Didn’t make up any scenario. I read an article commenting on it. Do you doubt that most people watching were white and playing were black?
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You’re right no one can really relate to the black experience if you aren’t black. But some may be able to come closer, depending on their history, their relationships, their friends, their work and living environment.
Why not? Women and people of color have no problem telling old white guys that we are all misogynists and racists. What gives them special insights that old white guys can't have about them?
Moreover, I think this "walk a mile in your moccasins" idea is way overplayed. We can't solve the huge divisions that confront us at every turn by believing certain kinds of people are to be excluded from the discussion because of skin color or life experience. Objectivity is also very important and always passing the ball to the victim class places too much emphasis on subjectivity to the sacrifice of objectivity. ;
Black players who live in gated communities and are worth millions more than the people in the crowd.
Hypocrisy of the speakers. Gated communities etc. again blm is proving itself to be a worthless organization. with the proliferating crime; the cops being shot in cold blood; unless and until black athletes/celebs etc. start to loudly and openly acknowledge that the black community has a hell of a lot of work to do with personal responsibility and accountability the voice of blm and others shouting racism will get harder and harder to hear.
I absolutely agree that most people there were likely white and the players are predominantly black.
That’s where this discussion (really there is no discussion) ends.
You take two very likely data points (I wasn’t there taking headcount but I’ll assume it’s true) and then start coming up with some nonsense conjecture on some tangent trying to create some kind of conclusion. Complete rubbish.
A + B doesn’t automatically C.
There used to be a term they used called “profiling.”
You are doing it. Assuming fans were booing because a bunch of players linked arms.
I don't think anyone will be mistaking you for Atticus Finch anytime soon (the one from TKAM, not the one from GSAW).
You plagiarize more than Joe Biden. I see why you'll vote for him.
Nah...like Joe Biden, when guys like you get it wrong, I fix your mistakes and clean up the mess you made.
Ah, there's that shallow thinker you always show yourself to be. That's all that YOU have left to tell yourself because you're incapable of holding several complex thoughts in your mind at once. The result is that insipid generalizations like those you typed above leak out.
Atticus Finch Was white and defended a black guy. Finch was effective because he was a good principled lawyer. That required objectivity. Empathy is the enemy of objectivity.
I believe they were booing because it was another series of pre-game spectacles and fans want to watch a game. Period. They don’t want to go through an endless series of displays and statements being added to the front of a game that consumes their time.
And I truly am one that supports athletes having opinions and things to say. Great.
Do it like the countless athletes who came before you did: say it in a post game presser, an interview or your tweet.
It’s not that people don’t acknowledge the issues. This is a damn NFL game. It’s not a political rally. Left and right sides of the aisle - let them sit together for once and root on their favorite team. Say your peace after the game and everyone can go back to being divided then.
Nah...like Joe Biden, when guys like you get it wrong, I fix your mistakes and clean up the mess you made.
Ah, there's that shallow thinker you always show yourself to be. That's all that YOU have left to tell yourself because you're incapable of holding several complex thoughts in your mind at once. The result is that insipid generalizations like those you typed above leak out.
You claim that the whole idea of white privilege and institutional racism are complex ideas? Not in any way. They are conclusion-based searches for a cause. The real challenge is to go into an elementary school classroom and pick out the George Floyd’s and Jacob Blake’s of the future. That is where the hard work is, that is what must be done, and that is what white liberals are not willing to do. We can’t stop this by harping about police reform or wearing BLM patches and tee shirts.
The fans are largely people who love America. To protest America because you believe America is a racist country is calling these fans racist. It is why they booed. They are not booing because they hate unity. We all should want unity around the Constitution. It is our binding document. It isn't about race, income level or personal preferences that unites us. It's the Constitution. I like this wonderful brother's comments about the issue.
absolutely. and that's what sad about all of this stuff. cops shooting blacks. hypocritical/uniformed athletes cheating due process. soaring violent crime. the epl dumping black lives matter over defund the police. the whole notion of less cops. it's all missing the point and millions upon millions of blacks suffer racism and loss of opportunities for change because the voices have the wrong script
Nah...like Joe Biden, when guys like you get it wrong, I fix your mistakes and clean up the mess you made.
Ah, there's that shallow thinker you always show yourself to be. That's all that YOU have left to tell yourself because you're incapable of holding several complex thoughts in your mind at once. The result is that insipid generalizations like those you typed above leak out.
I have posted the numbers on traffic stops showing Blacks are much more likely to be pulled over for traffic stops. I have posted this Harvard study, https://www.theroot.com/a-judge-asked-harvard-to-find-out-why-so-many-black-peo-1845017462
But we need not worry, I know CO has done an exceedingly detailed analysis of the data and has totally disprove both. I do not see his peer reviewed analysis yet, but I know it has been published and he has proven not only systemic racism does not exist but that there is no racism in America, anywhere.
Agree that empathy is quality we all should employ. But it also has its limitations, particularly when objective judgement is important.
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An exceedingly detailed analysis is not necessary to see though that Harvard study. Look at the crime map of any large city and compare that with the maps of racial distribution. You could say that racial distribution is the product of systemic racism and you might have an argument. But systemic racism doesn’t explain all the poor life choices that result in crime concentrations.
I totally get that you can't grasp the complexity. I totally get that you aren't able to grasp police reform, improved opportunities in urban areas, and improving education at the same time. That's why you post the simplistic and divisive things you do. You don't have the capacity to hold complex thoughts and it bugs you that other people do. But that's okay. The people who do will do the hard work for you.
I totally get that you can't grasp the complexity. I totally get that you aren't able to grasp police reform, improved opportunities in urban areas, and improving education at the same time. That's why you post the simplistic and divisive things you do. You don't have the capacity to hold complex thoughts and it bugs you that other people do. But that's okay. The people who do will do the hard work for you.
Most of what I posted about this issue is about better education in the urban areas and more business opportunity. I think the Trump administration and DeVos with the emphasis on charters and choice are on the right track. Biden wants to kill charters and has said so. I also think Trump’s opportunity zones are a great idea and should be expanded. Biden also said he would kill that. Meanwhile the Democrats propose to address systemic racism and white privilege. Ugh.
Police reform is pretty much a nothingburger. Most of the reforms are already being done and have been years in most agencies. Others are simply a federal takeover of local issues. There are still some important reforms which Sen. Scott worked on and proposed. Schumer killed it to keep the issue alive.
Let me add, Tim Scott has said he has been pulled over several times for driving a nice car. Since the only logical answer to that is racism, clearly Senator Scott is a liar.
I did. There is a lot more to say about it. Blacks disproportionately enter the criminal justice system. That’s before any consideration about sentencing differences. Trump’s reforms addressed a some of these issues, but there is no way to reform our way out of the differences in those who enter the system mostly as juveniles. That takes efforts outside of justice. I don’t think Obama’s leniency as an effort to address the school to prison pipeline was a good answer. That was nothing but an application of the bigotry of low expectations.
Like the bigotry of St Ronnie making crack cocaine a far worse crime than the cocaine your White lawyer friends take? A full 20 years of institutional racism.
Are you saying that you are better than Atticus Finch????
Them's fightin' words. 😡
Crack is a cheap high and is highly addictive. Because of the low cost, dealers pushed it into minority neighborhoods and they became wealthy. The social damage crack has caused is worse than cocaine and it’s victims are less able to cope. Why shouldn’t it have a harsher penalty?
Shorter COH...Democrats bad. Trump good.
Like I said, simplistic thinking from a simple mind and I'd add a mind so simple that it has to offer up complete fabrications to try to prop up its faulty points.
The user is a victim of a condition ,,just as an alcoholic or gambling addict. Why don't we throw alcoholics in prison?
I see you criticize him & others, but I never see you actually prove him wrong. Primarily because you can’t, you're just intolerant & don’t like how he thinks...I totally get that you can't grasp the complexity. I totally get that you aren't able to grasp police reform, improved opportunities in urban areas, and improving education at the same time. That's why you post the simplistic and divisive things you do. You don't have the capacity to hold complex thoughts and it bugs you that other people do. But that's okay. The people who do will do the hard work for you.
Alcohol use itself may not be illegal, but you can bet your ass there are a lot of alcoholics in our prisons.
You know that laws originate in Congress and that Democrats controlled the House for the entire Reagan Presidency. Republicans did control the Senate six of eight years, but barely. There was no filibuster proof majority. Laws passed during the Reagan Presidency were bipartisan by necessity.
The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 was very bipartisan. About half the no votes were the Congressional Black Caucus. The media was totally used to make the case. From the Wiki:
Crack cocaine hit the streets of the United States in 1985. A decline in legitimate inner-city employment opportunities led some to sell drugs, most notably crack. The unsettled and developing crack markets created a wave of violence in many urban neighborhoods of the United States.[39] The DEA began lobbying congress on behalf of Reagan's War on Drugs initiative by courting media outlets in an attempt to win public support for the War on Drugs. Robert Strutman, head of the New York City DEA office recalled, "In order to convince Washington, I needed to make drugs a national issue and quickly. I began lobbying efforts and I used the media. The media was only too willing to cooperate."[40]
In June 1986, Newsweek called crack the biggest story since the Vietnam War and Watergate, and in August, Time termed crack "the issue of the year."[41] Stories written about crack featured terms like "welfare queen," "crack babies" and "gangbangers," racially targeted terms. "Welfare queen" and "Predator criminals" were among the most frequently-used terms, which had been coined by Reagan during his presidential campaign.[41] The sociologists Craig Reinerman and Harry Levine stated, "Crack was a godsend to the right.... It could not have appeared at a more politically opportune moment."[42]
Race and the war on drugs - Wikipedia
For CO, here is an article on it from the 90s, https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1141&context=law_urbanlaw.
The crack/powder cocaine penalty dichotomy is yet another significant example of the heavier burden that people of color have carried during the last decade's war on drugs.' 3 The existence of this burden is borne out by the government's own statistics: although African-Americans represent only 12% of the illegal drug users in this country - almost equal to their percentage of the population - they comprise 44% of all drug arrests.14
Under the old law from 1986, one could carry 100 times the amount of powder cocaine and get the same sentence as crack. So in other words, one could carry enough powder to easily be a dealer and still receive the same sentence as a person who had just enough crack for themselves. But there is nothing to see here.Here are some more stats:
- Blacks weren’t just punished more severely, they were arrested far more frequently. From 1980 to 2014, the rate of drug arrests for accused black cocaine and narcotics offenders was at least twice the rate of whites, and it was often much higher than that. FBI drug arrest data combines crack and powder cocaine offenses. Heroin and other opioids are classified as narcotics.
- Hispanics also have been prosecuted on federal crack charges at a higher rate than whites, though the disparity is not as great as between whites and blacks. The FBI does not track drug arrests by ethnic group.
- The racial disparity in drug arrests continues today. Even though heroin and prescription opioids are more deadly, there were nearly four times more arrests for cocaine than opioid drugs in 2016. In fact, far more blacks (85,640) were arrested for cocaine than whites were arrested for heroin and other opioids (66,120) that year.
- Blacks in 21 states were arrested at a rate at least three times higher than whites for narcotics and cocaine offenses combined in 2016. In Iowa, where black residents constitute about 4% of the state's population, blacks were more than 11 times as likely as whites to be arrested for cocaine or narcotics offenses. In Vermont, the ratio was more than nine times higher for blacks.
An unfair system arrested millions of blacks, urged compassion for whites
A racial double standard has been hard-wired into the nation’s drug laws and criminal justice system since the heyday of the crack epidemic and continues today.
www.app.com
Why do we think we can arrest our way out of a drug epidemic? Addictions need treatment, we shouldn't be throwing the average addict in with murderers and rapists. But we have for quite a while.
I can't let CO's "racism of low expectations" go unmentioned. CO uses southern plantation owner 101 in his argumentation, we need a firm hand on the Black to keep him in line or he'll be good for nothing. Yet CO wants us to believe there is nothing racist at all about that idea. I challenge anyone to look back at the writings of the plantation owners on the subject, they will see CO's concept in writing 160 years ago.
So you retract the "bigotry of St Ronnie" comment?The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 was very bipartisan. About half the no votes were the Congressional Black Caucus. The media was totally used to make the case. From the Wiki:
Crack cocaine hit the streets of the United States in 1985. A decline in legitimate inner-city employment opportunities led some to sell drugs, most notably crack. The unsettled and developing crack markets created a wave of violence in many urban neighborhoods of the United States.[39] The DEA began lobbying congress on behalf of Reagan's War on Drugs initiative by courting media outlets in an attempt to win public support for the War on Drugs. Robert Strutman, head of the New York City DEA office recalled, "In order to convince Washington, I needed to make drugs a national issue and quickly. I began lobbying efforts and I used the media. The media was only too willing to cooperate."[40]In June 1986, Newsweek called crack the biggest story since the Vietnam War and Watergate, and in August, Time termed crack "the issue of the year."[41] Stories written about crack featured terms like "welfare queen," "crack babies" and "gangbangers," racially targeted terms. "Welfare queen" and "Predator criminals" were among the most frequently-used terms, which had been coined by Reagan during his presidential campaign.[41] The sociologists Craig Reinerman and Harry Levine stated, "Crack was a godsend to the right.... It could not have appeared at a more politically opportune moment."[42]
Race and the war on drugs - Wikipedia
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For CO, here is an article on it from the 90s, https://openscholarship.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1141&context=law_urbanlaw.
The crack/powder cocaine penalty dichotomy is yet another significant example of the heavier burden that people of color have carried during the last decade's war on drugs.' 3 The existence of this burden is borne out by the government's own statistics: although African-Americans represent only 12% of the illegal drug users in this country - almost equal to their percentage of the population - they comprise 44% of all drug arrests.14Under the old law from 1986, one could carry 100 times the amount of powder cocaine and get the same sentence as crack. So in other words, one could carry enough powder to easily be a dealer and still receive the same sentence as a person who had just enough crack for themselves. But there is nothing to see here.
Here are some more stats:
- Blacks weren’t just punished more severely, they were arrested far more frequently. From 1980 to 2014, the rate of drug arrests for accused black cocaine and narcotics offenders was at least twice the rate of whites, and it was often much higher than that. FBI drug arrest data combines crack and powder cocaine offenses. Heroin and other opioids are classified as narcotics.
- Hispanics also have been prosecuted on federal crack charges at a higher rate than whites, though the disparity is not as great as between whites and blacks. The FBI does not track drug arrests by ethnic group.
- The racial disparity in drug arrests continues today. Even though heroin and prescription opioids are more deadly, there were nearly four times more arrests for cocaine than opioid drugs in 2016. In fact, far more blacks (85,640) were arrested for cocaine than whites were arrested for heroin and other opioids (66,120) that year.
- Blacks in 21 states were arrested at a rate at least three times higher than whites for narcotics and cocaine offenses combined in 2016. In Iowa, where black residents constitute about 4% of the state's population, blacks were more than 11 times as likely as whites to be arrested for cocaine or narcotics offenses. In Vermont, the ratio was more than nine times higher for blacks.
An unfair system arrested millions of blacks, urged compassion for whites
A racial double standard has been hard-wired into the nation’s drug laws and criminal justice system since the heyday of the crack epidemic and continues today.www.app.com
Why do we think we can arrest our way out of a drug epidemic? Addictions need treatment, we shouldn't be throwing the average addict in with murderers and rapists. But we have for quite a while.
I can't let CO's "racism of low expectations" go unmentioned. CO uses southern plantation owner 101 in his argumentation, we need a firm hand on the Black to keep him in line or he'll be good for nothing. Yet CO wants us to believe there is nothing racist at all about that idea. I challenge anyone to look back at the writings of the plantation owners on the subject, they will see CO's concept in writing 160 years ago.
Black Father Writes Open Letter to LeBron James: 'You Don't Speak for Me and My Boys'
A Black father penned an open letter to LeBron James and advises him to "stop blaming the police and help build better fathers"
Excellent- this guy gets it...
