Co-President Musk

[mcmurtry66]

Who mentioned Harris? Have you ever heard me tout Harris.

Let's use some examples. USAID may need shut down. Who has the legal power to do it? If there are abuses, show them and let Congress do something. But that isn't what happened, correct?

Did Congress appropriate money to buy out employees who leave? Does Trump have any legal authority to even make the offer without Congress.

I agree. And that’s what is being encouraged in the article I linked. Unfortunately I don’t think much of congress but those are our guardrails. And yes ee payouts fall under the ambit of congress imo.

These are things we can work through with varying degrees of success. But finally we have the ball moving and the attention of people

 

[jet812]

Ahhh, yes. And you know what access and power all the other unelected officials had, right?

Good grief. Musk is tweeting everyday, totally transparent. Not hiding a damn thing about what he is doing. All for the world to know.

Yet, the Biden team hid that Biden was incapable of governing and threatened Twitter, Meta, and others if they did not hide information (i.e. censor) during the pandemic.

He’s the boogeyman to crooked Dems & people like Bowl with TDS brain rot…

 

[jet812]

I know you're trying to be funny, but you just confirmed that you didn't misspeak/ mistakenly type and that you think Elon Musk is keeping his young engineers squirrelled away so he can occasionally screw them.

What color is your fainting couch?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

And crazy does have that part right. Maybe Dems will cut the Republican half and we’ll get both sides.

For the 50th fcking time I get that re congress I linked I believe to you re a Dem congressman saying there is waste and this needs to go before congress? Did you read that. Did you comprehend it?

We’re having a discussion. About issues that are vital . A discussion that would not have occurred under Harris. Full stop!

We definitely need congress to spend money.

I’m not so sure we need congress to not spend money, even appropriated money. Agencies can have positive cash carry forwards from one year to the next without breaking any law. Part of the problem historically has been agencies don’t like to end the fiscal year with positive balances for fear that Congress would say it didn’t need the money. Hopefully that stops now.

The size and scope of agencies is mostly an executive function. If the AG decides the FBI doesn’t need x number of agents, I’m not sure Congress could order more agents.

In any event, cutting the size and scope of the federal government is uncharted waters. We have had 250 years of constant expansion.

 

[jet812]

Because I don't believe a good exterminator burns down your house to kill a spider.

You are focused in on the fact that the spider was killed and I am looking at all of the fallout behind the methods used to get the spider. And oh yeah, they burnt your house down and left a nest of millions of spiders untouched in your front yard which guarantees that when your house is rebuilt that the spider will be right back. So all the destruction is for naught. But man that exterminator is bragging about that daddy long legs he got in your bathroom.....

So what is the rest of the fallout in real terms, not more allegory?

 

[mcmurtry66]

We definitely need congress to spend money.

I’m not show sure we need congress to not spend money, even appropriated money. Agencies can have positive cash carry forwards from one year to the next without breaking any law. Part of the problem historically has been agencies don’t like to end the fiscal year with positive balances for fear that Congress would say it didn’t need the money. Hopefully that stops now.

The size and scope of agencies is mostly an executive function. If the AG decides the FBI doesn’t need x number of agents, I’m not sure Congress could order more agents.

In any event, cutting the size and scope of the federal government is uncharted waters. We have had 250 years of constant expansion.

Yeah but even something like severance has to have congress. Trump got over his skis

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Do you think a 19 year old programmer would be in any position to come in and judge your performance/conduct at work?

You got people up above asking about not being able to rationally approach a subject and yet you guys are defending this type of dumb shit. That's my point. You know that there is a process in place for decreasing the federal workforce? RIF. You know how that process works? It actually looks at things like performance and tenure and seeks to cut the actual poor performers from the force instead of sending in some kid with an unaligned skill set to cut people based on vibes. And the whole "Fork in the Road" dipshittery could have been handled by doing VERA/VSIP which is another long standing process to offer early retirement or separation pay to get people to leave.

And when it comes to walking into a place like USAID and saying, "You are all fired" because we didn't like how the money was spent and then having people like Collin Rugg and Elon Musk go on Twitter and have a good old laugh at these people's expense is a dick move. Those employees don't pick where that money goes. Congress does. They just went in and had a job to do. They have as much impact on what they are being asked to do as a line worker in a factory does on how a company decides to spend its advertising dollars.

I can rationally look at what needs done and say that it is being botched because an arrogant dipshit came in with a flamethrower to cut the grass when there was a whole sheds worth of lawn equipment there to do the job. "Well that's how I take care of overgrowth on my 100 acre ranch!" Cool dude, we are in a ****ing suburb though and we had tools to do this. Hey though, the flamethrower looked cool and all of the hangers on with their noses up his ass thought it made him look totally bad ass.

Don't anybody come at me with "rationally" and defend this nonsense.

And, given all of your rational, sensible 'methods', in ten years NOTHING would have been accomplished...NOTHING!
How the **** did if get this way?
$Trillions pissed away with little or no accountability for results.
I don't need a perfect set of books, to the penny, to know the money was pissed away; simply look at the mission, goals and results..
If a fed cannot explain how his role is critical to mission results...he gone.

Easy Peasy!!

 

[jet812]

Some people used to love process, now suddenly they hate it.

They have a process.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Let's start with an easy one, bailey. Members of unelected/unvetted/unconfirmed Musk's DOGE team have been able to access classified information, including intelligence reports, without the requisite security clearance. Aren't you troubled by that? If not, why not?

Hunter Biden sat in on meetings where he should have had security clearance. Did that bother you?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Trump got over his skis

And I’m glad he did. He is establishing a trend. Things gotta change. Otherwise we end up with another useless Grace Commission.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I would hope this gutting isn’t predicated on tribal affiliation. Pubs have plenty of culpability in defense and other areas. That’s why I agree with what crazed wrote in another thread about even cuts. Can’t be political or show favoritism.

People have experience with gov. I think they have an idea. I don’t agree that they deserve protections beyond what ees receive in the private sector

When 90% of Federal employees identify as Democrat and 90% political donations from Fed workers go to democrats, any RIF will affect democrats moreso than any other group..
Again: RESULTS !

 

[mcmurtry66]

When 90% of Federal employees identify as Democrat and 90% political donations from Fed workers go to democrats, any RIF will affect democrats moreso than any other group..
Again: RESULTS !

Rif. How to cope manuals. Kpmg brought in. On and on.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

fyi dream teamers. If someone posts something at you and you just ignore it it means you just FANNED them. So if Marv asks you something you ignore it oh shit Marv just got fanned!!!!

I just learned that at target with my daughter and her two friends. One of them got fanned right in the middle of the store!!! She waved to this kid and he didn’t wave back. Disaster

Ok, what is "fanned"?

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

When 90% of Federal employees identify as Democrat and 90% political donations from Fed workers go to democrats, any RIF will affect democrats moreso than any other group..
Again: RESULTS !

Yet we’re told most of these roles have no ideological component politically.

So what gives?

Those numbers are not random. Can’t happen in a vaccum statistically speaking.

My theories:

1. Democrat presidencies hire more agressively

2. Democrats, for whatever reason, are more drawn to “civil service” and collect the underlying degrees that lead to it.

3. These apolitical agencies are not as much so as we’d like to believe

4. Pretty much all civil service jobs, for whatever reason, require a college degrees

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

You don't like doing the work. You know Politico is biased, you present it as fact, and damn well have no interest in defending that view in the least. That explains every post you have ever made here. Period, full stop. You feel no need to actually prove anything to us mere mortals because you were taught to think in ways far superior to us in law school. Politico is basically a communist rag because you say so.

I have no doubt you are smarter than me. But the next time you actually put work into a post will be the first time. Brains often equals lazy. You are barely a tenth of a step beyond DBM who just posts Twitter stuff with no analysis or thought.

It must be nice to assume every thought you have ever had is perfect.

Silliness!
Anyone with any sense at all sees the political bias of Politico. That you would assign some childish, smarmy 'perfection' pejorative to someone voicing their awareness of Politico's bias illustrates your inability to refute the point.

Par for the course.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Yet we’re told most of these roles have no ideological component politically.

So what gives?

Those numbers are not random. Can’t happen in a vaccum statistically speaking.

My theories:

1. Democrat presidencies hire more agressively

2. Democrats, for whatever reason, are more drawn to “civil service” and collect the underlying degrees that lead to it.

3. These apolitical agencies are not as much so as we’d like to believe

4. Pretty much all civil service jobs, for whatever reason, require a college degrees

Who is 'telling us' the jobs have no ideological component politically?
Don't believe them.
USAID is politicized internationally. From the CEO to th e junior janitor.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

With private tankers isn’t there an issue with the hookups and transfer of fuel to navy ships? Especially the jet fuel.? That’s what I recall any way.

No.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Of course not. You’ve been a gov ee and never had to make payroll in your life. Your world has only been Monopoly money 😉. You’re what is in the way of needed change

Wrong. I was Chief Operations Officer for a civilian organization since I retired from the Navy in 2012. I was responsible for paying almost 1000 people. You should know this since I explained it more than once.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Wrong. I was Chief Operations Officer for a civilian organization since I retired from the Navy in 2012. I was responsible for paying almost 1000 people. You should know this since I explained it more than once.

You were responsible for making payroll? No.

You were an ee not responsible for making payroll. Monopoly money. Like I told you before. Same headspace

 

[Cortez88]

And I’m glad he did. He is establishing a trend. Things gotta change. Otherwise we end up with another useless Grace Commission.

Just remember when the side you don’t like does the same thing. Just remember.

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Just remember when the side you don’t like does the same thing. Just remember.

When Democrats start aggressively cutting federal agencies?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Hunter Biden sat in on meetings where he should have had security clearance. Did that bother you?

100 percent bullshit. Zero evidence if that. A pastor should be honest. Very disappointing.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

When 90% of Federal employees identify as Democrat and 90% political donations from Fed workers go to democrats, any RIF will affect democrats moreso than any other group..
Again: RESULTS !

90%! Bullshit. Show your work.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

You were responsible for making payroll? No.

You were an ee not responsible for making payroll. Monopoly money. Like I told you before. Same headspace

You’d be 100 percent wrong. I give you truth and facts and you give me bullshit. Let’s just be truthful to each other. I am, and you should give it a go.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

They have a process.

A process that respects that Congress determines what is spent?

I agreed with conservatives, Biden did not have the power to blanket waive student loans. The exact same principle applies.

If they take it to Congress, great. I may well agree with much. But so far I have not heard Musk or Trump say they want Congress involved

 

[mcmurtry66]

You’d be 100 percent wrong. I give you truth and facts and you give me bullshit. Let’s just be truthful to each other. I am, and you should give it a go.

Where did the money come from to make payroll

 

[snarlcakes]

Where did the money come from to make payroll

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Where did the money come from to make payroll

Well, that’s a seriously dumb question.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Well, that’s a seriously dumb question.

Should be easy to answer

 

[mcmurtry66]

🤣

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Should be easy to answer

Stop asking such incredibly stupid questions and we can talk. Seriously, WTF?

 

[mcmurtry66]

Stop asking such incredibly stupid questions and we can talk. Seriously, WTF?

I’m asking a serious question. Did you sell products and generate revenue. Did you found the company ? Did you have investors? Where did the revenue come from for you to make payroll. This isn’t a trick question

You said you know what’s it like to make payroll. Okay. Let’s hear

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Where did the money come from to make payroll

Government isn't private enterprise. Japan and bin Laden made that mistake, the US will never pay what it will take to defeat us. Your company has limited options to a hostile takeover. The government has many more.

Look at the post office, they deliver where FedEx and UPS wouldn't dream of delivering.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Government isn't private enterprise. Japan and bin Laden made that mistake, the US will never pay what it will take to defeat us. Your company has limited options to a hostile takeover. The government has many more.

Look at the post office, they deliver where FedEx and UPS wouldn't dream of delivering.

Non-responsive.

It’s a very simple question

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Just remember when the side you don’t like does the same thing. Just remember.

The side I don’t like has been doing this for decades. I’m very pleased Musk and his whizz kids cracked open the USAID spending shell and we get a good look at the crap funding festering inside. USAID made a huge deal out of clean water and other health projects while hiding all the BS about multiple genders and trans comics in God knows where that probably 80% of us think is stupid and wasteful. What kind of mindset in that agency even considers spending public funds on that crap in the third world?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I’m asking a serious question. Did you sell products and generate revenue. Did you found the company ? Did you have investors? Where did the revenue come from for you to make payroll. This isn’t a trick question

You said you know what’s it like to make payroll. Okay. Let’s hear

No, you're not. You're being a total dick.

We sold a service. I didn't found the company. Yes, people invested. We had revenue and we paid all our expenses from the revenue. Your question really is incredibly stupid.

Serious question. Why do you post like an absolute asshole?

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Government isn't private enterprise. Japan and bin Laden made that mistake, the US will never pay what it will take to defeat us. Your company has limited options to a hostile takeover. The government has many more.

Look at the post office, they deliver where FedEx and UPS wouldn't dream of delivering.

Let’s do that then. USPS can deliver where it is unprofitable for UPS and FedEx and then the private carriers can cover the major metros and suburbs.

We could cut the USPS budget dramatically and grow some great American companies.

 

[IUCrazy2]

I haven’t spoken to one person who thinks the average Government worker is the enemy.

It’s a lame excuse being used because liberals/Democrats, like yourself, do have issues with cuts and want to redirect the narrative away from all the government waste and grift being exposed.

“When they [government employees] wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains.” - Russell Vought head of OMB.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

The side I don’t like has been doing this for decades. I’m very pleased Musk and his whizz kids cracked open the USAID spending shell and we get a good look at the crap funding festering inside. USAID made a huge deal out of clean water and other health projects while hiding all the BS about multiple genders and trans comics in God knows where that probably 80% of us think is stupid and wasteful. What kind of mindset in that agency even considers spending public funds on that crap in the third world?

You haven't had your ID stolen due to a data breach. I have. It's not fun.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Non-responsive.

It’s a very simple question

No, but here, let's run it like a corp. Tear up all oil leasing contracts and really play hardball with the oil companies. Same for ranchers. Trump properties wouldn't lease oil rights for what the feds do.