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That denial is full of holes. The USAID funding of niche content is exactly as Musk represented. It’s a scam.
Are you saying that Politico was unequivocally taking money from a slush fund in exchange for publishing pro-Democratic and anti-Trump articles?
If you're saying that, for one there is no way to prove what they wouldn't/wouldn't publish if so many federal offices didn't pay for subscriptions and two, that's just bonkers. Allowing Trump to frame the debate over good and bad journalism on a sliding scale of how favorably they paint him - or his political adversaries is crazy.
I’m saying
1. Politico structured its niche content subscription rates to receive significant funds from government subscribers
2. Politico is biased towards left wing policies, people and positions.
The problem with that is their subscribers spanned the political spectrum. Lauren Bobert attacked Politico for the same reasons, but it was later discovered her office subscribes to their paywall service. I don't know what is published in Politico Pro, but apparently it is deemed valuable by a lot of federal legislators.
And 'biased towards left wing policies' is casting a pretty wide net. You're catching a lot of legitimate criticisms of Trump and MAGA Republicans in there. The problem here is that you're allowing Trump to frame this for you. Bad press doesn't always equal fake, corrupt news.
I read where Politico stopped paying its workers when government subscriptions were cut off. That’s a tell
Nice to see 2 of the biggest liberals on this board come together on this. Congrats
See. You’re so stupid you think I’m a liberal. You’re a dishonorable moron.
What better way to know what the Deep State actors are whinging about than to read the propaganda they're paying (borrowed) for.
Yeah and if Democrats were as engaged around that topic as they are around race and sex, they would probably have crafted successful talking points to address those issues and made them the forefront of their argument.....
As I have said many times, in many threads, whose benefits are you cutting? Seniors, veterans, disabled, active duty military, or the poor? You aren't cutting your way to a balanced budget without at least one of those groups getting their ox gored.
By all means, cut the waste or reallocate that which appears to be misappropriated but the numbers don't work out unless you touch the programs that touch every day people.
House Democrat: ‘I don’t contest’ DOGE will likely find ‘awful examples of wasteful spending’
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) said Thursday he thinks President Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) commission, led by tech billionaire Elon Musk, will find “awful examples” of wasteful government spending. But he said it’s important the findings be brought to Congress, which is...
This is a major reason why I don't identify as a Republican anymore. Forget how stupid this is as I would be dollars to donuts that this kid doesn't know shit about **** when it comes to whatever he is asking these people about; let's just distill the energy behind this down to what it is intended to be:
Struggle session - Wikipedia
We have removed the violence part (so far) but everything else is the same energy.
This movement has gone off the rails. This is just performative cruelty and class warfare dressed up to look like governance. **** MAGA. Took less than a month for this shit show to turn to the worst nature of any populist movement. I used to feel I was pretty conservative but I don't want any part of this assholery. The blow back on this when the other side regains power will reverberate for generations while MAGA seems intent on ensuring whatever good points they have had are going to be a fart in the wind because they are being duped into settling one guy's scores and feeding another guy's ego.
Pity. The movement actually had some good points but instead of intelligently addressing those they've turned the movement into monkeys flinging shit at the zoo.
What specifically do you take issue with that they’re doing? It’s a blessing we are actually shining a light on spending and creating what will hopefully be a dialogue. Congress has the money. Ultimately they have to be involved. You prefer more goose stepper politicians that continue to lead us down an untenable course?This is a major reason why I don't identify as a Republican anymore. Forget how stupid this is as I would be dollars to donuts that this kid doesn't know shit about **** when it comes to whatever he is asking these people about; let's just distill the energy behind this down to what it is intended to be:
Struggle session - Wikipedia
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We have removed the violence part (so far) but everything else is the same energy.
This movement has gone off the rails. This is just performative cruelty and class warfare dressed up to look like governance. **** MAGA. Took less than a month for this shit show to turn to the worst nature of any populist movement. I used to feel I was pretty conservative but I don't want any part of this assholery. The blow back on this when the other side regains power will reverberate for generations while MAGA seems intent on ensuring whatever good points they have had are going to be a fart in the wind because they are being duped into settling one guy's scores and feeding another guy's ego.
Pity. The movement actually had some good points but instead of intelligently addressing those they've turned the movement into monkeys flinging shit at the zoo.
You have a Calif Dem saying they will find awful examples of waste and you’re taking issue with the auditor? I don’t get it. Not examples. “Awful” examples. And Musk draws our ire? No.
Every last taxpayer should be standing in applause. The obvious implication from the Dem below is but for their efforts the waste wouldn’t be exposed. The motive behind the vetting should be of no moment to taxpayers. It’s our money and the gov is awful stewards of same
House Democrat: ‘I don’t contest’ DOGE will likely find ‘awful examples of wasteful spending’
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) said Thursday he thinks President Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) commission, led by tech billionaire Elon Musk, will find “awful examples” of wasteful government spending. But he said it’s important the findings be brought to Congress, which is...
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This place uses people from left, center, right, to read stories from media and rate them. The producer is kept hidden so the readers can't use that bias. Politico moves to leans left (and if you look at the chart, it is barely left) and to center depending on the year.
This site gives it high marks for reliability with a slight left bias
Politico Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media
Ad Fontes Media rates Politico, which covers politics and policy in America and across the world, as neutral/balanced in terms of bias and most reliable ...
So it seems hardly crazy left, you know, to anyone slightly left of Benito Mussolini.
What specifically do you take issue with that they’re doing? It’s a blessing we are actually shining a light on spending and creating what will hopefully be a dialogue. Congress has the money. Ultimately they have to be involved. You prefer more goose stepper politicians that continue to lead us down an untenable course?
You have a Dem saying they will find awful examples of waste and you’re taking issue with the auditor? I don’t get it
Every last taxpayer should be standing in applause
House Democrat: ‘I don’t contest’ DOGE will likely find ‘awful examples of wasteful spending’
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) said Thursday he thinks President Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) commission, led by tech billionaire Elon Musk, will find “awful examples” of wasteful government spending. But he said it’s important the findings be brought to Congress, which is...www.yahoo.com
Unknown teams of 20 year olds conducting private 15 minute interviews to determine if you keep your job. I'm sure if you give up a fellow employee, name names, they will put a good word in for you. I'm sure we like that, eh comrade? Prove your loyalty, just let us know who here may not be as loyal. That does sound very American.
And they are unknown because, in the name of transparency, Musk has claimed it is illegal to name them. Is that transparency? The interim US atty for DC is vowing to crack down on any threats to them, which is good. But the exact same guy put together public lists of government employees in DEI and vowed to "target them". He hasn't made the same promise to actively pursue threats against them.
Hmm.
Are you in the civil service? Or have loved ones in CS?This is a major reason why I don't identify as a Republican anymore. Forget how stupid this is as I would be dollars to donuts that this kid doesn't know shit about **** when it comes to whatever he is asking these people about; let's just distill the energy behind this down to what it is intended to be:
Struggle session - Wikipedia
We have removed the violence part (so far) but everything else is the same energy.
This movement has gone off the rails. This is just performative cruelty and class warfare dressed up to look like governance. **** MAGA. Took less than a month for this shit show to turn to the worst nature of any populist movement. I used to feel I was pretty conservative but I don't want any part of this assholery. The blow back on this when the other side regains power will reverberate for generations while MAGA seems intent on ensuring whatever good points they have had are going to be a fart in the wind because they are being duped into settling one guy's scores and feeding another guy's ego.
Pity. The movement actually had some good points but instead of intelligently addressing those they've turned the movement into monkeys flinging shit at the zoo.
Perhaps why you can’t approach this rationally?
I was surprised to read that about politico. I never got the impression it was way left.This place uses people from left, center, right, to read stories from media and rate them. The producer is kept hidden so the readers can't use that bias. Politico moves to leans left (and if you look at the chart, it is barely left) and to center depending on the year.
This site gives it high marks for reliability with a slight left bias
Politico Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media
Ad Fontes Media rates Politico, which covers politics and policy in America and across the world, as neutral/balanced in terms of bias and most reliable ...adfontesmedia.com
So it seems hardly crazy left, you know, to anyone slightly left of Benito Mussolini.
Fed employees don’t serve at will. Performance/conduct has to support discharge
Because I don't believe a good exterminator burns down your house to kill a spider.What specifically do you take issue with that they’re doing? It’s a blessing we are actually shining a light on spending and creating what will hopefully be a dialogue. Congress has the money. Ultimately they have to be involved. You prefer more goose stepper politicians that continue to lead us down an untenable course?
You have a Calif Dem saying they will find awful examples of waste and you’re taking issue with the auditor? I don’t get it
Every last taxpayer should be standing in applause. The obvious implication from the Dem below is but for their efforts the waste wouldn’t be exposed
House Democrat: ‘I don’t contest’ DOGE will likely find ‘awful examples of wasteful spending’
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) said Thursday he thinks President Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) commission, led by tech billionaire Elon Musk, will find “awful examples” of wasteful government spending. But he said it’s important the findings be brought to Congress, which is...
You are focused in on the fact that the spider was killed and I am looking at all of the fallout behind the methods used to get the spider. And oh yeah, they burnt your house down and left a nest of millions of spiders untouched in your front yard which guarantees that when your house is rebuilt that the spider will be right back. So all the destruction is for naught. But man that exterminator is bragging about that daddy long legs he got in your bathroom.....
Yep. Knew that but didn’t bother linking it. People never change their minds here.This place uses people from left, center, right, to read stories from media and rate them. The producer is kept hidden so the readers can't use that bias. Politico moves to leans left (and if you look at the chart, it is barely left) and to center depending on the year.
This site gives it high marks for reliability with a slight left bias
Politico Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media
Ad Fontes Media rates Politico, which covers politics and policy in America and across the world, as neutral/balanced in terms of bias and most reliable ...
So it seems hardly crazy left, you know, to anyone slightly left of Benito Mussolini.
Yeah I don’t see it that way. Your path doesn’t affect change. Just inertia. Sometimes it takes a flamethrower
We’ll see
Way too early for any of that talk yet. We will see if there is massive fallout that affects average Americans negatively from the cuts DOGE is making and will make. So far there hasn’t been.
I keep hearing people wish casting DOOM.
“You’ll see, you can’t jus go in cutting Willy nilly, this is really going to hurt people”
Color me skeptical. I don’t think the DoEd and USAID disappearing is going to hurt me at all.
And I know you feel bad for the civil service employees, but if they can be axed and life for Americans moves along just fine, that kind of proves right there that their employment was little more than a jobs program.
That is rich given that musk wasn't elected...not those kids.
Hate to break it to you but most government positions aren't elected. Mostly just leadership changes and who is giving the orders
There are exactly two elected employees of the executive branch. Both of whom have given Musk wide latitude.
That's rich given the hypocrisy of Republicans. Pot meet kettle. Both parties are hypocrites/biased
You dope. You are entirely ignorant about this subject, but you claim others aren’t rational. Moron.
Not buying any of that analysis.This place uses people from left, center, right, to read stories from media and rate them. The producer is kept hidden so the readers can't use that bias. Politico moves to leans left (and if you look at the chart, it is barely left) and to center depending on the year.
This site gives it high marks for reliability with a slight left bias
Politico Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media
Ad Fontes Media rates Politico, which covers politics and policy in America and across the world, as neutral/balanced in terms of bias and most reliable ...
So it seems hardly crazy left, you know, to anyone slightly left of Benito Mussolini.
It doesn’t account for omitted news. It doesn’t account for cherry picking news. If your Trump coverage is 90%+ negative, you could be accurate and seemingly unbiased within the four corners of a particular. Item. But deliberately avoiding positive reporting about the GOP is bias and it wouldn’t show up in this analysis.
The Hunter Biden laptop news fail was just a warm up act for the greatest news/media failure in history, —Joe Biden’s dementia. The news has been loathe report anything bad about about any Democrat for years, but it got really bad in the Biden administration. I think one of the reasons we have Trump as President is the huge media failure to hold democrats to account. Had they done so, Democrats probably wouldn’t have rigged the 2024 primaries in Biden’s favor or thought they could get away with the Harris substitution.
Isn't that what Musk is wanting to change? Cutting a huge percentage isn't going to be on performance or conduct.
How would you feel to have a 20-year old come in and interview you about your performance? What work experience do you think they have?
MAGA is still evolving. It took 40 years. It might take another 20+.This is a major reason why I don't identify as a Republican anymore. Forget how stupid this is as I would be dollars to donuts that this kid doesn't know shit about **** when it comes to whatever he is asking these people about; let's just distill the energy behind this down to what it is intended to be:
Struggle session - Wikipedia
We have removed the violence part (so far) but everything else is the same energy.
This movement has gone off the rails. This is just performative cruelty and class warfare dressed up to look like governance. **** MAGA. Took less than a month for this shit show to turn to the worst nature of any populist movement. I used to feel I was pretty conservative but I don't want any part of this assholery. The blow back on this when the other side regains power will reverberate for generations while MAGA seems intent on ensuring whatever good points they have had are going to be a fart in the wind because they are being duped into settling one guy's scores and feeding another guy's ego.
Pity. The movement actually had some good points but instead of intelligently addressing those they've turned the movement into monkeys flinging shit at the zoo.
Can’t be fired unless it’s predicated on performance or conduct. Again they aren’t at will. That’s likely why they proposed severance.
A 20 year old nerd might be able to evaluate data and outcomes. I’ve long believed much of the fed gov is a jobs program. Go back and look at Biden’s hiring. You think those agencies improved outcomes? There should be measurable data evidencing same that anyone Tesla hires is probably smart enough to measure. Vs what? Some goofy HR person?
How did they perform. Is the job necessary
See where and how Biden grew the federal workforce
Trump slashed rolls at most agencies and is pledging to do so again after Biden boosted the civil service.
www.govexec.com
In all fairness Marv. Those 20 something’s are far more capable than the careerist govvies they’re interviewing. I found the below funny.
Do you think a 19 year old programmer would be in any position to come in and judge your performance/conduct at work?
You got people up above asking about not being able to rationally approach a subject and yet you guys are defending this type of dumb shit. That's my point. You know that there is a process in place for decreasing the federal workforce? RIF. You know how that process works? It actually looks at things like performance and tenure and seeks to cut the actual poor performers from the force instead of sending in some kid with an unaligned skill set to cut people based on vibes. And the whole "Fork in the Road" dipshittery could have been handled by doing VERA/VSIP which is another long standing process to offer early retirement or separation pay to get people to leave.
And when it comes to walking into a place like USAID and saying, "You are all fired" because we didn't like how the money was spent and then having people like Collin Rugg and Elon Musk go on Twitter and have a good old laugh at these people's expense is a dick move. Those employees don't pick where that money goes. Congress does. They just went in and had a job to do. They have as much impact on what they are being asked to do as a line worker in a factory does on how a company decides to spend its advertising dollars.
I can rationally look at what needs done and say that it is being botched because an arrogant dipshit came in with a flamethrower to cut the grass when there was a whole sheds worth of lawn equipment there to do the job. "Well that's how I take care of overgrowth on my 100 acre ranch!" Cool dude, we are in a ****ing suburb though and we had tools to do this. Hey though, the flamethrower looked cool and all of the hangers on with their noses up his ass thought it made him look totally bad ass.
Don't anybody come at me with "rationally" and defend this nonsense.
My operating assumption is that we don’t even need a 19 year-old whizz kid to figure out if a given job is worth while. I won’t deny there are instances of the Whizz kids going too far, but if a job is needed, that will shake itself out. Duplication and federal bloat has been talked about for generations and nobody has done anything about it. I’m pleased the republicans are taking it on. I hope it spreads to state and local government. I’ve seen first hand the creeping bloat at those levels.This is a major reason why I don't identify as a Republican anymore. Forget how stupid this is as I would be dollars to donuts that this kid doesn't know shit about **** when it comes to whatever he is asking these people about; let's just distill the energy behind this down to what it is intended to be:
Struggle session - Wikipedia
We have removed the violence part (so far) but everything else is the same energy.
This movement has gone off the rails. This is just performative cruelty and class warfare dressed up to look like governance. **** MAGA. Took less than a month for this shit show to turn to the worst nature of any populist movement. I used to feel I was pretty conservative but I don't want any part of this assholery. The blow back on this when the other side regains power will reverberate for generations while MAGA seems intent on ensuring whatever good points they have had are going to be a fart in the wind because they are being duped into settling one guy's scores and feeding another guy's ego.
Pity. The movement actually had some good points but instead of intelligently addressing those they've turned the movement into monkeys flinging shit at the zoo.
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