If McCollum became coach this is what we would see.
Drake Bulldogs
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Muncie Central won 8 state championships. Not bad.
Have you done any research or just throwing shit against the wall until something sticks?
Did you look at the posts for PPG for McCollum coached teams.
IU North said his teams are fun to watch.
Man, thinking some long term posters are Chris Beard sleeper plants. Role is to post stuff slamming the competition. 
Yes. He's won 4 NCAA tourneys. Just not the one you like to watch. And then he took his D2 kids to a mid major and went 30-3.
You know Archie failed, right? That ought to tell you that being an assistant and having one good run over 8-9 days in a tournament with a program that was good before he got there isn't a signifier of future success.
And if you know that, then why would you require it again from our next coach? No one here is saying we'd take McCollum over Stevens. We aren't getting Stevens, or Donovan, or Pearl or Few.
No one with a quality high major program is going to hop-to because it says Indiana on our jersey. May could've, and didn't. Otz could, but apparently isn't.
Beard is a 911 call away from another for cause firing.
Oh whatever, this argument is stupid. Keep living in fairytale land. I'm going to bed.
Is it possible that, maybe, McCollum and Archie are actually different people? Different type of coaches that run different schemes? Is it possible to fathom that?
Asking for the people that think not all coaches are the same people?
My memory is a bit cloudy, but wasn't Butler considered mid-major not that long ago? Whatever happened to that coach?
Butler is in over their heads in the Big East. They can't complete moneywise. That's the reason Matta's staying on. They can't afford todays coaching salaries.
Sure, but listen to what you asked? Total risk isn’t it? It’s why I bring Arch up, because he wasn’t a risk was he?
I do know one thing though, Drake is #364 this year. You sure that will fly with Indiana fans that want a modern offense?
Izzo was literally a career assistant before he was named head coach to replace Jud Heathcoat. He was hired at MSU after spending zero time as a head coach and 12 seasons on the bench as an assistant. He had never run any college program when he was hired. IU is not getting some big name coach with multiple stops at a P4 level. If they are out there, they are good where they are at.
He coaches at Drake. How can he have a higher NET ranking? More of a slam of Collins.
After reading about McCollum, I am convinced he is the best option for us to try at this time. Some people posted concerns about his team's slow pace of play, but when I read the article from The Athletic that was linked here, it sounds like his teams just pass up bad shots for good shots for good shots until they get a great shot. Here is a quote from the article that convinced me he is the one:
"If there’s a singular moment that defines why McCollum has been able to sustain what he’s built and why he’s a smart bet to win at D-1, it happened in the days leading up to his first national title. His opponent in that 2017 championship game was Fairmont State. McCollum watched Fairmont beat Bellarmine 79-68 in the semifinal. He turned to one of his graduate assistant coaches and said, “At least we finished second.”
Fairmont State was a full-court pressing team whose opponents were averaging 17.7 turnovers per game. Its athleticism seemed overwhelming. McCollum didn’t sleep for two nights trying to figure out a plan of attack. Eventually, he widened his lens. Fairmont coach Jerrod Calhoun (now the head coach at Youngstown State), was part of the Bob Huggins tree. So McCollum studied Huggins’ Press Virginia squad, looking for a press breaker that worked against the Mountaineers. He remembered then-Oklahoma State coach Brad Underwood had worked for Huggins as well. And on Feb. 4, 2017, the Cowboys scored 82 points in 63 possessions at West Virginia, the highest efficiency all season against the defense that caused more turnovers than any other in D-1 that year. McCollum copied OSU’s press breakers and taught them to his team the day of the game. Northwest Missouri had only 12 turnovers and won 71-61.
McCollum is constantly going down rabbit holes to try to find anything — book, podcast, EuroLeague offense — that can make his system better."
I remember when we had Coach Knight there was a sense that we could beat anybody because our coach would prepare our team so well. This is the sense I get from Coach McCollum - he will prepare his team to compete with and beat teams with better athletes. That is what we used to have with RMK. I want that again.
For those who would prefer a well-established, proven coach who has already had great success, I have a sincere question: what are the data points where that has happened previously? Roy Williams to UNC? Bill Self from UofI to Kansas? Kelvin Sampson from Oklahoma to IU? These are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. What other examples are there of great, proven coaches who have left an established, successful program to go to another school? Coaches who meet all of your criteria?
"If there’s a singular moment that defines why McCollum has been able to sustain what he’s built and why he’s a smart bet to win at D-1, it happened in the days leading up to his first national title. His opponent in that 2017 championship game was Fairmont State. McCollum watched Fairmont beat Bellarmine 79-68 in the semifinal. He turned to one of his graduate assistant coaches and said, “At least we finished second.”
Fairmont State was a full-court pressing team whose opponents were averaging 17.7 turnovers per game. Its athleticism seemed overwhelming. McCollum didn’t sleep for two nights trying to figure out a plan of attack. Eventually, he widened his lens. Fairmont coach Jerrod Calhoun (now the head coach at Youngstown State), was part of the Bob Huggins tree. So McCollum studied Huggins’ Press Virginia squad, looking for a press breaker that worked against the Mountaineers. He remembered then-Oklahoma State coach Brad Underwood had worked for Huggins as well. And on Feb. 4, 2017, the Cowboys scored 82 points in 63 possessions at West Virginia, the highest efficiency all season against the defense that caused more turnovers than any other in D-1 that year. McCollum copied OSU’s press breakers and taught them to his team the day of the game. Northwest Missouri had only 12 turnovers and won 71-61.
McCollum is constantly going down rabbit holes to try to find anything — book, podcast, EuroLeague offense — that can make his system better."
I remember when we had Coach Knight there was a sense that we could beat anybody because our coach would prepare our team so well. This is the sense I get from Coach McCollum - he will prepare his team to compete with and beat teams with better athletes. That is what we used to have with RMK. I want that again.
For those who would prefer a well-established, proven coach who has already had great success, I have a sincere question: what are the data points where that has happened previously? Roy Williams to UNC? Bill Self from UofI to Kansas? Kelvin Sampson from Oklahoma to IU? These are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. What other examples are there of great, proven coaches who have left an established, successful program to go to another school? Coaches who meet all of your criteria?
The best head coaches are chameleons: they adapt to their roster and situations, they can beat you with whoever their players are, and they get the most out of their players. They win, period. I can't predict the future. But, if BM is a coaching savant, he can adapt. Maybe BM just hasn't had the opportunity to get behind the wheel of an Indy racecar yet.
Fun to watch they have the 365th tempo they shoot less threes then Indiana per game
Don't sweat it, man. Some think BM is Archie 2.0 ... and have put Beard on a coaching pedestal for some reason. Opposing viewpoints. Oh well.
I have not put beard on a pedestal at all but some have put mccullom on one. If dolson wants to tie himself to an unproven d1 coach so be it but he better win and win right away.
I wasn't referring to you. If it came off that way, I apologize ... I was referencing the "Beard or bust" people. I'm probably guilty of putting BM on a pedestal, as are some others. Some people do the same with Beard.
I don't think there's malice involved ... some are just so dug in it can get combative, perhaps unintentionally. I'm guilty of that, at times ... but I understand all viewpoints. I understand the pro and con BM arguments, just as I understand the pro and con Beard arguments. If it's Beard, I'll get on board.
I have not put beard on a pedestal at all but some have put mccullom on one. If dolson wants to tie himself to an unproven d1 coach so be it but he better win and win right away.
Didn't mean me just if beard is the best we can do I prefer him over a guy with one year of d1 experience. Robbie Hummel seemed very happy with us hiring mccollum which means he thinks he'd be a bust. To big a risk imo.
I looked at Div2 coaches that won a national Div2 championship to gauge their later success in Div1. Oops. Out of 50 odd coaches, and some with multiple championships, it looks like Bruce Pearl is the only D1 success story.
While BM is not my favorite choice, can I mention Bo Ryan’s 4 National Championships in D3 at UW-Platteville?
Pretty much in this order of whom I felt are realistic targets, I’ve wanted TJO, Beard, McCasland, Collins, Brownell.
Finally, Goodman’s a goof. Robbie Hummel needs a better podcast partner.
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