Once again, that isn't the point. The point is any Big Ten program, including IU, would have better odds of beating any other 4 teams in the West than they do against UM, OSU, PSU, and Sparty and that UM, OSU, and PSU are, by far, the best programs in the Big Ten.
I had Purdue at 6-7 wins this past year. I have them at 8-9 next year.. Why can you say Purdue would lose to PSU though? I'll assume they lose to UM.
Wait when did I claim Purdue could play .500 ball again at the east? I’m claiming that you complaining about the divisions is stupid because you can’t play .500 ball against the west. To which you replied “well If it’s and buts we’d almost be .500 if you pretended we aren’t who we actually ARE this year.” To which I asked “and what do you think almost .500 against the west gets you? A cookie?” Now you’re pretending I claimed that either IU or Purdue would be .500 against the East’s best programs.
You lose at least your best two players next year, O'Connell is a 5th year. Does PU take a step back next year?
Once again, that isn't the point. The point is any Big Ten program, including IU, would have better odds of beating any other 4 teams in the West than they do against UM, OSU, PSU, and Sparty and that UM, OSU, and PSU are, by far, the best programs in the Big Ten.
I have O'Connell coming back. George will be a big loss. They can overcome Bell going pro. Loaded at WR.
Everything you said is true .. even that you like the odds .. I never disputed any of it. Do you know what a demurrer is?
This is a message board. Of course, I don't know how things would play out if IU was in the West. I just like the odds. If IU plays the way they played the prior two years, I think they would be very competitive against West teams.
It doesn't sound like O'Connell has made up his mind yet. A new QB would be a big question mark. I think Bell is a bigger loss than you think.
I don't know, I'm not a mind reader. I'm guessing not. However, I think you got the better end of the stick being in the West: I'd be happy about that.
But what happened 20 years ago doesn't matter. That's what you seem to struggle with.
The conference did the Purdue's and Iowa's of the world a huge favor by forming these oddball divisions. Those schools can now scratch out an 8+ win season instead of a 6-6 campaign. If they stumble into the title game a la Iowa last night, it's annihilation city.
Do you think PU is at the same level as PSU, OSU, UM? How about even MSU over the past 20 years? Has PU's recruiting kept pace with these programs?
The last two years, Purdue has been on par with psu and msu. Not UM and OSU. Idc about 20 years ago. It doesn't matter.
That may be the most fan boy thing I've ever read. PU could definitely trade a win for a loss to UM this year. I wish you had the chance to play PSU and find out: bold statement. I promise you Penn St. is recruiting better than PU.
This is true .. BUT if you us or Rutgers hire a coordinator as good as deboer and keep them.. we could do well in either division.
Psu lost to Illinois and Iowa. Purdue beat both. Psu lost to msu. Purdue also beat msu. Psu has one more win than Purdue the last two years. Idc about recruiting. Coaching matters just as much. Brohm would coach circles around Franklin. Franklin is carried by highly rated players.
Brohm's recruiting is getting worse and worse every year, PSU's talent is only getting better, the gaps not close and it will be proven in the opener next year.
Lot of talk about the west from the worst program in big ten history….
Big ten history? Dude this take is just laughable, there have been so many 1 win and winless teams in the big ten in the 100+ years it's been in existence, if you no life Purdue trolls are going to come onto our threads at least make coherent arguments.
You guys talked a lot of shit about the west and got your ass handed by every team on the west…….look at your record against every program in the big ten. Stop riding Ohio states coat tails….
72, 25, 32, 76, currently 36. Outside or Rondales class, there seems to be a norm and a one off. Not sure it's really getting worse. Especially with the current staff.
No, it's definitely gotten worse over the last two seasons, the raw rankings don't take into account the difference in class size. PU just has a larger recruiting class of guys committed right now. 2021 speaks for itself and this year they are 13th in the big ten in average recruiting ranking according to 247 and 58th nationally on rivals. This is back to back, not just bad but terrible recruiting classes from a talent perspective, especially considering PU had two big wins and went 8-4 this past season. I have respect for Brohm as a coach, but the bottom line is he can't get it done on the trail, maybe he changes things in 2023, he does already have a 4 star QB committed, but I have a hard time believing it given his last two classes.
Absolutely everyone understands this...even when they fight it based on wanting to buoy their own program.
You're so dumb and miss the obvious. With the exception of Wisconsin (not so much this year), Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Michigan State are better than every team in the B10 West as it plays out in the long run. Nobody is suggesting than Indiana would win the West if they were to be moved, but they stand much more than a punchers chance playing the top 4 teams in the West every year than they do playing the top 4 teams in the East. The talent disparity between the top 4 in the East and then everybody in the west is staggering.
Really it has only been last year, PU had the amazing break of catching an overhyped MSU team at home off their biggest game of the year. MSU wasn't even there emotionally for the first two quarters. Even with that game, UM, OSU, and MSU all still have better records than Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisco, which is even more impressive considering they all had to play one another. Take out the covid year, the East has been far superior to the west, especially at the top, even during the Covid year the east still had the best team in the conference.
Uh... Purdue outplayed msu. Msu's toughest 3 games were Purdue, osu, and um. The were demolished in two of them. Msu is just lucky Purdue couldn't finish a couple more drives. I had Purdue winning that game going in and never wavered. They couldn't stop Purdue. Msu did a good job of beating up bad teams and um.
Pick the 4 best teams in the West and tell me their H2H record since realignment against UM, PSU, and MSU?
Demolished, is such an over exaggeration, MSU earned those stops far more than Purdue earned the takeaways that really ended up being the difference in the game. You're too delusional to argue with, the B1G West is not even close to the B1G East, every single west division winner would not have even made the conference championship if they were in the traded spots with Rutgers, Maryland, IU, or MSU.
