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Comey only lacked sufficient evidence of intent. That seems really easily proven to me and I can only hope they have found something solid. They are causing a heck of a sh!tstorm if this is all about nothing.
I'm not sure of his intentions. Opening an investigation against his potential future boss isn't god for job security unless he found out she was going to replace him. Politicians do what is good for preserving their power or for money. I believe he is gone either way, so maybe he is doing what he wanted to do in the first place. I;m sure there was some details they chose to ignore in the first investigations. Maybe they just "found" them.

Like I said, you can't trust anyone. The real reasons would probably surprise us. Maybe we shouldn't be surprised about anything.
 
If the emails were not to or from Clinton, the only reason they are relevant is because they are at unauthorized locations and on unauthorized devices.
We don't know that the "new" emails are relevant. We know only that FBI is now seeking to determine whether they "may be pertinent", and if so whether FBI might reassess its decision to stick a fork in eGhazi!.

All of your "reasoning" proceeds from baseless assumptions about what the facts are. In reality, though, all that has actually happened is that, having told Congress that his investigation was complete, Comey decided to tell Congress that he now has to look at more emails. This is all it takes to induce onanistic excesses from you guys.
 
Clinton has called for a full disclosure by the FBI of what the FBI has. That's about as good a response as one could ask for under the circumstances.

The question I have is why on God's green earth would ANYBODY have anything to do with Anthony Weiner after the sexting scandals a few years ago.
She knows the FBI won't release anything in an ongoing investigation before the election. I'm sure she really doesn't want the details released.
 
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You're flailing again.

This whole thing was triggered by a FOIA request that led to an interagency process to determine which of Hillary's emails could be released. Hillary and the State Department argued that the emails weren't classified and should be released. In many cases, the intelligence community concluded otherwise. Your confidence that this conclusion is right and her conclusion is wrong is baseless, because you have no idea what's actually in the emails that aren't being released. This doesn't trouble you, because Clinton.

In any event, nothing you said had anything to do with what is actually happening now. It's just you trying to obscure your ill-considered claims in this thread.

Still wrong

Keep your full time job.
 
You need to find a new and better porno site to stimulate your fantasies.
You really aren't very good at this.

Let me help you: You're the one who's fantasizing. I'm the one who's explaining what's actually going on. Your version is titillating. Mine isn't.
 
You really aren't very good at this.

Let me help you: You're the one who's fantasizing. I'm the one who's explaining what's actually going on. Your version is titillating. Mine isn't.

Hahaha

I'm not the one who sees titllation in what people say about politics.
 
Another report to be aware of:

There is no indication the emails in question were withheld by Clinton during the investigation, the law enforcement official told Newsweek, nor does the discovery suggest she did anything illegal. Also, none of the emails were to or from Clinton, the official said. Moreover, despite the widespread claims in the media that this development had prompted the FBI to “reopen” of the case, it did not; such investigations are never actually closed, and it is common for law enforcement to discover new information that needs to be examined.

. . . The FBI found the new evidence during an unrelated inquiry into former Democratic Congressman Anthony Weiner regarding an allegation that he sent illicit, sexual text messages to an underage girl in North Carolina. In the course of that investigation, agents seized a laptop computer Weiner shared with his wife, Huma Abedin, a longtime Clinton aide who has already been questioned by the FBI during its investigation. The bureau found the emails now being examined on this shared device, which agents obtained some time ago.

This new evidence relates to how Abedin managed her emails. She maintained four email accounts—an unclassified State Department account, another on the clintonemail.com domain and a third on Yahoo. The fourth was linked to her husband’s account; she used it to support his activities when he was running for Congress, investigative records show. Abedin, who did not know Clinton used a private server for her emails, told the bureau in an April interview that she used the account on the clintonemail.com domain only for issues related to the Secretary’s personal affairs, such as communicating with her friends. For work-related records, Abedin primarily used the email account provided to her by the State Department.

Because Clinton preferred to read documents on paper rather than on a screen, emails and other files were often printed out and provided to her either at her office or home, where they were delivered in a diplomatic pouch by a security agent. Abedin, like many State Department officials, found the government network technology to be cumbersome, and she had great trouble printing documents there, investigative records show. As a result, she sometimes transferred emails from her unclassified State Department account to either her Yahoo account or her account on Clinton’s server, and printed the emails from there.

. . . This procedure for printing documents, the government official says, appears to be how the newly discovered emails ended up on the laptop shared by Abedin and her husband. It is unclear whether any of those documents were downloaded onto the laptop off of her personal email accounts or were saved on an external storage device, such as a flash drive, and then transferred to the shared computer. There is also evidence that the laptop was used to send emails from Abedin to Clinton; however, none of those emails are the ones being examined by the FBI. Moreover, unless she was told by Abedin in every instance, Clinton could not have known what device her aide was using to transmit electronic information to her.
We mostly don't yet know what the facts are, but it's worth noting published reports that the "new" emails have little if anything to do with Hillary Clinton.
 
More on just how extraordinary Comey's announcement was:

Senior Justice Department officials warned the FBI that Director James B. Comey’s decision to notify Congress about renewing the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server was not consistent with long-standing practices of the department, according to officials familiar with the discussions.

The bureau told Justice Department officials that Comey intended to inform lawmakers of newly discovered emails. These officials told the FBI the department’s position “that we don’t comment on an ongoing investigation. And we don’t take steps that will be viewed as influencing an election,” said one Justice Department official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the high-level conversations.

“Director Comey understood our position. He heard it from Justice leadership,” the official said. “It was conveyed to the FBI, and Comey made an independent decision to alert the Hill. He is operating independently of the Justice Department. And he knows it.”

. . . In a memo explaining his decision to FBI employees soon after he sent his letter to Congress, Comey said he felt “an obligation to do so given that I testified repeatedly in recent months that our investigation was completed."

“Of course, we don’t ordinarily tell Congress about ongoing investigations, but here I feel I also think it would be misleading to the American people were we not to supplement the record,” Comey wrote to his employees.

. . . Comey acknowledged that the FBI does not yet know the import of the newly discovered emails. “Given that we don’t know the significance of this newly discovered collection of emails, I don’t want to create a misleading impression,” Comey wrote.

. . . Comey’s action has been blasted by some former Justice Department officials, Clinton campaign officials and Democratic members of Congress.

“Without knowing how many emails are involved, who wrote them, when they were written or their subject matter, it’s impossible to make any informed judgment on this development,” said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who called the release “appalling.”

“However, one thing is clear: Director Comey’s announcement played right into the political campaign of Donald Trump, who is already using the letter for political purposes. And all of this just 11 days before the election,” Feinstein said.

Matthew Miller, a former Justice Department spokesman in the Obama administration, said the FBI rarely releases information about ongoing criminal investigations and does not release information about federal investigations this close to political elections.

“Comey’s behavior in this case from the beginning has been designed to protect his reputation for independence no matter the consequences to the public, to people under investigation or to the FBI’s own integrity,” Miller said.

. . . Nick Ackerman, a former federal prosecutor in New York and an assistant special Watergate prosecutor, said Comey “had no business writing to Congress about supposed new emails that neither he nor anyone in the FBI has ever reviewed.”

He added: “It is not the function of the FBI director to be making public pronouncements about an investigation, never mind about an investigation based on evidence that he acknowledges may not be significant.”​
 
More:

Across Pennsylvania Avenue from the F.B.I., Justice Department officials were said to be deeply upset about Mr. Comey’s decision to go to Congress with the new information before it had been adequately investigated.

That decision, said several officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity, appeared to contradict longstanding Justice Department guidelines discouraging any actions close to an election that could influence the outcome.

One official complained that no one at the F.B.I. or the Justice Department is even certain yet whether any of the emails included national security material or was relevant to the investigation into whether Mrs. Clinton had mishandled classified material in her use of a private email server.

“The F.B.I. has a history of extreme caution near Election Day so as not to influence the results,” Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, said in a statement. “Today’s break from that tradition is appalling.”

“Was this information Congress needed to know urgently? Of course not,” said Matthew Miller, a Clinton supporter who was the chief spokesman at the Justice Department under former Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.

Some Republicans praised Mr. Comey on Friday for his integrity and independence in coming forward with the new information. But praise was largely drowned out by criticism, with even some of Mrs. Clinton’s biggest opponents upset at Mr. Comey’s sudden re-emergence in what they said was a bungled case.

. . . “This is as bad for Comey as it is for Hillary,” said Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch, a conservative advocacy group that has successfully sued for access to thousands of Mrs. Clinton’s private emails.

Mr. Fitton said the cryptic nature of Mr. Comey’s letter to Congress begged for an explanation of what new material the F.B.I. had found, whether it involved national security material relevant to the initial investigation, and why it was not found earlier.

“This letter raises all sorts of questions that Comey and the F.B.I. should have to answer,” Mr. Fitton said. “They can’t roll this out in the middle of a presidential campaign and just leave it at that.”​
 
What goes around comes around

This whole sad mess is solely the result of Hillary's irrational and illegal efforts to keep the public business secret and to keep her in total control. Now her dream of being POTUS might be torpedoed because material which is normally secret must, because of a series of circumstances, be disclosed and made public.

But she likely won't get this and will go on blaiming Comey.

BTW, I disagree with you a little about your overall point. Reopening a completed investigation has a little higher threshold than starting a new one. The location of these emails in and of themselves is as, or more, important than their content.
What's wrong with keeping email secret? Why is that so clearly a critical aspect of public business?

The content of phone calls aren't recorded. Private conversations aren't recorded. Why is it so critical that we demand preservation of (if we do) and access to government emails?

My only experience is in the private sector, but why not do away with email as it's understood here? Why preserve it longer than a couple weeks (other than what sender and recipient decide to do with it)? Why not use instant messaging that can't be recorded instead?

Why is it so corrupt for Hillary not to want the public to see her private conversations? Why is that so obviously an indicator of corruption? I'm not saying that there's nothing to see here, but why is it so unequivocally clear that email secrecy is inherently corrupt?

The first answer is that it's against the rules. But that's not really a satisfactory answer. What's the purpose for the rule. If it weren't against the rules, would it be different?
 
I'd bet good money that Weiner nor Comey are lifting weights right now, or flying planes, cleaning any weapons, putting on a neck tie too tight.

I bet their hunkered down in a locked room of an undisclosed location for fear of " sudden impulsive" suicidal thoughts.
We can expect the parking lot at Ft. Marcy Park to remain empty for the foreseeable future.
 
Total lunacy.
Perhaps. It's lunacy forged by years of the Clinton's conducting their public lives along the grey margins of what is ethical and moral. I'm just an observer. Your disdain should be aimed toward them.
 
Perhaps. It's lunacy forged by years of the Clinton's conducting their public lives along the grey margins of what is ethical and moral. I'm just an observer. Your disdain should be aimed toward them.
"Perhaps". No, I'll appropriately aim my disdain squarely where it belongs.
 
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What's wrong with keeping email secret? Why is that so clearly a critical aspect of public business?

The content of phone calls aren't recorded. Private conversations aren't recorded. Why is it so critical that we demand preservation of (if we do) and access to government emails?

My only experience is in the private sector, but why not do away with email as it's understood here? Why preserve it longer than a couple weeks (other than what sender and recipient decide to do with it)? Why not use instant messaging that can't be recorded instead?

Why is it so corrupt for Hillary not to want the public to see her private conversations? Why is that so obviously an indicator of corruption? I'm not saying that there's nothing to see here, but why is it so unequivocally clear that email secrecy is inherently corrupt?

The first answer is that it's against the rules. But that's not really a satisfactory answer. What's the purpose for the rule. If it weren't against the rules, would it be different?

Those are legit questions

I largely agree with you--there is too much disclosure. But the law is the law. I am intimately familiar with the Colorado Open Records Act which is similar to its federal counterpart. The law is a real piece of work. The law is pretty much written by the lobbyists for the media industry. Their stock in trade is public controversy and the best way to develop that is through the documents and off the cuff conversations of of public officials. Emails largely take the place of phone calls, the latter are not "records," the former are. Every time the courts interpret the law in a way not acceptable to the media, you can bet your sweet bippy that there will be amendments proposed in the next legislative session. The politicians think it is too risky to oppose the media on disclosure laws, that is why they are out of hand.

Recognizing the problems with the law, Hillary was stupid to the extreme with her email server. I first believed her that she was "counseled" to set it up this way. It now appears obvious that all of it was her idea and her staff covered for her as best they could. Even in our little 'ol county government people knew the difference between the public and private servers. People knew how to mark emails on the public server so they would not go to the publicly accessible email box. I assume the federal government has similar protocols. None of that seemed to satisfy Hillary. She had to do it her way. Now she is paying. Now we all will pay. Her presidency will be covered with her stench and she won't be able to bleach bit that.
 
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Those are legit questions

I largely agree with you--there is too much disclosure. But the law is the law. I am intimately familiar with the Colorado Open Records Act which is similar to its federal counterpart. The law is a real piece of work. The law is pretty much written by the lobbyists for the media industry. Their stock in trade is public controversy and the best way to develop that is through the documents and off the cuff conversations of of public officials. Emails largely take the place of phone calls, the latter are not "records," the former are. Every time the courts interpret the law in a way not acceptable to the media, you can bet your sweet bippy that there will be amendments proposed in the next legislative session. The politicians think it is too risky to oppose the media on disclosure laws, that is why they are out of hand.

Recognizing the problems with the law, Hillary was stupid to the extreme with her email server. I first believed her that she was "counseled" to set it up this way. It now appears obvious that all of it was her idea and her staff covered for her as best they could. Even in our little 'ol county government people knew the difference between the public and private servers. People knew how to mark emails on the public server so they would not go to the publicly accessible email box. I assume the federal government has similar protocols. None of that seemed to satisfy Hillary. She had to do it her way. Now she is paying. Now we all will pay. Her presidency will be covered with her stench and she won't be able to bleach bit that.
I might distinguish 'disclosure' from 'transparency'. I would at least like plenty of the latter even if that doesn't necessarily mean endless amounts of the former.
 
Those are legit questions

I largely agree with you--there is too much disclosure. But the law is the law. I am intimately familiar with the Colorado Open Records Act which is similar to its federal counterpart. The law is a real piece of work. The law is pretty much written by the lobbyists for the media industry. Their stock in trade is public controversy and the best way to develop that is through the documents and off the cuff conversations of of public officials. Emails largely take the place of phone calls, the latter are not "records," the former are. Every time the courts interpret the law in a way not acceptable to the media, you can bet your sweet bippy that there will be amendments proposed in the next legislative session. The politicians think it is too risky to oppose the media on disclosure laws, that is why they are out of hand.

Recognizing the problems with the law, Hillary was stupid to the extreme with her email server. I first believed her that she was "counseled" to set it up this way. It now appears obvious that all of it was her idea and her staff covered for her as best they could. Even in our little 'ol county government people knew the difference between the public and private servers. People knew how to mark emails on the public server so they would not go to the publicly accessible email box. I assume the federal government has similar protocols. None of that seemed to satisfy Hillary. She had to do it her way. Now she is paying. Now we all will pay. Her presidency will be covered with her stench and she won't be able to bleach bit that.

I'm sure you, and all other republicans, were ready to be at least partially supportive of Hillary until this new "bombshell".
 
Matthew Miller, former director of DOJ's public affairs office, offers what I think is a persuasive case that Comey has strayed from well-established practice to protect the FBI's (and more pointedly, his own) reputation:

Justice traditionally bends over backward to avoid taking any action that might be seen by the public as influencing an election, often declining to even take private steps that might become public in the 60 days leading up to an election. For an example, in one case of which I am aware, the FBI opened an investigation into a high-ranking public official shortly before an election but delayed sending any subpoenas until after the election for fear that they might leak and unfairly tarnish the official. Indeed, that investigation ultimately concluded with no charges.

Comey’s subordinates have argued through anonymous quotes to reporters that he felt compelled to update Congress because of his previous explanations to them. But that just exposes how ill-advised his earlier statements were. Furthermore, even if he felt compelled to update Congress at some point, he could have followed Justice guidelines and done so after the election.

. . . He is without a doubt an outstanding lawyer and public servant. But as he has carefully nurtured his reputation for independence and integrity, he seems to have become intoxicated by the plaudits that have come his way. That praise has emboldened him to ignore the rules that apply to others, both because he believes in his own reputation and because he wants to thwart critics such as Republicans in Congress who might question it.

This case in particular has exposed how Comey’s self-regard can veer into self-righteousness, a belief that only he can fairly adjudicate the appropriateness of others’ conduct, and that the rules that apply to every other Justice Department employee are too quaint to restrict a man of his unquestionable ethics.

That is a dangerous trait. The director of the FBI has great power at his disposal. Congress has seen to fit to provide FBI directors with nearly unfettered independence, including a 10-year term designed to stretch beyond any one president’s tenure.

With that independence comes a responsibility to adhere to the rules that protect the rights of those whom the FBI investigates. Comey has failed that standard repeatedly in his handling of the Clinton investigation.
I agree that Comey was in a no-win situation: He'd be attacked politically no matter what he did. But according to the reports I've seen, that's the sort of grief it's the FBI Director's job to take.

It's extraordinary for the FBI Director to wade right into the middle of a presidential election. Based on what's been publicly reported, there doesn't seem to be any equally extraordinary justification for that. If it was a desire to remain above the fray that motivated him, Comey may have made a serious misjudgment.
 
Perhaps. It's lunacy forged by years of the Clinton's conducting their public lives along the grey margins of what is ethical and moral. I'm just an observer. Your disdain should be aimed toward them.
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Matthew Miller, former director of DOJ's public affairs office, offers what I think is a persuasive case that Comey has strayed from well-established practice to protect the FBI's (and more pointedly, his own) reputation:

Justice traditionally bends over backward to avoid taking any action that might be seen by the public as influencing an election, often declining to even take private steps that might become public in the 60 days leading up to an election. For an example, in one case of which I am aware, the FBI opened an investigation into a high-ranking public official shortly before an election but delayed sending any subpoenas until after the election for fear that they might leak and unfairly tarnish the official. Indeed, that investigation ultimately concluded with no charges.

Comey’s subordinates have argued through anonymous quotes to reporters that he felt compelled to update Congress because of his previous explanations to them. But that just exposes how ill-advised his earlier statements were. Furthermore, even if he felt compelled to update Congress at some point, he could have followed Justice guidelines and done so after the election.

. . . He is without a doubt an outstanding lawyer and public servant. But as he has carefully nurtured his reputation for independence and integrity, he seems to have become intoxicated by the plaudits that have come his way. That praise has emboldened him to ignore the rules that apply to others, both because he believes in his own reputation and because he wants to thwart critics such as Republicans in Congress who might question it.

This case in particular has exposed how Comey’s self-regard can veer into self-righteousness, a belief that only he can fairly adjudicate the appropriateness of others’ conduct, and that the rules that apply to every other Justice Department employee are too quaint to restrict a man of his unquestionable ethics.

That is a dangerous trait. The director of the FBI has great power at his disposal. Congress has seen to fit to provide FBI directors with nearly unfettered independence, including a 10-year term designed to stretch beyond any one president’s tenure.

With that independence comes a responsibility to adhere to the rules that protect the rights of those whom the FBI investigates. Comey has failed that standard repeatedly in his handling of the Clinton investigation.
I agree that Comey was in a no-win situation: He'd be attacked politically no matter what he did. But according to the reports I've seen, that's the sort of grief it's the FBI Director's job to take.

It's extraordinary for the FBI Director to wade right into the middle of a presidential election. Based on what's been publicly reported, there doesn't seem to be any equally extraordinary justification for that. If it was a desire to remain above the fray that motivated him, Comey may have made a serious misjudgment.
Much like the mainstream media, he took the pressure of unreasonable opponents seriously and worked that partisan irrationality into the process and thus gave it credence and value.
 
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Much like the mainstream media, he took the pressure of unreasonable opponents seriously and worked that partisan irrationality into the process and thus gave it credence and value.
Very well said. It's hard work to avoid normalizing the aberrant in this clown show, even (particularly?) for a straight shooter.
 
Much like the mainstream media, he took the pressure of unreasonable opponents seriously and worked that partisan irrationality into the process and thus gave it credence and value.
The GOP, and Trump in particular, are excellent at working the refs.
 
But he was your hero then and you loved him now not so much! :) I agree it is beyond pale!

No Dave, I was not impressed at all when Comey held his press conference detailing why no charges would be filed against HRC. You just don't speak publicly about investigations of this sort. He seemed to think then, as he does now, that giving an explanation to Republican law makers is a reasonable thing to do in order to allay their concerns of impartiality. He's learning the hard way, and possibly at our countries expense, that the professional Clinton witch hunters are not reasonable people, and have no interest in the machinations of his investigation, unless he announces criminal charges, whether they're is actual criminality or not.

Comey is in over his head in this game which he continues to inject himself. He would've done himself good to just STFU in both instances, but he doesn't realize he's an amateur that keeps inflaming the situation. He's weak, and feels an obsessive desire to document his impartiality to wing nuts that don't give a damn. He should instead just be impartial in practice, keep the investigation out of the media, and when the inevitable cries of "rigged" come up, tell people to GFT.
 
I realize all of this is hard for you guys. You gotta learn to laugh a little. As an aside, at least the guy in your pic has the decency to protect his cat.
Here's some free advice for unfunny people: it's not funny to tell someone something that you sincerely believe. Joking about Vince Foster's death might be funny - if rather insensitive - among people who understand that it's complete conspiracy theory nonsense. But among people who honestly believe that crap - among whom you are no doubt counted - it's not funny to keep saying it. It's just annoying.

Now, this doesn't mean that you can't joke about your own sincerely held beliefs. But that requires a level of comedic understanding that you are nowhere near attaining. The simple fact that you sincerely hold a dumb belief isn't in and of itself a joke. It might be funny to us, you know, when your back is turned, but it's not a joke. It's just sad.
 
No Dave, I was not impressed at all when Comey held his press conference detailing why no charges would be filed against HRC. You just don't speak publicly about investigations of this sort. He seemed to think then, as he does now, that giving an explanation to Republican law makers is a reasonable thing to do in order to allay their concerns of impartiality. He's learning the hard way, and possibly at our countries expense, that the professional Clinton witch hunters are not reasonable people, and have no interest in the machinations of his investigation, unless he announces criminal charges, whether they're is actual criminality or not.

Comey is in over his head in this game which he continues to inject himself. He would've done himself good to just STFU in both instances, but he doesn't realize he's an amateur that keeps inflaming the situation. He's weak, and feels an obsessive desire to document his impartiality to wing nuts that don't give a damn. He should instead just be impartial in practice, keep the investigation out of the media, and when the inevitable cries of "rigged" come up, tell people to GFT.
How many years of FBI and/or law enforcement experience do you have?
 
something new
Maybe... Maybe not. Thousands of new emails, and only one containing evidence of intent to mishandle classified info* could bring an indictment. That's. Your. Candidate.

*Edit for autocorrect.
 
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None. The same amount that Comey has in politics. Your point?
I was wondering about your credentials for claiming the FBI Director who has many years of experience in law, law enforcement, and in very high level positions of responsibility, is in over his head. Appears that you have none.
 
I was wondering about your credentials for claiming the FBI Director who has many years of experience in law, law enforcement, and in very high level positions of responsibility, is in over his head. Appears that you have none.
I think it was very clear in Morrison's post that he was claiming Comey was "in over his head" with regards to the political machinations, not regarding anything legal or investigative.
 
I was wondering about your credentials for claiming the FBI Director who has many years of experience in law, law enforcement, and in very high level positions of responsibility, is in over his head. Appears that you have none.


Comey seems to be a very good FBI Director, and an impeccable law enforcement leader. He's in over his head when he thinks he needs to inject himself into the political equation of this case, however. That's my only point in that statement, and I stand by it.
 
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