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So I recall the first doctor video I watched about Covid. Way back at the beginning.

On March 6, Kentucky Governor Beshear confirmed the first state case of Covid and declared a state of emergency and Covid moved local.

A Paducah physician and his wife (a nurse - so Jamie’s Balls can stop reading here) created a video in their living room in an attempt to just deliver data and medical common sense.

The “cytokine storm” was already the main issue nationally, but flyover country was not yet high in numbers.

His report was that, based on virus history and what was already known about Covid, if 1,000 people got enough viral load to test positive, 80% (800) would never know it, 80% of the rest (160) would have very mild symptoms, 80% (32) of the rest would need basic/minor medical treatment by physicians and could ride it out at home, and the rest (8) would need hospital/ICU/vents. Ish. +/- And the 8 per thousand would overwhelm the system, so slowing down the spread was a good idea medically.

1. Does anybody have stats that disagree with this prediction In a statistically-significant manner?

2. is it fair to expect a medical system that can handle such a crisis better than we have? (In Kentucky, hospitals were kept as empty as possible, and field tent hospitals were set up to handle the “overwhelm.” It never happened. In part, of course, because Kentucky was shut down to slow the spread. Even today, however, with Omicron 3 times the highest previous numbers of any variant, regular beds, ICU beds and vents are still available and are filled mostly (majority) with non-Covid patients. So still, is questioning our “performance” reasonable or unfair?
 
So I recall the first doctor video I watched about Covid. Way back at the beginning.

On March 6, Kentucky Governor Beshear confirmed the first state case of Covid and declared a state of emergency and Covid moved local.

A Paducah physician and his wife (a nurse - so Jamie’s Balls can stop reading here) created a video in their living room in an attempt to just deliver data and medical common sense.

The “cytokine storm” was already the main issue nationally, but flyover country was not yet high in numbers.

His report was that, based on virus history and what was already known about Covid, if 1,000 people got enough viral load to test positive, 80% (800) would never know it, 80% of the rest (160) would have very mild symptoms, 80% (32) of the rest would need basic/minor medical treatment by physicians and could ride it out at home, and the rest (8) would need hospital/ICU/vents. Ish. +/- And the 8 per thousand would overwhelm the system, so slowing down the spread was a good idea medically.

1. Does anybody have stats that disagree with this prediction In a statistically-significant manner?

2. is it fair to expect a medical system that can handle such a crisis better than we have? (In Kentucky, hospitals were kept as empty as possible, and field tent hospitals were set up to handle the “overwhelm.” It never happened. In part, of course, because Kentucky was shut down to slow the spread. Even today, however, with Omicron 3 times the highest previous numbers of any variant, regular beds, ICU beds and vents are still available and are filled mostly (majority) with non-Covid patients. So still, is questioning our “performance” reasonable or unfair?
What specifically are you asking?
 
What specifically are you asking?
1. Does anybody have stats that disagree with this prediction In a statistically-significant manner?

2. If a rate of 8 per 1000 infectees needing hospital and/or 4 per 1000 needing ICU overwhelms our medical system, is it fair to expect a medical system that can handle such a crisis better than we have?
 
1. Does anybody have stats that disagree with this prediction In a statistically-significant manner?

2. If a rate of 8 per 1000 infectees needing hospital and/or 4 per 1000 needing ICU overwhelms our medical system, is it fair to expect a medical system that can handle such a crisis better than we have?
I have long said same re our medical system. That "overwhelming" our system has served as fodder for the incessant fear porn from the media as well. Hospitals do their best to run near capacity out of business necessity without regard to Covid cases.

As for expansion, there's already a dearth of medical professionals that is apparently only going to get worse. I don't know the remedy for that. I have friends with bach degrees from directional schools making $300k a year working on the business side of healthcare. Why the hell would anyway go to med school - and don't say it's a calling, save for a small percentage. Income, status, and a way for nerds to get p*ussy are the true reasons
 
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cdc stats say there have been 4,167,033 hospital admissions for COVID from Aug 1, 2020 through Jan 23, 2022


cdc stats say that there have been ~70M cases overall, about 65M after Aug 1, 2020

So hospitalization is roughly 4 in 65 infectees, or about 1 in 16, a far cry from 8 in 1000, which is 1 in 125.

So I would say his estimate is low by about a factor of 8. It is likely a bit better aligned though with the situation under omicron, where surely the positives are underreported and enormous yet hospitalizations are not on the same trajectory.
 
1. Does anybody have stats that disagree with this prediction In a statistically-significant manner?

2. If a rate of 8 per 1000 infectees needing hospital and/or 4 per 1000 needing ICU overwhelms our medical system, is it fair to expect a medical system that can handle such a crisis better than we have?
8 per 1000 is a lot of surge for beds. Think of how many thousands of people (in terms of local population) a hospital serves. That number of thousands times 8 is how many would surge - and that’s a lot.
 
8 hospitalized per 1000 people is a lot, but 8 hospitalized out of 1000 confirmed to be infected is tiny...too tiny in fact
 
That's only reported cases though, right?
Yes, and at least with omicron and the surge in at-home testing, we are way underreporting cases now, so that 1 in 16 has probably become 1 in ??? for this moment...

but it certainly isn't 1 in 125 for the entirety of the pandemic.
 
8 hospitalized per 1000 people is a lot, but 8 hospitalized out of 1000 confirmed to be infected is tiny...too tiny in fact

800 of the 1000 were "infected" but never knew it because their body chemistry did not cause/allow/require them to have noticeable symptoms. So its 8 out of 1000 infected that overwhelmed the system.

"Infected' and "tested positive" are different.
 
cdc stats say there have been 4,167,033 hospital admissions for COVID from Aug 1, 2020 through Jan 23, 2022


cdc stats say that there have been ~70M cases overall, about 65M after Aug 1, 2020

So hospitalization is roughly 4 in 65 infectees, or about 1 in 16, a far cry from 8 in 1000, which is 1 in 125.

So I would say his estimate is low by about a factor of 8. It is likely a bit better aligned though with the situation under omicron, where surely the positives are underreported and enormous yet hospitalizations are not on the same trajectory.
Do your stats count people hospitalized with COVID or for COVID?
 
So I recall the first doctor video I watched about Covid. Way back at the beginning.

On March 6, Kentucky Governor Beshear confirmed the first state case of Covid and declared a state of emergency and Covid moved local.

A Paducah physician and his wife (a nurse - so Jamie’s Balls can stop reading here) created a video in their living room in an attempt to just deliver data and medical common sense.

The “cytokine storm” was already the main issue nationally, but flyover country was not yet high in numbers.

His report was that, based on virus history and what was already known about Covid, if 1,000 people got enough viral load to test positive, 80% (800) would never know it, 80% of the rest (160) would have very mild symptoms, 80% (32) of the rest would need basic/minor medical treatment by physicians and could ride it out at home, and the rest (8) would need hospital/ICU/vents. Ish. +/- And the 8 per thousand would overwhelm the system, so slowing down the spread was a good idea medically.

1. Does anybody have stats that disagree with this prediction In a statistically-significant manner?

2. is it fair to expect a medical system that can handle such a crisis better than we have? (In Kentucky, hospitals were kept as empty as possible, and field tent hospitals were set up to handle the “overwhelm.” It never happened. In part, of course, because Kentucky was shut down to slow the spread. Even today, however, with Omicron 3 times the highest previous numbers of any variant, regular beds, ICU beds and vents are still available and are filled mostly (majority) with non-Covid patients. So still, is questioning our “performance” reasonable or unfair?

80/20 rule run amok
 
Yes, and at least with omicron and the surge in at-home testing, we are way underreporting cases now, so that 1 in 16 has probably become 1 in ??? for this moment...

but it certainly isn't 1 in 125 for the entirety of the pandemic.
I am sorry, I don’t believe we have any idea the true number of Americans that have had Covid. Just in our small community I think thousands haven’t been recorded anywhere.
 
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Yes, and at least with omicron and the surge in at-home testing, we are way underreporting cases now, so that 1 in 16 has probably become 1 in ??? for this moment...

but it certainly isn't 1 in 125 for the entirety of the pandemic.
The part we don't know is how many were put in the hospital for something else and was found to have covid.
My sister passed away back in 2020 (fell an broke her hip and never recovered from that) and the first cause of death listed on the death certificate was covid. She had covid about 6 months earlier but not when she died.

But I also think a lot people have had it and never knew they had it so it was never reported.
 
The part we don't know is how many were put in the hospital for something else and was found to have covid.
My sister passed away back in 2020 (fell an broke her hip and never recovered from that) and the first cause of death listed on the death certificate was covid. She had covid about 6 months earlier but not when she died.

But I also think a lot people have had it and never knew they had it so it was never reported.
I think the UK rule is listing Covid as “a” cause if the death occurs within 30 days of the Covid positive/diagnosis.

I can tell you that many many young people believe the hospitals are “coding for profit” - including using Covid for easier/more profitable reimbursement. I’m teaching now and I have kids/extended family in the 20’s. I hear it a lot. “Coding” was big money even before Covid, and it’s an easy “believe” and an easy tweet.
 
I think the UK rule is listing Covid as “a” cause if the death occurs within 30 days of the Covid positive/diagnosis.

I can tell you that many many young people believe the hospitals are “coding for profit” - including using Covid for easier/more profitable reimbursement. I’m teaching now and I have kids/extended family in the 20’s. I hear it a lot. “Coding” was big money even before Covid, and it’s an easy “believe” and an easy tweet.
People that don’t believe hospitals “coded for profit” with Covid haven’t a clue.
 
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meanwhile, the real life insane mad scientists who are many times worse than the fictional ones, that thought engineering a pandemic level virus would be a fun and lucrative science project, who have killed millions to date and ruined life on earth to date, with no end in sight, run free, and even get to be on tv giving advice, and suffer no penalty what so ever.

idiocracy!
 
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real life insane mad scientists
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