I have a lot of life insurance. I plan on staging my own death and that should cover the college costs for both my kids.
I was stunned to find out that after one year, I could openly kill myself and my insurance would still pay out.
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I have a lot of life insurance. I plan on staging my own death and that should cover the college costs for both my kids.
Why do companies hire accounting, finance, CIS majors with starting salaries at $65k, if they could just go down and hire a manager from McDs?
You clearly don't know shit about what is taught in business school, so you should just STFU.
I started out as a business major at IU and hated it from day 1. I got an A in the first accounting class: total joke. Then I took K201 where they taught an obsolete Microsoft program to weed people out. It was just like joining a frat. I could not believe I was paying for this excrement. I dropped business as a major very soon after. I had roommates that did business and they showed me what they were doing: total joke.
I took many classes on business law and have studied it. You don't need any business background to learn it. Business is not considered a prelaw major.
So your wife is up to $30,000 now? Great!!Just for reference, I have a business degree but have worked in IT for the last 20 years doing things that didn't even exist when I was in school. I make decent money...but my wife majored in Fine Arts at the University of Evansville and today is a partner in her company and makes three times what I do. Go figure.
I'm doing well in business, but I started out at the bottom rung (23.5k in 2000) and drug myself up to where I am today. The problem is the company has probably hired hundreds of people like me and they didn't make it or cut it.I started out as a business major at IU and hated it from day 1. I got an A in the first accounting class: total joke. Then I took K201 where they taught an obsolete Microsoft program to weed people out. It was just like joining a frat. I could not believe I was paying for this excrement. I dropped business as a major very soon after. I had roommates that did business and they showed me what they were doing: total joke.
I took many classes on business law and have studied it. You don't need any business background to learn it. Business is not considered a prelaw major.
Like I said before, there is an accepted myth that you need the pseudo business undergrad degree for an entry level business job now. A bunch of people have said the sky is green, so now it is green.
The fact that countless people without business degrees have done very well in business says everything about business as a major. It simply isn't necessary.
I started out as a business major at IU and hated it from day 1. I got an A in the first accounting class: total joke. Then I took K201 where they taught an obsolete Microsoft program to weed people out. It was just like joining a frat. I could not believe I was paying for this excrement. I dropped business as a major very soon after. I had roommates that did business and they showed me what they were doing: total joke.
I took many classes on business law and have studied it. You don't need any business background to learn it. Business is not considered a prelaw major.
Like I said before, there is an accepted myth that you need the pseudo business undergrad degree for an entry level business job now. A bunch of people have said the sky is green, so now it is green.
The fact that countless people without business degrees have done very well in business says everything about business as a major. It simply isn't necessary.
Crimson, I graduated in 2008. I was very realistic about my expectations. I planned to be a prosecutor and start out at around $45k. Trust me, I did plenty of homework before enrolling. At any other time my expectations would've been easily met. I just graduated at the worst time possible. Very few of us could get an internship during our 3L summer. You know you're screwed when you're willing to work for free and no one will hire you.
Please get back to discussing these so called blowjob majors. Can I just volunteer for the labs? Gettin not givin to be clear.I started out as a business major at IU and hated it from day 1. I got an A in the first accounting class: total joke. Then I took K201 where they taught an obsolete Microsoft program to weed people out. It was just like joining a frat. I could not believe I was paying for this excrement. I dropped business as a major very soon after. I had roommates that did business and they showed me what they were doing: total joke.
I took many classes on business law and have studied it. You don't need any business background to learn it. Business is not considered a prelaw major.
Like I said before, there is an accepted myth that you need the pseudo business undergrad degree for an entry level business job now. A bunch of people have said the sky is green, so now it is green.
The fact that countless people without business degrees have done very well in business says everything about business as a major. It simply isn't necessary.
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That is the point. Business is not an academic pursuit, and one doesn't need to go to college to do business. I'm sorry, but I am sick of reading this myth, and I am even sicker of defining academia by market principles and the desperation economy. You don't need a God Damn undergrad business degree for an entry level business job. I've seen way too many people without degrees or arts and sciences degrees do very well in business, and one can learn all they need about business working fast food in high school.
The purpose of college is to pursue academics: if you aren't doing so, get out. If colleges aren't operating with this as their purpose, time to shutter them: I have a feeling the debt bubble bursting will take care of this for them. I have no problem with professions that coincide with academics. But, professions that don't do so belong elsewhere: this includes business.
Peach this is a really great reply.As a liberal arts BA (IUB) and MS (Syracuse) grad and a Kelley MBA (IUB) grad, I can respectfully say that you are deluded.
One does not have to go to college to go into business, but it sure as hell helps. As a BA, my choices were limited to sales at Enterprise or sales at other companies (not that there's anything wrong with sales but it's not for me). My friends in business had a variety of options and could go straight into marketing without the stepping stones through sales. Clearly hiring managers differentiate between BAs and business grads, for right or for wrong. I'm fairly sure it's because they bring marketable skills to the table.
News flash - business *is* an academic pursuit. Stop trying to minimize the functions in business into something you can learn at McDs. (I was a former taco slinger at the Bell in HS and you can bet your bippy that I wasn't learning business strategy, amortization, options pricing, customer acquisition models, etc. The closest I came to learning anything about business was around operations, and at the simplest level.) Economic theory, strategy, forecasting, and pricing, for example, all have theoretical bases that you learn about and apply. Most business decisions are made through data analyses and/or hands-on development and application of mathematical models. Business classes arm you with the fundamentals of analysis and critical thinking skills so that you can develop your own decision models and strategies to make the increasingly challenging decisions you encounter as you move forward in your career.
Your comments about K201 and Accounting are ridiculous. "Oh! You found entry level business classes easy! How shocking!" That's why they are entry level classes, very similar to early 100-200 level Psych and Chemistry classes being "easy" (to which I can testify). No one is arguing that business classes are the toughest, but to argue that there are no academics and that entry level classes are too "easy" is asinine.
Regarding your comments about college as an academic pursuit ONLY, I think you're really naive. First, it's possible to fully engage in learning while still pursuing a good career option - they are not mutually exclusive. Second, we are living in a time where marketable "hard" AND "soft" skills are valued by employers. Why not take advantage of this by pursuing a more specifically oriented degree, especially if you enjoy it?
My decision to transfer into business (marketing) is the best one I ever made, and my MBA is the best investment I ever made. It allowed me to jump hurdles and have a very lucrative and enjoyable career path to date. I only wish I had done it sooner (or in undergrad).
Furthermore, I would love it if my daughter went to Kelley as an undergrad. The integrated program is phenomenal and the opportunity remains to take liberal arts courses. However, I've got another 11 years before that happens. She's my little artist so I'm not sure what will happen...
As a liberal arts BA (IUB) and MS (Syracuse) grad and a Kelley MBA (IUB) grad, I can respectfully say that you are deluded.
One does not have to go to college to go into business, but it sure as hell helps. As a BA, my choices were limited to sales at Enterprise or sales at other companies (not that there's anything wrong with sales but it's not for me). My friends in business had a variety of options and could go straight into marketing without the stepping stones through sales. Clearly hiring managers differentiate between BAs and business grads, for right or for wrong. I'm fairly sure it's because they bring marketable skills to the table.
News flash - business *is* an academic pursuit. Stop trying to minimize the functions in business into something you can learn at McDs. (I was a former taco slinger at the Bell in HS and you can bet your bippy that I wasn't learning business strategy, amortization, options pricing, customer acquisition models, etc. The closest I came to learning anything about business was around operations, and at the simplest level.) Economic theory, strategy, forecasting, and pricing, for example, all have theoretical bases that you learn about and apply. Most business decisions are made through data analyses and/or hands-on development and application of mathematical models. Business classes arm you with the fundamentals of analysis and critical thinking skills so that you can develop your own decision models and strategies to make the increasingly challenging decisions you encounter as you move forward in your career.
Your comments about K201 and Accounting are ridiculous. "Oh! You found entry level business classes easy! How shocking!" That's why they are entry level classes, very similar to early 100-200 level Psych and Chemistry classes being "easy" (to which I can testify). No one is arguing that business classes are the toughest, but to argue that there are no academics and that entry level classes are too "easy" is asinine.
Regarding your comments about college as an academic pursuit ONLY, I think you're really naive. First, it's possible to fully engage in learning while still pursuing a good career option - they are not mutually exclusive. Second, we are living in a time where marketable "hard" AND "soft" skills are valued by employers. Why not take advantage of this by pursuing a more specifically oriented degree, especially if you enjoy it?
My decision to transfer into business (marketing) is the best one I ever made, and my MBA is the best investment I ever made. It allowed me to jump hurdles and have a very lucrative and enjoyable career path to date. I only wish I had done it sooner (or in undergrad).
Furthermore, I would love it if my daughter went to Kelley as an undergrad. The integrated program is phenomenal and the opportunity remains to take liberal arts courses. However, I've got another 11 years before that happens. She's my little artist so I'm not sure what will happen...
I have a freshman (at Ball State) and a High School junior. We're having them take the Stafford loans (~$5500 a year) and we're paying the rest (tuition/books/housing) out of our pocket. I'm also paying the interest on the student loan as we go as long as they're in school so it'll still be just the original principle when they finish. We thought that it was important that they have some skin in the game.
That said, if they finish in good time and in good standing we'll probably pay their loans off for them. But we're not telling them that in advance. Like I said, they need to feel as if they have skin in the game.
And yet none of you can fix the fracking quote tags...
It is what it is? That is the sorriest of sorry arguments. Slavery? It is what it is. My wife is cheating on me with 5 other guys? It is what it is. I'm getting fat from eating at McDonald's every day. It is what it is. College has been transformed into something it was never meant to be and ruined by bullshit market principles? It is what it is
I never said every person in every subject is Einstein. But, the business world excludes everybody in arts and sciences, not just the duds. The people that are the best at math. The people that are the best at science. The people that are the best at reasoning. The people that are the best at economics (perhaps not as much, but still). Instead, the gatekeepers let in the people that don't know these skills as well as the arts and sciences people because business and stuff. I'd agree: it is insane and drags down the quality of the business world with it.
I was stunned to find out that after one year, I could openly kill myself and my insurance would still pay out.
I will if you get a real degree.
What was your undergrad major?
And then you took on a "crap ton of debt" to continue the noble academic path of a....... lawyer? Sounds like you wanted to get paid just like the rest of us. Maybe you should have pursued a PHD and become a professor since you care so much about the integrity of education.Prelaw. Double majored in Poly Sci and English Lit. Minored in General Music Studies. Thought about getting a second minor in History, but ran out of time.
Prelaw. Double majored in Poly Sci and English Lit. Minored in General Music Studies. Thought about getting a second minor in History, but ran out of time.
So basically bullshit.
And then you took on a "crap ton of debt" to continue the noble academic path of a....... lawyer? Sounds like you wanted to get paid just like the rest of us. Maybe you should have pursued a PHD and become a professor since you care so much about the integrity of education.
And yet none of you can fix the fracking quote tags...
After seeing the title of this thread, I definitely didn't anticipate opening it and seeing a guy who majored in Poly Sci and English Lit telling other people to get real degrees....
That is the great part of being an attorney: you can help people, partake in an intellectually challenging profession, and make a shit ton. Were Abe Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and Thurgood Marshall not noble? I never said I had a problem with real academic subjects that coincide with a profession.