who left?
I don't--just like you don't know if those guys you list were a cancer in the locker room, were skipping classes and smoking weed.. etc, etc. We know Hollowell was a turnover machine.
I'm just living in the present and looking toward the future vs. whining about whether Luke Fischer was actually homesick or not. Nothing we can do about those guys.
...on THIS team, and I think into next year, Zeisloft will continue to be a solid upperclassmen contributor.
This post was edited on 2/5 1:16 PM by CO_IUFan
I'm the president of the Hartman bandwagon...
While he may have had growing up dreams of being an NBA SG, that's not where anyone recruited him to play. Furthermore, both on his school and summer teams, he played out of position at the PF spot, so this isn't new for him, including guarding 7'0"'ers. At the HM level, he was in most eyes a SF. At the MM level, he was likely a combo forward. In many systems there are some meshing of SG/SF, but Hartman is still more toward the SF/PF direction. Versatile, yes, but not in the way you're talking.
While he may have had growing up dreams of being an NBA SG, that's not where anyone recruited him to play. Furthermore, both on his school and summer teams, he played out of position at the PF spot, so this isn't new for him, including guarding 7'0"'ers. At the HM level, he was in most eyes a SF. At the MM level, he was likely a combo forward. In many systems there are some meshing of SG/SF, but Hartman is still more toward the SF/PF direction. Versatile, yes, but not in the way you're talking.
I don't understand when people make this assumption
about intangibles (leadership) that Ziesloft brings to the table. He is a good shooter, a streaky shooter. He has games like Wednesday night and he has games when he's off for the entire night. He's an adequate ball handler. Too turnover prone. He's not a good defender. He's Matt Roth on the nights he's "on".
You're not the first person I've seen post about the "leadership" thing. I'm not trying to rip the guy but I think if there's a big dependence on NZ, it's not a good thing.
about intangibles (leadership) that Ziesloft brings to the table. He is a good shooter, a streaky shooter. He has games like Wednesday night and he has games when he's off for the entire night. He's an adequate ball handler. Too turnover prone. He's not a good defender. He's Matt Roth on the nights he's "on".
You're not the first person I've seen post about the "leadership" thing. I'm not trying to rip the guy but I think if there's a big dependence on NZ, it's not a good thing.
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