I take it back. I do know why it's hard for you to understand.
Basically, the NFLPA is saying the only thing they can attack is the process, exactly as I predicted. It will be very hard for them to win that argument.
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Basically, the NFLPA is saying the only thing they can attack is the process, exactly as I predicted. It will be very hard for them to win that argument.
You should listen to Goat because he's mostly right. If Brady didn't want to turn over his cell phone he should have just refused to turn it over. It wouldn't have effected his appeal and it wouldn't be the spoliation of evidence in a civil case. He could have claimed a privilege and potentially have had the court rule in his favor. He has now lost that opportunity because he destroyed the phone, thus denying the NFL the opportunity to obtain the information in discovery. The court is going to assume there was information on the phone that is detrimental to Brady's case.
Hell, he could have agreed to produce the phone and all its contents for an in camera inspection (only the judge sees it) and if the information was not relevant it wouldn't be discoverable. He exhausted all his options by destroying the phone.
And I don't know how you can be so monumentally f@cking stupid as to believe that there was NOTHING on a phone that Brady destroyed ON THE VERY DAY he met with Wells and the investigators. There's stupid and then there's the otherworldly, moronic, Tom
Brady jock sucking jackass that is your utterly pathetic existence. Congrats on that.
this is an interesting take (not mine, but thought-provoking):
Why would Bradly destroy a phone he is not even required to hand over. Here is a theory which makes sense.
The first reaction people will have is "Brady's getting his legal advice from Aaron Hernandez...destroying your phone on the day you are talking to Ted Wells is insane! But is Brady really Hernandez stupid? He does not even have to turn it over.
Brady and his team are smart people... so the real question is why would they snub noses in such a fashion?
To get a response. What response? To get the decision centered on non-cooperation on the phone issue. Destroying something you don't even have to turn over is done for a reason knowing it is a slap in the face.
Why? Because demanding a private individual's phone is an unfair labor practice.
The Vincent decision didn't hit non-cooperation hard enough.
The NFL probably didn't even know Brady destroyed the phone until the appeal hearing. Brady could have just said "I'm not giving it to you". Instead he testifies "I destroyed it the day I went to Wells, so you aren't getting it."
Goodell loses his mind. Bases punishment on unfair labor practice. Rope-a-doped into it.
Collective bargaining agreement: The court can't touch rules-based interpretations. It does have jurisdiction to address unfair labor practices and violations of collective bargaining agreement. The new document today is all about the phone.
Brady's team just suckered the NFL into moving their punishment basis and report to an area which is 99.9% favorable to Brady by destroying a phone that Brady would never have been forced to turn over.
It was a terrible PR move, but perhaps a winning legal strategy
Why would Bradly destroy a phone he is not even required to hand over. Here is a theory which makes sense.
The first reaction people will have is "Brady's getting his legal advice from Aaron Hernandez...destroying your phone on the day you are talking to Ted Wells is insane! But is Brady really Hernandez stupid? He does not even have to turn it over.
Brady and his team are smart people... so the real question is why would they snub noses in such a fashion?
To get a response. What response? To get the decision centered on non-cooperation on the phone issue. Destroying something you don't even have to turn over is done for a reason knowing it is a slap in the face.
Why? Because demanding a private individual's phone is an unfair labor practice.
The Vincent decision didn't hit non-cooperation hard enough.
The NFL probably didn't even know Brady destroyed the phone until the appeal hearing. Brady could have just said "I'm not giving it to you". Instead he testifies "I destroyed it the day I went to Wells, so you aren't getting it."
Goodell loses his mind. Bases punishment on unfair labor practice. Rope-a-doped into it.
Collective bargaining agreement: The court can't touch rules-based interpretations. It does have jurisdiction to address unfair labor practices and violations of collective bargaining agreement. The new document today is all about the phone.
Brady's team just suckered the NFL into moving their punishment basis and report to an area which is 99.9% favorable to Brady by destroying a phone that Brady would never have been forced to turn over.
It was a terrible PR move, but perhaps a winning legal strategy
Cool,story Bro, but he's still screwed. Imagine if an employee waited until his drug test, pissed in the cup, flushed it and then argued a drug test is an unfair labor practice. That's not a great analogy, but it's good enough to get the point. Think anyone would believe he would have tested clean?
Uh, how do you know that the text messages were "irrelevant" since Brady refused to disclose them several months ago and now has made them unavailable by destroying them? Wouldn't a "scientist" need to read the actual messages before reaching the, ahem, "scientific" conclusion that they were irrelevant? Did you read them?
Wow, you couldn't possibly be more wrong.
First, the destroyed phone is actually a small (although bombshelly) part of the Rog's ruling. It is absolutely not the centerpiece to his argument.
Second, it's not only a losing legal strategy, it's an unethical one. In theory, any lawyer who came up with this convoluted plan and convinced Brady to to engage in it could lose his license. Not saying that's likely, but why would you even risk it?
Third, you once again confuse the NFL's investigation with the legal case. Brady had no legal obligation to turn the phone over to the NFL as part of his appeal. But if a court decided it was likely to contain relevant evidence, the court could order Brady to turn it over to the NFL as part of discovery for the court case (or, as Foos already noted, perhaps turn it over to the court, and have the court decide which information on the phone is relevant and discoverable).
There is no way, legally or otherwise, for this to have been a wise decision for Brady. All he did was limit his options moving forward by taking the issue of his actual innocence entirely off the table. From this point on, all of his legal arguments will be, essentially, "Yeah, I'm guilty, but..."
Maybe the NFLPA should have done a better job representing their members when collectively bargaining their rights when it comes to things like this...
And 10,000 texts? What is he? A 13 year old girl that wears Uggs? Oh, wait a minute....
No way this looks like a winning legal strategy for Brady.
Didn't you post earlier that Brady disclosed a list (but not the content) of something like 10,000 texts and phone calls he made before destroying his phone? Now, just what do you think is going to happen to those poor people (and their own phones) who happened to have received emails, calls or texts from The Chosen One when the parties start issuing subpoenas in a court case? Millionaire Brady's destruction of his phone exposes all these little people (who probably can't afford the legal fees) to subpoenas to surrender their own phones, so that the parties can retrieve Brady's data that he tried to hide. Are you expecting that all these other people destroyed their own phones to protect Glory Boy Brady? Hell, Giselle's phone might even be subject to subpoena. Won't that look suspicious if everybody destroyed their phones?
More to the point, Brady's emails and texts may well be available on these other phones, which would mean that Brady's coverup effort will have failed. I can't wait to read them.
I recall, during one of the steroid cases, that a minor witness actually had preserved some of the hypodermic needles with DNA of a player who had denied shooting up. Wouldn't it be cool if the person who Brady had asked to destroy his phone didn't really destroy it? Brady can smile all he wants, but this doesn't look like a good legal strategy to me.
It's fairly simple.
Funny, nobody is outraged when the black running back from the 'hood is getting the screws put to them due to the lopsided CBA, but let something happen to the golden boy and the public is outraged. (ok, just shooter).
Procedurally, the Ray Rice thing was a much worse than this Tom Brady decision.
The NFL and NBA players aren't frugal enough with their money. They run out and come back and give the leagues whatever they want during every lockout/negotiation. They should take their cues from baseball.
That's the thing...that 2011 CBA agreement has been screwing the players over for a long time. NFLPA is probably the worst sports union...
Here's a link to the final decision itself:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/07/28/0ap3000000504265.pdf
This entire story makes no sense. It never did from the start. Deflated balls are a 25K fine for each ball. It seems like the NFL had information about deflated balls, tried to put on a sting operation to catch the Patriots and didn't catch in the act. Once the story was out there....it was the NFL saving face.
I am a huge Patriots Fan and Brady fan and I think he knew about something and probably the balls were under-inflated a bit; but this story is sooooo big for no reason. This is the equivalent of too much pine tar on a bat. It isn't Spygate, It isnt fixing salary caps space like Denver and San Fran did, it isnt pumping noise into a Dome. It isn't bounty gate and player safety. This is a stupid meaningless football fraction of air that others (Aaron Rogers, Brad Johnson, Jeff Blake) all said they did. If the Bills and Kyle Orton were found doing this.......do you actually think he would get 4 games? Oh wait.....two teams were found doing this and they got $25K fine.
It isn't beating a child, or a wife or a girlfriend. This is the NFL paypack to the best franchise in their league. It is Roger Goodell waiving the I AM A TOUGH GUY towel after missing with everything else the guy has done.
I am a Patriots fan and honestly......I could give a crap what Colts fans or others think about the best QB in our lifetime. I feel badly that people that think they know sports could even argue Manning over Brady still. Properly Inflated balls vs Colts....28-0 Run. Properly Inflated balls vs Seattle........1 incomplete pass in the 4th quarter and Superbowl MVP.
Brady showed everyone what he was made of in the Superbowl vs the Best D in football.
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I am a huge Patriots Fan and Brady fan and I think he knew about something and probably the balls were under-inflated a bit; but this story is sooooo big for no reason. This is the equivalent of too much pine tar on a bat. It isn't Spygate, It isnt fixing salary caps space like Denver and San Fran did, it isnt pumping noise into a Dome. It isn't bounty gate and player safety. This is a stupid meaningless football fraction of air that others (Aaron Rogers, Brad Johnson, Jeff Blake) all said they did. If the Bills and Kyle Orton were found doing this.......do you actually think he would get 4 games? Oh wait.....two teams were found doing this and they got $25K fine.
It isn't beating a child, or a wife or a girlfriend. This is the NFL paypack to the best franchise in their league. It is Roger Goodell waiving the I AM A TOUGH GUY towel after missing with everything else the guy has done.
I am a Patriots fan and honestly......I could give a crap what Colts fans or others think about the best QB in our lifetime. I feel badly that people that think they know sports could even argue Manning over Brady still. Properly Inflated balls vs Colts....28-0 Run. Properly Inflated balls vs Seattle........1 incomplete pass in the 4th quarter and Superbowl MVP.
Brady showed everyone what he was made of in the Superbowl vs the Best D in football.
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Your team cheats, your quarterback cheats. Who knows what they haven't been caught doing. Barry Bonds was a great hitter without steroids, too, so that shouldn't matter either, huh? I'm sure I speak for many who hate on Brady not because of Brady, but because of Massholes like you & chitter. I can hear you sobbing now....
"Haters are just going to hate no matter what."
There is no more ignorant use of ebonics than when a white person uses the term "hater". It basically started as a way to hate on white people without them knowing it. Now, every Opie with internet access thinks it's a blanket argument for anything they disagree with .
What a dumb ass..
There is no more ignorant use of ebonics than when a white person uses the term "hater". It basically started as a way to hate on white people without them knowing it. Now, every Opie with internet access thinks it's a blanket argument for anything they disagree with .
What a dumb ass..
Of course it was blown out of proportion. But there isn't just one reason for it. There are three:
1. As you say, The Rog needs to flex his muscles.
2. The Patriots have a bad rep among other owners.
3. Tom Brady handled this as poorly as humanly possible.
If Brady had simply said something like, "Hey, I like the balls on the lower end. If we got a little overzealous, I apologize for that and take full responsibility. It certainly wasn't our intention to actually cheat," he probably would have gotten a one-game suspension and we'd have all forgotten about it by now.
This should have been a pine tar incident type thing, or at worst a Sammy Sosa corked bat type of thing. Instead, it's reached at least the level of an Albert Belle corked bat type of thing, and Brady's idiotic response is a huge reason why.
Oh my God. You just admitted that Brady was guilty (i.e. "knew about something and probably the balls were under-inflated a bit"). So, there's no need to catch him in the act (since even you think he's guilty) though I think the ultimate catalog of his electronic communications (after the federal court orders the disclosure of all his messages)will prove him to be even more despicable. Thus, we go back to this:
He: "Would you screw me for $1 million dollars?"
She: "Of course. That's a lot of money."
He: "Well, then, would you make love to me for $10?"
She: "No! What do you think I am?"
He: "We've already established what you are. Now, we're just dickering about the price!"
The whole world now knows what Brady is -- now we're just dickering about his penalty. Brady cannot possibly be so naive to think that he can just smile and deflect and go change his underwear in federal court after claiming his lawyer supposedly told him it was OK to destroy one of his phones (but not the others). Brady's destruction of his phone prior to seeking help from a federal court will be a major point of discussion -- by the judges. The NFL's lawyers might not have to push this at all, since it looks so devious. The federal judges won't like this one little bit.
Your post says nothing about destroyed phones, does it? Who do you know personally who was embroiled in legal trouble (say, a divorce) and was supposedly told by his lawyer that it was OK to destroy a cellphone?
Oh, and it's questionable who is the best quarterback in history. You're giving Cheater Brady credit for the ego of Carroll and the blunder of Wilson at the end of the last Super Bowl. Brady was not even on the field, busy looking terrified on the sideline. Vinatieri kcked the winning points in a couple others, not Brady.
So fess up -- you're really Outside Shooter, aren't you?
If you don't think that underinflated footballs could help diminutive (for NFL players) Edelman throw a TD pass for the deciding score in the playoff game the week before the AFC championship then that stupidity is on you. It's entirely possible that the Pats wouldn't have even played the Colts and cost the Colts the opportunity to host the AFC championship game.
So now when Brady wins a Superbowl you blame it on Carroll being a moron. Yet...when Tyree catches a ball off his helmet it was Brady who took the loss in the game. You Colts fan are soooo frickin hilarious. You blame a slightly deflated ball for Edelman being able to throw a TD; yet you forget that Edelman was a QB in college and knows how to throw a football. Oh by the way..........I could have thrown that ball with a beach ball. He was that wide open.
Your excuses for Brady winning is hilarious with balls that were being monitored more than Jared from Subways porn. Stop using excuses for his brilliance
– Largest 4th quarter comeback in Super Bowl history
– Brady did that against the No. 1 defense in the NFL (by some metrics)
– the Seahawks defense had given up 13 points in the 4th quarter … over the last eight games
– Brady was a staggering 13-of-15 for 124 yards and two touchdowns with two lengthy scoring drives in the final eight minutes
Your excuses for Brady winning is hilarious with balls that were being monitored more than Jared from Subways porn. Stop using excuses for his brilliance
– Largest 4th quarter comeback in Super Bowl history
– Brady did that against the No. 1 defense in the NFL (by some metrics)
– the Seahawks defense had given up 13 points in the 4th quarter … over the last eight games
– Brady was a staggering 13-of-15 for 124 yards and two touchdowns with two lengthy scoring drives in the final eight minutes
Says the guy who makes money, making and selling anti-IU t-shirts to Illinois fans when IU played Illinois after the Sampson chit came down.
So, I'm curious...are you a big enough whore to sell out your cheatriots and brady fandom to make and sell anti-cheatriots and anti-brady t-shirts at their rivals games? I know how you like to take advantage of your teams and their affiliations with cheaters and cell phones.
Easily. Under the old format, all it took was a couple hundred replies to break a thread.
These look exactly like the stats Outside Shooter posted.
Yes, I do blame the last Super Bowl on Carroll and Wilson. Brady looked like a scared puppy on the sidelines while Carroll and Wilson were screwing up. Brady clearly thought he had lost.
Brady is a cheater. Period.
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