Atlantic just released all the texts this a.m. and it is not good
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I already owned up. And I can’t understand why not find the post from hoot again. Your post came right after I responded to mattindallas.
So I found my post to hoot. I did not say he was in a cult. My phrasing may not have been the best. I was talking about those in the cult can not admit it. Not specifically hoot. For that misunderstanding and clumsy phrasing I apologize to hoot. I owe no apology to anyone else. I have said I’ll own up unlike many here who refuse to. They all know who they are. Actually I stand corrected. They never think they’re wrong so the don’t have to own up. I’m done with this thread.
He's an important journalist on matters of national security. OF COURSE he is in Waltz's contacts. Waltz would be negligent not to have him there. Jesus, man.
Sure. OK. I'll buy that.
So why cloak him via using initials in your contacts? So cloaked, in fact, that even Waltz didn't now who he was.
If that's the case, I'll agree that Waltz was/is extremely negligent. In fact, I've already concluded that.
Are we assuming that Waltz just didn't have the time to label Goldberg via his entire name, so, I dunno, he didn't accidentally send him confidential information randomly sometime? Or, are we assuming that he is so close to Goldberg that simple initials is all he needs in his contacts to recognize one of his buddies (which he obviously didn't do).
My phone "cloaks" every single contact I have with initials. This isn't a mystery.
Who cares? It's beside the point. The main story should stay focused on why the FK these people thought it ok to be using Signal in the first place for these discussions.
The DOD IG is now investigating Hegseth as Signal is not permitted in DOD.
Fine...whatever. Fire Waltz and whoever else.
I'm more interested in why Waltz has Goldberg listed as Wendy Wheelchair in his contacts.
Are you thick in the head? I've already answered this. There is nothing suspicious about it at all. Pretty much every phone and app in existence defaults your contacts to initials until you assign a personalized avatar or something else.
So when you're compiling a Signal or text list, you can't select from actual full names as listed in your contacts, but just initials?
I list all my high school buddies as Stern show characters so when Siri announces "Call from Bababooey. Would you like to answer it," I can giggle each time.
Sure. Similar here.
So are we assuming Waltz just added the wrong Jeffrey Goldberg? Added the wrong Jeffery that autofilled? Added thw wrong "JG"?
Why does Waltz have Goldberg so cloaked in his contacts, that even he could mistake him for someone else?
Who was the person that was supposed to be in Goldberg's place?
No clue on any of this. They'll figure it out.
But someone's head should roll, and it should probably be this guy.
I have no problem booting him...
But I still think the possibility that Waltz may have accidently cloaked himself out of a gig is worth investigating.
I’ll be getting rid of the rival site altogether. Never to be seen again. If it’s not there I won’t access it.
I'm assuming Rivals Water Cooler posts are like those "suggested reels" on Instagram, of crazy golf shots, ridiculous soccer goals, near death car accidents, and giant AI tits to this dude?
He can't avoid the click?
He can't avoid the click?
I mean, if you're going to continue to believe in nonsense no matter how many times we explain to you why it's nonsense...
You do you.
Who do you think Waltz was trying to add in lieu of Goldberg, and what's your theory as to why/how he was added accidently?
Does finding out who he meant to include change anything?
It still boils down to signal app not being approved for use and obvious inability to double check who is in the conversation. I would bet it is also an issue that these signal chats are set to auto-delete so that there are no records of the conversations. I wouldn't be shocked if that was the entire reason for using the unapproved signal app in the first place. They don't want enemies of the MAGA cult to be able to see their conversations after the fact.
It was reported in the first article that there was a guy on the national security council whose first and last name started with JG. That was probably who Waltz wanted to invite. I don’t recall the name. Regardless, it’s not a mystery how Goldberg was invited. Waltz said he did it accidentally. I don’t know why you keep harping on this. Waltz screwed up, simple as that. Whatever convoluted conspiracy theory you’re following is long dead and was ridiculous at the start.
The important issues:
-Our national security leaders are sloppy and lax with sensitive and classified information.
-They’ve been routinely and inappropriately using Signal rather than appropriate channels and systems.
-Hegseth injected Top Secret strike mission details into the chat and has constantly lied about it.
-The entire DoD knows their boss is a liar.
Yeah I saw that. Some guy in charge of Middle East commerce or something? That's plausible...shipping lanes and such being impacted.
I'll accept Waltz screwed up, obviously. I don't necessarily think he meant to add Goldberg on this chat...but the fact that he could make that mistake, and he (or someone from his team) either cloaked Goldberg with another name in a contacts list, or initials or something to hide his identity, is suspicious. Leads to the suspicion that either Waltz, or whoever developed this Signal Contacts list (if it was downloaded off some server as standard Dept contacts) leaks stuff to Goldberg all the time...
That said, the way Goldberg and Waltz have been basically DKing each other here...they're either good actors, or they really don't talk...
which leads back to, why is Goldberg in Waltz's, or the departments, potential Signal Contact List, and cloaked by another guy's name?
And, it sounds like "Signal" IS one of the recommended communication methods...
Although there is a difference between approved for communication and approved for communication with confidential information.
If everyone is in there by initials, he wasn't cloaked as anyone. It's called dumb*** didn't verify who he was adding to the group.
Yes, the Middle East guy who probably should have been invited.
We've covered this about Signal. Signal is NOT, and never has been, authorized and approved for classified discussions and even for the level of sensitive discussions. There are laws, regulations, government instructions and policies that cover this and everyone in that discussion had to know it. They didn't play everything Radcliffe said. He also said Signal wasn't permitted for classified or sensitive discussions.
Using first and last initials is NOT "cloaking." You know that another member of the chat was identified by first and last initials as well, right? I'm not going back to look at the screenshots right now, but I think it was either TG (Tulsi) or MR (Marco). The bottom line is they were irresponsible. Hegseth broke the law, but won't suffer any consequences other than I'd guess he's been told he's had his first and second strike - next strike, he could be out.
I know the conspiracy theories that you've been influenced by. Basically:
1. Staffer set up the meeting and intentionally included JG purposely to embarrass the administration (Trump, because it's always about getting Trump, right?). That's false we all know that Waltz set up the meeting himself.
2. Waltz is deep state (Never-Trumper) and he included JG purposely to embarrass the administration. Laughable on its face. Waltz is a Trumper and the embarrassment is all his.
3. Someone planted JG in Waltz' contacts and "cloaked" it so it wasn't obvious and Waltz would think it's the other JG. The other version of that one is that the person who planted the contact replaced the real JG with Goldberg's number. Both are laughable.
Give up on those ridiculous conspiracy theories. Waltz simply screwed up and Hegseth showed his rookie status and/or disregard for protecting classified information by taking information he had on SIPR and typing it into that Signal chat.
I lean towards #3, but not necessarily as an intentional "plant" or "cloak" for this case, just accidently stumbled upon.
Waltz has said Goldberg was listed under another name in the Signal Contact list he had. Who did that, and why? Those contact lists can be pre-populated, and imported. Given Waltz and Goldberg are DKing each other here pretty convincingly (despite some photo op from a couple years ago), I don't think Waltz has been funneling JG info, but obviously someone had....maybe?
Looks like that Wong guy did setup the group...
Did Wong purposely, or by accident, add JG? And if by accident, why was the guy he was looking to add loaded into the contacts system incorrectly? Who created the mislabeled contact originally, and why? Was JG mislabled/cloaked for years in the contacts of whatever database was used?
Or, did Wong just add the wrong guy accidently from some master contact list via an auto-populate user-error?
That’s false. Wasn’t Wong, it was Waltz. That was early false info about Wong. Waltz asked the people in the chat to provide their POCs to Wong for future meetings.
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