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Dexter Dennis to announce tomorrow

Baller23Boogie said:
So you believe we would have oversigned before the deadline but not after when players can get a waiver and get immediate eligibility?

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever, but you do you.
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Again. Read my posts. It’s an optics thing. It makes no sense to force guys out after. People who know nothing about these rules would be screaming. You don’t force guys out after the deadline. It makes ignorant fans think they transferred on their own. That’s how I perceive this. Dennis isn’t worth kicking bench players to the curb requiring a waiver.
 
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Courtsensetwo said:
IMO If Woody made an offer it was going to be as a role player and if he introduced him to the NIL guys I suspect their projections for him were modest.
If he isn’t coming it is because he chose a better scenario. On those merits. In other words a virtual pass by Woody.

we do the same thing when we don’t really need/want a project: bid high with a long delivery date. If they take it, fine…but they usually don’t
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This too.
 
Courtsensetwo said:
IMO If Woody made an offer it was going to be as a role player and if he introduced him to the NIL guys I suspect their projections for him were modest.
If he isn’t coming it is because he chose a better scenario. On those merits. In other words a virtual pass by Woody.

we do the same thing when we don’t really need/want a project: bid high with a long delivery date. If they take it, fine…but they usually don’t
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Woody can't introduce any prospects to "NIL guys". He can talk about what the university is doing with NIL, but as far as who is directly involved with NIL, that has nothing to do with Indiana.
 
Baller23Boogie said:
Woody can't introduce any prospects to "NIL guys". He can talk about what the university is doing with NIL, but as far as who is directly involved with NIL, that has nothing to do with Indiana.
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If you believe that…..I suspect at every university theirs winks going on.
 
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Victorbmyboy said:
Again. Read my posts. It’s an optics thing. It makes no sense to force guys out after. People who know nothing about these rules would be screaming. You don’t force guys out after the deadline. It makes ignorant fans think they transferred on their own. That’s how I perceive this. Dennis isn’t worth kicking bench players to the curb requiring a waiver.
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If you think Woody cares more about people not knowing the NCAA rules and not about improving his roster by bringing in players he thinks will improve his squad, you are wrong.

He wants to win and will bring in the kids he thinks will do it.
 
Baller23Boogie said:
If you think Woody cares more about people not knowing the NCAA rules and not about improving his roster by bringing in players he thinks will improve his squad, you are wrong.

He wants to win and will bring in the kids he thinks will do it.
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I think he cares about optics. Now I’ve told you my thoughts on this.
 
B1G_Fan said:
I don’t think he really moves the needle. Horribly inefficient against mid major competition. I was against him from the beginning, and I remain so.
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How he effected our offense would obviously have played a role, to be sure. But he seems like a guy that offensively would have been as good as any of our guard/wing players not named Xavier, from last years team. And he is obviously a better defender than any of them.

Even if he is/was a Rob/Trey type guy offensively...What does our season look like last year if we beat Syracuse, sweep OSU and Wisconsin, and beat Iowa a time or two, because we had a guy like Dennis that could at least slow down their wing studs coming down the stretch?

In the end, you could be right. He isn't a guy that would have had even Xavier Johnson levels of impact. But man, it sure would have been nice to have someone like him late in games when we need to get stops.
 
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IUNorth said:
How he effected our offense would obviously have played a role, to be sure. But he seems like a guy that offensively would have been as good as any of our guard/wing players not named Xavier, from last years team. And he is obviously a better defender than any of them.

Even if he is/was a Rob/Trey type guy offensively...What does our season look like last year if we beat Syracuse, sweep OSU and Wisconsin, and beat Iowa a time or two, because we had a guy like Dennis that could at least slow down their wing studs coming down the stretch?

In the end, you could be right. He isn't a guy that would have had even Xavier Johnson levels of impact. But man, it sure would have been nice to have someone like him late in games when we need to get stops.
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His defensive impact would have been no more than RP's.

How nice would it have been if we had a shooter/scorer that could consistently get a bucket down the stretch?
 
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B1G_Fan said:
It was reported on Peegs (who have direct contacts) that the staff was more than willing to oversign even if it meant pushing someone (or multiple players) out. They wanted both Dennis and McNeil. So stfu.
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B1G_Fan said:
His defensive impact would have been no more than RP's.

How nice would it have been if we had a shooter/scorer that could consistently get a bucket down the stretch?
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My thinking exactly: Rob's D is pretty good, and that was the frustrating thing about him, at times (amplified vs PU!) he showed he could score. I could see DD being OK for us, but honestly, in the end, if that's what we felt we needed, I'd have rather tried to convince Rob to stay.
 
Baller23Boogie said:
Maybe you should stop and think that the reason we aren't getting him is because we didn't play that game.
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If he isn't coming to IU it is because IU and associated aggregators chose not to give/project to him what he wanted. He isn't worth it given the existing roster.
 
IUNorth said:
Regardless...if he doesn't choose IU...it kinda bums me out.

I think a player like him could have been the difference between IU's ceiling being a fringe B10 Title contender, to being a legit Final Four/Natty contender.

He potentially solved one of our issues from last year, that doesn't appear that we've solved with roster changes for this next year...which was guarding/slowing down really good wing players. Boeheim, Champagne, Davis, Branham, etc... we blew a lot of leads late in games because we couldn't stop guys like that. Dennis would have changed that dynamic.

As it stands, without a guy like him...assuming TJD is back...I still think we can make marked improvements and contend for a B10 title. But that weak point against elite level wing scorers, will hold us back at some point.
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I agree with your thinking here and would have taken Dennis over McNeil for these reasons. I think you can improve shooting among current players before you can turn any of them into defensive stoppers against elite players.

But I haven't gotten a good vibe from DD over the past couple weeks when he started with the final 5 announcements and put Wichita State back in the list. Seemed to be NIL shopping.
 
bawlmer said:
I agree with your thinking here and would have taken Dennis over McNeil for these reasons. I think you can improve shooting among current players before you can turn any of them into defensive stoppers against elite players.

But I haven't gotten a good vibe from DD over the past couple weeks when he started with the final 5 announcements and put Wichita State back in the list. Seemed to be NIL shopping.
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He was definitely NIL shopping. Was all but committed to IU prior to the Nijel Pack news. Then wanted to see what he was worth. IU doesn’t play that game (at least not with players like DD).

Now he gets to choose a horrible program to spend his last year of college with.
 
B1G_Fan said:
I stated that it had been reported Dennis was not picking IU. You disagreed. It was common knowledge to anyone who follows IUBB that it wasn't going to happen.

ie. The CourtDense Affect
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It may or may not be true, but it was not "common knowledge among those that follow IU". We will find out at 4 PM.

If he isn't coming, then MW either did a hard pass or made an offer/projection that was consistent with his value to this roster, and he passed. Either way, IMO MW makes the decision.

Not sure I understand this obsession with what I think here...don't agree...just say disagree and move on your way.
 
Courtsensetwo said:
It may or may not be true, but it was not "common knowledge among those that follow IU". We will find out at 4 PM.

If he isn't coming, then MW either did a hard pass or made an offer/projection that was consistent with his value to this roster, and he passed. Either way, IMO MW makes the decision.

Not sure I understand this obsession with what I think here...don't agree...just say disagree and move on your way.
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Like I said, it was reported last night he wasn’t coming to IU, multiple IU sites have confirmed that. Anyone who follows recruiting would know that by now.

I should have just moved on my way? Like you did….? Practice what you preach.
 
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B1G_Fan said:
Like I said, it was reported last night he wasn’t coming to IU, multiple IU sites have confirmed that. Anyone who follows recruiting would know that by now.

I should have just moved on my way? Like you did….? Practice what you preach.
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disagree
 
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B1G_Fan said:
Like I said, it was reported last night he wasn’t coming to IU, multiple IU sites have confirmed that. Anyone who follows recruiting would know that by now.

I should have just moved on my way? Like you did….? Practice what you preach.
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But what has fatjohns says he knows all!
 
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IUNorth said:
Count me as one that would LOVE for Dennis to pick IU.

We had a solid defense last year. But we don't have a lock down wing defender. And that cost us in a handful of games. Dennis would immediately become our best defender. And would be a main rotation guy because of it.

If TJD comes back, he could be the missing piece that allows us to close out some of the close games against teams with stud wing scorers, that we weren't able to last year.

If TJD leaves, we'll need another good wing defender even more, because we'll have less protection behind our perimeter defense.

Offensively, he's at worst as good as what Rob and Trey were last year. So if his minutes come from them, my thinking is you can use their output as a benchmark, and any sort of improvement on Dennis part back to his earlier college days, and he starts to become a HUGE upgrade to our wing play, when also factoring how good he is defensively.

Having said all this, I would think he would have picked IU long ago if we were still in the running for him. In today's world, having a program like IU on your "short list" probably adds a few dollars to his NIL deal for whatever schools he's actually choosing from at this point.
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Could be a good NIL strategy
 
Victorbmyboy said:
Again. Read my posts. It’s an optics thing. It makes no sense to force guys out after. People who know nothing about these rules would be screaming. You don’t force guys out after the deadline. It makes ignorant fans think they transferred on their own. That’s how I perceive this. Dennis isn’t worth kicking bench players to the curb requiring a waiver.
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What Crean did to Patterson killed his recruiting in state. Yea, it's not a good look.
 
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T.M.P. said:
What Crean did to Patterson killed his recruiting in state. Yea, it's not a good look.
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Apples and oranges.

Probably not the smartest thing to do is sign a instate kid and immediately cut him before he gets on the court his freshman year if you want to seriously recruit the state.

Patterson didn't even get a chance to get on campus and show what he had in a game before he got cut. He got a immediate waiver to play at Syracuse though, which is the type of waiver I'm talking about.

We have zero idea who would be the odd man out if we were to oversign. It was clear to everyone that Woody was willing to do it though. You don't bring in both players for officials if you don't want them.
 
Baller23Boogie said:
Apples and oranges.

Patterson didn't even get a chance to get on campus and show what he had in a game before he got cut. He got a immediate waiver to play at Syracuse though, which is the type of waiver I'm talking about.

We have zero idea who would be the odd man out if we were to oversign. It was clear to everyone that Woody was willing to do it though. You don't bring in both players for officials if you don't want them.
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no, he was on campus taking summer classes when Crean creaned him, saying he needed a C+ in a class that he ended up getting a C in. And then in-state recruiting got way harder.
 
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no, he was on campus taking summer classes when Crean creaned him, saying he needed a C+ in a class that he ended up getting a C in. And then in-state recruiting got way harder.
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I worded my post poorly.

We were oversigned when he got here and someone had to go. Grades were the reason given, but exceptions are given to athletes all the time through academic sponsorships I believe (at least that's what I remember hearing way back when, could be wrong on that one). Ron was the one that was chosen to be "creaned".

As you said, the Indiana high school coaches were onto him from then on out. Outside of getting Blackman to re-committ and Grant Gelon, he didn't get another Indiana kid after the 2012 class.
 
Baller23Boogie said:
I worded my post poorly.

We were oversigned when he got here and someone had to go. Grades were the reason given, but exceptions are given to athletes all the time through academic sponsorships I believe (at least that's what I remember hearing way back when, could be wrong on that one). Ron was the one that was chosen to be "creaned".

As you said, the Indiana high school coaches were onto him from then on out. Outside of getting Blackman to re-committ and Grant Gelon, he didn't get another Indiana kid after the 2012 class.
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Patterson's mom heard about it on the news and never got a call from Crean. That pretty much says what kind of a guy HS/AAU coaches saw.
 
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