Cartels are in real trouble

[twenty02]

Tell that to parents who are burying their children from fentanyl overdoses.

Sad but irrelevant

 

[mcmurtry66]

Sad but irrelevant

why? the deadliest concoction and the majority of fen we get comes from mexico. it's dirt cheap and what the kids buy

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Sad but irrelevant

At a certain point the status quo must be challenged. It’s time. Kill them all.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Sad but irrelevant

It’s irrelevant that their activities are absolutely central to the flow of dangerous drugs into our country?

LOL, it’s not only not irrelevant. It’s central to the reason we have to confront and obliterate them.

 

[twenty02]

It’s irrelevant that their activities are absolutely central to the flow of dangerous drugs into our country?

LOL, it’s not only not irrelevant. It’s central to the reason we have to confront and obliterate them.

It's irrelevant to the point that I was making, and you know that

You guys are all unbelievably naive to think we are going to obliterate drug cartels with the US military. Just wow. 24 years into the GWOT and still think we can solve problems like this with military intervention. That's like 1980s Reagan era drug policy thinking.

 

[mcmurtry66]

It's irrelevant to the point that I was making, and you know that

You guys are all unbelievably naive to think we are going to obliterate drug cartels with the US military. Just wow. 24 years into the GWOT and still think we can solve problems like this with military intervention. That's like 1980s Reagan era drug policy thinking.

Tough stuff. I see both sides but tend to agree with you. It’s an opposition that’s so splintered, amorphous, yet seemingly everywhere. The mex gov, corrupted or not, has fought for over a decade. Concerted. I don’t know. And that Colombian coke cokes from mex too. Fen, coke, heroin

 

[twenty02]

An Idea Whose Time Should Never Come: Using Special Forces Against the Cartels Would Be a Colossal Mistake​

https://www.cato.org/blog/idea-whose-time-should-never-come-using-special-forces-against-cartels-would-be-colossal

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

An Idea Whose Time Should Never Come: Using Special Forces Against the Cartels Would Be a Colossal Mistake​

https://www.cato.org/blog/idea-whose-time-should-never-come-using-special-forces-against-cartels-would-be-colossal

If that piece persuades me of anything, it’s that we’ve been derelict in allowing the cartels to muscle up.

Other than that, it doesn’t really make many coherent arguments. It just says that confronting them would be bad and posits the question of who fills the power vacuum.

I don’t know the answer to that question. But could it be anybody worse? If so, maybe they’ll understand that doing so would be bad for their health. These people aren’t religious fanatics. They’re interested primarily in money,

 

[mcmurtry66]

If that piece persuades me of anything, it’s that we’ve been derelict in allowing the cartels to muscle up.

Other than that, it doesn’t really make many coherent arguments. It just says that confronting them would be bad and posits the question of who fills the power vacuum.

I don’t know the answer to that question. But could it be anybody worse? If so, maybe they’ll understand that doing so would be bad for their health. These people aren’t religious fanatics. They’re interested primarily in

I don’t know. Start Fing with them maybe they behave more like fanatics. They have representation in 50 plus countries. To twenty’s point they aren’t Fing with Americans, tourists etc otherwise. They just want to make money. Maybe doubling down on treatment and abatement of opioid addiction is the better approach. Suspected kids get their thermos and narcan every morning

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

I don’t know. Start Fing with them maybe they behave more like fanatics. They have representation in 50 plus countries. To twenty’s point they aren’t Fing with Americans, tourists etc otherwise. They just want to make money. Maybe doubling down on treatment and abatement of opioid addiction is the better approach. Suspected kids get their thermos and narcan every morning

There was a time when I would’ve agreed with you on this. And our policy has clearly moved in that direction over the last couple decades.

Can anybody honestly say that it’s worked?

 

[twenty02]

There was a time when I would’ve agreed with you on this. And our policy has clearly moved in that direction over the last couple decades.

Can anybody honestly say that it’s worked?

Fentanyl makes too much money, it can be produced basically anywhere, in small clandestine operations....

We failed to ever once make a reduction in Columbian cocaine production, even after decades and billions spent in military support to Bogota. And fentanyl makes cocaine look like Mexican ditch weed, in it's profit margin, ease of production and transportation.

 

[mcmurtry66]

There was a time when I would’ve agreed with you on this. And our policy has clearly moved in that direction over the last couple decades.

Can anybody honestly say that it’s worked?

So probably 80k of that is fentanyl. Back out 15k as prescription overdoses. You’re not going to fully eradicate the trade. Is that worth kicking the hornets’ nest. You can put more money into treatment and abatement. Narcan at every locker. Whatever. I don’t know

 

[twenty02]

So probably 80k of that is fentanyl. Back out 15k as prescription overdoses. You’re not going to fully eradicate the trade. Is that worth kicking the hornets’ nest. You can put more money into treatment and abatement. Narcan at every locker. Whatever. I don’t know

$800 of precursor chemicals can make $640k in street value product. Good luck ever shutting something like that down from the supply side

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

$800 of precursor chemicals can make $640k in street value product. Good luck ever shutting something like that down from the supply side

If you’re trying to convince me to get in the Fent game, it’s working.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Fentanyl makes too much money, it can be produced basically anywhere, in small clandestine operations....

We failed to ever once make a reduction in Columbian cocaine production, even after decades and billions spent in military support to Bogota. And fentanyl makes cocaine look like Mexican ditch weed, in it's profit margin, ease of production and transportation.

Colombia isn’t Mexico. We don’t share a border with it.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

So probably 80k of that is fentanyl. Back out 15k as prescription overdoses. You’re not going to fully eradicate the trade. Is that worth kicking the hornets’ nest. You can put more money into treatment and abatement. Narcan at every locker. Whatever. I don’t know

I don’t think we’ll eradicate the trade.

I do think we can and should do more to disrupt it.

 

[IUINSB]

No. Not a guerrilla war. Open war. Surgical JSOC targeting and unleashing. Thousands of bodies.

It’s long overdue.

Sure, and leading the charge should be Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. Followed by sons and daughters of senators and representatives.