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You are being obtuse.

The FBI went to the social media sites and said that they should be on the lookout for Russian disinformation and not allow it to spread on their site. The FBI and intelligence agencies had been in possession of Hunter's laptop since 2019. They knew that the story that the NY Post ran with was not Russian disinformation. However, all sorts of US intelligence officials ran out before the election and said this was Russian disinformation (knowingly false) but that was the avenue to deliver the message to the social media companies (we already established that they should not be spreading Russian disinformation) and the social media companies did with that info what the FBI told them to do. They squashed it.

So you can lol and hardee-har-har all you want, but this has the appearance of being a concerted effort by the FBI to bury information about a candidate for political reasons. And this is after all the nonsense they participated in around the Steele Dossier and "Russian Collusion". It destroys confidence in them as an investigative bureau and as a non-partisan actor in government.
The laptop that sat in a repair shop for 90+ days. It's realistic to think the FBI might've felt the guy was full of BS, but of course, you want to immediately assume it was being suppressed. It wasn't reported on until October of 2020 by the Post, the hard drive given to them by Guilliani.

Why did the computer make a copy of the hard drive if he was worried about his safety? His father refused to fill out the FBI form documenting what he had.
 
The laptop that sat in a repair shop for 90+ days. It's realistic to think the FBI might've felt the guy was full of BS, but of course, you want to immediately assume it was being suppressed. It wasn't reported on until October of 2020 by the Post, the hard drive given to them by Guilliani.

Why did the computer make a copy of the hard drive if he was worried about his safety? His father refused to fill out the FBI form documenting what he had.

He probably made a copy because he (rightfully) suspected that the FBI would not properly handle the criminal investigation of the son of Joe Biden. And beyond that, who cares? "You violated my privacy by looking through my phone." Said the cheating husband who had just been caught by his wife cheating.

You are making up a false narrative to fit your political POV that is disassociated from the facts.
 
You are correct about Project Veritas. The FBI raided O’Keefe’s house and office over that diary, took stuff that couldn’t possibly be related to the diary, and violated several constitutional protections because it could. O’Keefe has not been charged with a federal crime because there isn’t any. One more example where the FBI acted without evidence,
Looking for evidence of a crime - any crime.
 

He probably made a copy because he (rightfully) suspected that the FBI would not properly handle the criminal investigation of the son of Joe Biden. And beyond that, who cares? "You violated my privacy by looking through my phone." Said the cheating husband who had just been caught by his wife cheating.

You are making up a false narrative to fit your political POV that is disassociated from the facts.
To be fair, I don’t think the FBI was trying to tilt the election towards Biden. I think the FBI was trying to avoid tilting the election at all. But it was a poor calculus and their decrying Russia! had the effect of some tilting.

When it comes to the government, the worst thing we can do is constantly blame corruption when incompetence will suffice.
 
To be fair, I don’t think the FBI was trying to tilt the election towards Biden. I think the FBI was trying to avoid tilting the election at all. But it was a poor calculus and their decrying Russia! had the effect of some tilting.

When it comes to the government, the worst thing we can do is constantly blame corruption when incompetence will suffice.
You haven't noticed a pattern? No one is that incompetent.
 

He probably made a copy because he (rightfully) suspected that the FBI would not properly handle the criminal investigation of the son of Joe Biden. And beyond that, who cares? "You violated my privacy by looking through my phone." Said the cheating husband who had just been caught by his wife cheating.

You are making up a false narrative to fit your political POV that is disassociated from the facts.
Story sounds like the FBI was damned if it did (investigate Hillary), and damned if it didn't (not investigate Hunter). Not sure that's corruption, though. Seems like it cut both ways.
 
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Story sounds like the FBI was damned if it did (investigate Hillary), and damned if it didn't (not investigate Hunter). Not sure that's corruption, though. Seems like it cut both ways.
Doing their job shouldn't matter if it influences anything or not.

They didn't do their job. Period. In fact, they actively worked to make sure they didn't do their job on the Hunter laptop.
 
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He probably made a copy because he (rightfully) suspected that the FBI would not properly handle the criminal investigation of the son of Joe Biden. And beyond that, who cares? "You violated my privacy by looking through my phone." Said the cheating husband who had just been caught by his wife cheating.

You are making up a false narrative to fit your political POV that is disassociated from the facts.
I'm not making up a false narrative. I have no political POV. LOL

I'd imagine the FBI gets 100's of crank tips a month, if not weekly. Hell, if not daily. Nut jobs rolling through Reddit, acting like it's a legitimate news source. They're supposed to, out of hand, believe a computer tech who rolls in, wouldn't fill out proper paperwork, just because he says it's Hunter Biden's laptop and has sensitive information on it?

If you can prove when the FBI came to learn about what was on the hard drive, felt it was credible and actionable, then suppressed it, you'd have something.


Do you give Giulliani full benefit of the doubt that he (his people) didn't mess with the contents of the drive?
 
To be fair, I don’t think the FBI was trying to tilt the election towards Biden. I think the FBI was trying to avoid tilting the election at all. But it was a poor calculus and their decrying Russia! had the effect of some tilting.

When it comes to the government, the worst thing we can do is constantly blame corruption when incompetence will suffice.
We also don’t know if the FBI has provided similar notices to FB about other topics. This is one string that Zuck disclosed on the Rogan podcast. Did the FBI provide FB with any other disinformation warnings? When? About what? Jumping on this alone and drawing any definitive conclusions is inappropriate.

Plus should we trust FB on, well, anything?
 
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Story sounds like the FBI was damned if it did (investigate Hillary), and damned if it didn't (not investigate Hunter). Not sure that's corruption, though. Seems like it cut both ways.

This issue I have is the FBI reportedly had the laptop since Dec 2019. So why did they think it would have an affect on the 2020 election before the Dems even nominated a candidate? And shouldn't the Dem voters in the primary know about Biden's past? And how hard is it for the freakin' FBI to look into a laptop? If it takes a year for the FBI to look into a laptop that a half blind repairman easily cracked, we have bigger problems with the FBI.
 
  • The FBI told Facebook that "there was a lot of Russia propaganda in the 2016 election (there was) and ... we have it on notice that there's about to be some kind of a dump similar to that. So just be vigilant."
  • Russia, in fact, authorized influence operations in the 2020 election aimed at supporting Trump, undermining public confidence in the electoral process, and exacerbating socio-political divisions in the United States.
  • The FBI didn't specifically address the Hunter Biden laptop issue or the NY Post's reporting of it in its communication with Facebook.
  • Facebook users were still allowed to share the Post's reporting on the laptop.
  • Mark Zuckerberg is a weasel.
  • Facebook is projected to lose 1.4 million users this year; it's become a platform primarily for old people.
What am I missing?

You’re missing everything. Also, liberals use to be against this sort of thing, but hey it’s for your team, so who cares.
 
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We also don’t know if the FBI has provided similar notices to FB about other topics. This is one string that Zuck disclosed on the Rogan podcast. Did the FBI provide FB with any other disinformation warnings? When? About what? Jumping on this alone and drawing any definitive conclusions is inappropriate.

Plus should we trust FB on, well, anything?
No. FB needs to be cancelled. They are an enemy of the state.
 
I won't speak for the other liberals, but I haven't responded to this thread because it's stupid. Please don't read any other assumptions into it.
Look who shows up to poo-poo proof the FBI and Facebook conspired to influence the 2020 election. Of course it's 'stupid' to you.
 
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I’m not really sure what you’re getting at, but the post I was replying to suggested that Russian interference in the 2016 election wasn’t real. It was.
Why do you think it was real? Because the FBI said so?
 
I wouldn’t argue that but the more important issue is the FBI choosing political sides.

The same FBI that was led and is still being led by a Trump appointee?

Your argument holds no water.
 
All quiet on the liberal front. They’re perfectly fine with the FBI and DOJ being in the pockets of the Democrats.

If that were true, then there would be an issue.

Even if it was true, I don't recall you complaining when Bill Barr was being Trump's lackey. Is this a do as i say, not as i do?
 
To be fair, I don’t think the FBI was trying to tilt the election towards Biden. I think the FBI was trying to avoid tilting the election at all. But it was a poor calculus and their decrying Russia! had the effect of some tilting.

When it comes to the government, the worst thing we can do is constantly blame corruption when incompetence will suffice.
I believe incompetence is in play in some regards, however, after the past 6 years, I am not as willing to let them off the hook on the corruption side. There are corrupt elements in that bureau that need purged.
 
The same FBI that was led and is still being led by a Trump appointee?

Your argument holds no water.

So what if he was a Trump appointee? If you don't like what a Trump employee does, he's a POS. If you like what he's done, he's a 'good' appointee.

Man, I've missed you. Every time I'd start to feel inadequate, I'd remember that you're still in the world.
 
I'm not making up a false narrative. I have no political POV. LOL

I'd imagine the FBI gets 100's of crank tips a month, if not weekly. Hell, if not daily. Nut jobs rolling through Reddit, acting like it's a legitimate news source. They're supposed to, out of hand, believe a computer tech who rolls in, wouldn't fill out proper paperwork, just because he says it's Hunter Biden's laptop and has sensitive information on it?

If you can prove when the FBI came to learn about what was on the hard drive, felt it was credible and actionable, then suppressed it, you'd have something.


Do you give Giulliani full benefit of the doubt that he (his people) didn't mess with the contents of the drive?
They had the computer for a year. All they had to do was flipping turn it on. Again, you are creating your own reality.
 
I’m not really sure what you’re getting at, but the post I was replying to suggested that Russian interference in the 2016 election wasn’t real. It was.
Well, to paraphrase, it depends what the definition of "interference" is.

Did Russia have computer bots post stuff on American websites that tried to influence weak-minded folks to not vote for Hillary? Of course. Hell, even the German Chancellor publicly stated a preference FOR Hillary. Was that "influence"? Of course it was. Did the DNC try to get citizens to buy lies to vote for Hillary/against Trump? Of course. Did Trump and the GOP publicize lies to try and get people to vote for Trump/against Hillary? Of course. Did Michale More try and correct the misinformation nd warn theDNC and Hillary "you are losing"? Of course. Do all foreign nations try and influence all elections in other nations to their benefit? Of course.

It's selective outrage.

Smart guys like you get to vote and are not influenced by anything you choose to disbelieve. But ... dumb people get to vote too. And if they are influenced - that's the way it is.

The night following very first election I ever voted in (1976) I was visiting a friend. He stepped outside to receive a $10 bill and a half pint of Jack Daniels for voting "right" earlier in the day.

In 1984, I headed off to law school. Rick McIntyre ran for Congress as a Republican in Indiana's 8th Congressional District against Bloomington Democrat Mayor Frank McCloskey. McIntyre won by 34 votes. There was a state of Indiana recount. McIntyre won by 418 votes. Congress was controlled by Democrats 269-165 before the election. Congress ordered a GAO recount. The GAO declared McCloskey the winner by 4 votes, The GAO refused to consider 32 unopened absentee ballots. Congress set up a committee of 2 Democrats and 1 Republican to make a recommendation. The committee said "seat McCloskey - no special election." The Republicans walked out and the Democrats seated McCloskey.




I have no illusions about perfectly "fair" elections. Truth is the first casualty in every campaign. The internet just makes it easier to kill.

PS - I'm still waiting on the video of Russian prostitutes urinating on Trump in a Moscow hotel. Or, a estimate of how many votes that lie persuaded will be an acceptable substitute..

As a guy who voted Libertarian in both Clinton/Trump and Biden/Trump, I scoff at the suggestion that Trump cheated more, and at the suggestion that every legal vote was counted in both elections, and that no illegal votes were counted in either. This ain't my first rodeo.
 
This issue I have is the FBI reportedly had the laptop since Dec 2019. So why did they think it would have an affect on the 2020 election before the Dems even nominated a candidate? And shouldn't the Dem voters in the primary know about Biden's past? And how hard is it for the freakin' FBI to look into a laptop? If it takes a year for the FBI to look into a laptop that a half blind repairman easily cracked, we have bigger problems with the FBI.
Why did the FBI originally take possession? Did they have reason to suspect it contained incriminating evidence? Or was it turned over to them in the hope they would search it and find incriminating evidence? If the latter, that probably answers your questions.
 
You're fine with them meddling even if every American was smart enough to ignore them? (You assume too much if you think it had no effect).
I don't approve, but I am realistic. Some things don't change.

PS - you got a copy of that whore/urine/Trump video? All the lefties who touted it seemed to have gone silent about it since the Russian collusion thing exploded.. How about a copy of the records Dan Rather claimed "proved" "extreme" George W. Bush didn't compete his National Guard training?

Don't piss down my back and tell me you object that its raining.

You want to win elections? Persuade someone. But calling folks Nazi's and racists and fascists won't get you many votes. Neither will claiming the right invented "woke." Neither will phrases like "mostly peaceful" or "what IS a woman?" Good luck with it - but Bubba don't play dat.
 
Forget all the crazy Mules election nonsense. This is how they conspired (illegally) to defeat Trump in 2020. They rigged social media in the same way they accused (falsely) Russia of doing in 2016 but on a much larger scale.
Waaa. Losers just can’t accept defeat. So much fun watching u guys whine all the time.
 
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Well, to paraphrase, it depends what the definition of "interference" is.

Did Russia have computer bots post stuff on American websites that tried to influence weak-minded folks to not vote for Hillary? Of course. Hell, even the German Chancellor publicly stated a preference FOR Hillary. Was that "influence"? Of course it was. Did the DNC try to get citizens to buy lies to vote for Hillary/against Trump? Of course. Did Trump and the GOP publicize lies to try and get people to vote for Trump/against Hillary? Of course. Did Michale More try and correct the misinformation nd warn theDNC and Hillary "you are losing"? Of course. Do all foreign nations try and influence all elections in other nations to their benefit? Of course.

It's selective outrage.

Smart guys like you get to vote and are not influenced by anything you choose to disbelieve. But ... dumb people get to vote too. And if they are influenced - that's the way it is.

The night following very first election I ever voted in (1976) I was visiting a friend. He stepped outside to receive a $10 bill and a half pint of Jack Daniels for voting "right" earlier in the day.

In 1984, I headed off to law school. Rick McIntyre ran for Congress as a Republican in Indiana's 8th Congressional District against Bloomington Democrat Mayor Frank McCloskey. McIntyre won by 34 votes. There was a state of Indiana recount. McIntyre won by 418 votes. Congress was controlled by Democrats 269-165 before the election. Congress ordered a GAO recount. The GAO declared McCloskey the winner by 4 votes, The GAO refused to consider 32 unopened absentee ballots. Congress set up a committee of 2 Democrats and 1 Republican to make a recommendation. The committee said "seat McCloskey - no special election." The Republicans walked out and the Democrats seated McCloskey.




I have no illusions about perfectly "fair" elections. Truth is the first casualty in every campaign. The internet just makes it easier to kill.

PS - I'm still waiting on the video of Russian prostitutes urinating on Trump in a Moscow hotel. Or, a estimate of how many votes that lie persuaded will be an acceptable substitute..

As a guy who voted Libertarian in both Clinton/Trump and Biden/Trump, I scoff at the suggestion that Trump cheated more, and at the suggestion that every legal vote was counted in both elections, and that no illegal votes were counted in either. This ain't my first rodeo.
Good History Lesson about the bloody 8th.
 
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I don't approve, but I am realistic. Some things don't change.

PS - you got a copy of that whore/urine/Trump video? All the lefties who touted it seemed to have gone silent about it since the Russian collusion thing exploded.. How about a copy of the records Dan Rather claimed "proved" "extreme" George W. Bush didn't compete his National Guard training?

Don't piss down my back and tell me you object that its raining.

You want to win elections? Persuade someone. But calling folks Nazi's and racists and fascists won't get you many votes. Neither will claiming the right invented "woke." Neither will phrases like "mostly peaceful" or "what IS a woman?" Good luck with it - but Bubba don't play dat.
Well the name calling by the extreme right seems to b their playbook. Socialist, communist etc. Goes both ways. Nearly impossible in this day and age to persuade someone with your vision. That’s what used to b done in the old days. But when it’s two years on and you’re still litigating a legitimate election it’s fruitless. Not saying that there was no election fraud because there always is. But it’s incredibly rare and in 2020 most of those prosecuted voted illegally for the loser.
 
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Well the name calling by the extreme right seems to b their playbook. Socialist, communist etc. Goes both ways. Nearly impossible in this day and age to persuade someone with your vision. That’s what used to b done in the old days. But when it’s two years on and you’re still litigating a legitimate election it’s fruitless. Not saying that there was no election fraud because there always is. But it’s incredibly rare and in 2020 most of those prosecuted voted illegally for the loser.
Aren't you the clown who was calling people klansman on here? That's rich. Did you forget that? Are you battling Old Timers?
 
Tell us you're easily duped without actually saying it.

Zuckerberg may be a weasel, but he ran the company and he said they cooperated with the FBI to change algorithms to claim Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation.

If the CEO of the company tells you that and you still justify it, you are hopelessly brainwashed.
That’s not what he said at all. Jesus just watch the clip.
 
The FBI didn’t ask FB to suppress the Hunter story. They tipped FB off to the fact that Russian propaganda farms were going to dump a bunch of false stories prior to the 2020 election which they did. And still do. The Hunter story was allowed to be shared on FB without issue. FB did suppress the story from randomly showing on feeds. Didn’t stop it but did slow it down. The reason though is because at the time the only “organization” sharing were political gossip mags like the NY post and guys like Alex Jones. You know. Crack pots.

I watched the entire interview. He never says the FBI asked to suppress the hunter story.
 
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