If this were in place last year we "probably" would have been in.
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We didn't make a NY6 bowl so it's highly unlikely we would have made the cut for a 12-team playoff. And we would've been behind not only Ohio State but also Northwestern.
We were 11th in the final CFP rankings before bowl selections. Under this scenario we would have made the 12 team playoff.We didn't make a NY6 bowl so it's highly unlikely we would have made the cut for a 12-team playoff. And we would've been behind not only Ohio State but also Northwestern.
That said, this year's team is potentially better (and perhaps significantly better) than last year's given the returning talent, the transfers in and the likelihood of an improved OL. A conference championship is a realistic goal.
12 teams becomes 6 after week 1.
Then 6 become 3 after week two.
Then what do we do with 3 teams?
12 teams becomes 6 after week 1.
Then 6 become 3 after week two.
Then what do we do with 3 teams
Top 4 are the champs of the major conferences (Big ten, SEC, Pac ten, ACC, SW conference is 5). That also le@ves out independents like ND.Top 4 gets a bye. 12 becomes eight after first week.
An expanded playoff is good for determining a national champion. But it would absolutely kill the underlying bowl system. If a goal is to keep the bowls, it's a non-starter.
I'm still in the camp of scaling back the bowls to make even the lower tier games more meaningful and preferably avoid 5-7 or 6-6 teams in bowls in the first place.
That is four more than enough to determine the best champion and doesn't destroy the rest of the bowl system.I'm sticking with my eight team playoff scheme grounded with the four traditional NYD bowls of my youth and with P5 conference tie-ins:
Rose: PAC12 & B1G
Cotton: Big12
Sugar: SEC
Orange: ACC
An expanded playoff is good for determining a national champion. But it would absolutely kill the underlying bowl system. If a goal is to keep the bowls, it's a non-starter.
I'm still in the camp of scaling back the bowls to make even the lower tier games more meaningful and preferably avoid 5-7 or 6-6 teams in bowls in the first place.
That is four more than enough to determine the best champion and doesn't destroy the rest of the bowl system.
Yes. I get the traditionalists that are in love with bowl games but....why? I couldn't care less about eliminating them. I'd prefer an ACTUAL post season over this annual Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State round robin.
You have nailed this.12 is too many -- adds another week -- and there will be arguments about the byes, so...
My 8 team scheme grounded in the traditional NYD bowls maintains tradition without compromising the existing bowls. Give the semis to a couple of the other "name bowls" (Peach? Fiesta? Gator? Outback?) and then have the final as simply a Championship Game unaffiliated with the bowls at a premier stadium. Lucas and other NFL venues could be in that rotation.
Edit to add:
Take a look at how the CFP bowls are set up for this coming year. They're halfway to my scheme as it is (without the tie ins).
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I understand your point, hooky, but you have to draw the line somewhere, and I would prefer not to turn it into a long drawn out affair. Make NYD mean something in the playoff scheme, while at the same time giving a shot for the 8 best teams. Yes, (with the tie-ins I propose), there very well may be a time when one conference doesn't have a top 8 team or there's a fluke in the conference playoff or whatever. That's what makes it interesting. Makes the regular season and those conference championship games mean a little more as well. In my scheme, if NW had upset OSU this year, they would have been in, and OSU would surely have gotten one of the other spots. That would have been fun.8 teams won't fly with the P5 or the rest of the FBS. 12 still let's P5 get multiple teams in while allowing at large bids from other conferences. 8 teams only works for the rest of the FBS if P5 are limited to a single team from each conf.
On that we can agree. Nothing will be done that doesn't maximize the TV revenue. In my scheme, to maximize TV revenue and eyeballs maybe play the Orange on NYE night, then have Sugar, Cotton, and Rose in succession on NYD.It's essentially a big TV contract and every conference wants to max out their share of the pie.
All I'm saying is that 12 is a compromise in order for all the FBS schools to get on board, meaning everyone gets maximum beak wettage.I understand your point, hooky, but you have to draw the line somewhere, and I would prefer not to turn it into a long drawn out affair. Make NYD mean something in the playoff scheme, while at the same time giving a shot for the 8 best teams. Yes, (with the tie-ins I propose), there very well may be a time when one conference doesn't have a top 8 team or there's a fluke in the conference playoff or whatever. That's what makes it interesting. Makes the regular season and those conference championship games mean a little more as well. In my scheme, if NW had upset OSU this year, they would have been in, and OSU would surely have gotten one of the other spots. That would have been fun.
On that we can agree. Nothing will be done that doesn't maximize the TV revenue. In my scheme, to maximize TV revenue and eyeballs maybe play the Orange on NYE night, then have Sugar, Cotton, and Rose in succession on NYD.
I'd be good with having Peach and Fiesta named the semifinal bowls permanently, making all the NY6 bowls part of the scheme.
I'm sticking with my eight team playoff scheme grounded with the four traditional NYD bowls of my youth and with P5 conference tie-ins:
Rose: PAC12 & B1G
Cotton: Big12
Sugar: SEC
Orange: ACC
Of course. But it's a big improvement to the current scheme, restores the traditional NYD bowls to prominence, and doubles the number of teams having a shot at winning it all.Group of 5, Notre Dame and SEC may disagree with you.
Of course. But it's a big improvement to the current scheme, restores the traditional NYD bowls to prominence, and doubles the number of teams having a shot at winning it all.
Traditionalists love the bowls because it's tradition. Circular reasoning, I know.Yes. I get the traditionalists that are in love with bowl games but....why? I couldn't care less about eliminating them. I'd prefer an ACTUAL post season over this annual Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State round robin.
Traditionalists love the bowls because it's tradition. Circular reasoning, I know.
I just don't get wrapped up in the "we have to crown a true national champion with a playoff" thing. I know sports fans are used to tournaments, I just don't necessarily understand the virtue of it. It's not like the "best" team always wins the title.
I'd be fully content for the B1G to have bowl tie-ins for 5 teams and IU's goal is to win the conference & go to the Rose Bowl. I just don't think a real playoff that captures the magic or ratio of teams from a March Madness is realistic. It'd probably take like a 32 team tournament. And even though we all know that the "best" team is going to come from the top 10 seeds, teams in that 1-10 range lose every year to absolute nobodies. And we'll also end up seeing bad teams getting in as P5 champs, similar to the NFL structure where you could be a division champ with an overall losing record and start the playoffs hosting a 12-4 wildcard team from a better division.
I would counter by saying "everyone else is doing it" is an equally poor reason to do something. Or at least my mom would say that.Right, but tradition itself should never be a reason to stand still. Tradition tomorrow is whatever the heck it is you do today so going to a 12 team CFP would soon become tradition. The idea that people refuse to evolve on the basis that they're nostalgic about the past has no real justification.
Every sport has a playoff and the bowls to me are an overrated experience as is. Your logic about getting bad P5 teams into the playoffs doesn't hold water. They're not guaranteeing every P5 conference champion gets in, just the TOP conference champions. The problem today is there are so many people (like undefeated Cincy last year) who simply don't get close to a real shot with one and even two loss teams. So although we begin the season with a chance at the playoffs, there are way too many teams who have absolutely no chance to get in. That's a broken system that needs changed.
Commie 😉😎😂 (joking [sort of]😉)I would counter by saying "everyone else is doing it" is an equally poor reason to do something. Or at least my mom would say that.
The problem with undefeated G5 teams like Cincy last year or UCF before is that with the limited OOC scheduling opportunities, it's hard to make comparisons.
Like take 2018 UCF. Their non-con was UCONN, SC State, FAU, & Pitt. Sure they went undefeated in the AAC, but then they got beat by LSU in their bowl game. The undefeated 2017 year had non-cons of FIU, Maryland, & Austin Peay before beating #7 Auburn in the bowl game. Up until that bowl game their only two ranked wins were against #22 USF & #16 Memphis. Hardly a murderer's row like an undefeated or even 1 loss SEC or B1G season.
Finally, I think playoffs are overrated just like you think bowls are overrated. I get the allure of having a steady series of top matchups, I don't think it's the be-all, end-all of sports.
ha The "everyone else is doing it" mantra is not really something you would apply to this. The system we have is the perfect example of a corrupt system. There are no clear definitions of what one has to do and if they do that, there are no guarantees you will get in. Even if you go undefeated. Teams like Cincy and UCF have control over only a couple games on their schedule each year and they have to book them 4-10 years in advance. The entire structure is built so they have almost 0% chance of ever truly getting in let alone winning it. So yes, the schedule is the issue and primarily because top conference teams often don't want to play the best of the low division opponent. The best chance is to be bad, get a deal with a top school 5 years down the road, get good and then hope you can pull off the upset on the road. Even then, its just one opponent and who knows how good that opponent is.I would counter by saying "everyone else is doing it" is an equally poor reason to do something. Or at least my mom would say that.
The problem with undefeated G5 teams like Cincy last year or UCF before is that with the limited OOC scheduling opportunities, it's hard to make comparisons.
Like take 2018 UCF. Their non-con was UCONN, SC State, FAU, & Pitt. Sure they went undefeated in the AAC, but then they got beat by LSU in their bowl game. The undefeated 2017 year had non-cons of FIU, Maryland, & Austin Peay before beating #7 Auburn in the bowl game. Up until that bowl game their only two ranked wins were against #22 USF & #16 Memphis. Hardly a murderer's row like an undefeated or even 1 loss SEC or B1G season.
Finally, I think playoffs are overrated just like you think bowls are overrated. I get the allure of having a steady series of top matchups, I don't think it's the be-all, end-all of sports.
Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, they pretty much killed the traditional bowl system when they started the current playoff system.Yes. I get the traditionalists that are in love with bowl games but....why? I couldn't care less about eliminating them. I'd prefer an ACTUAL post season over this annual Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State round robin.
It is better than watching the same teams in the Championship every year. With the 12 team playoff you have a better chance one of Alabama or Clemson having an off game and getting upset.I’m not for it. As it stands, it is arguably tougher to win a championship in college football than it is in any other sport. Every week matters. That’s special. With a 12 team playoff, you’ll see the phenomenon that you sometimes see in the NCAA tournament when a team that underachieves during the season gets hot at the right time and runs the table. Some of the luster will be lost, IMO...
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