Atlantic just released all the texts this a.m. and it is not good

[Aloha Hoosier]

I said it was a **** up. What more do you want?

We obviously just diagree on the seriousness of it. There was absolutely no harm done, and lessons learned.

Were you calling for Austin to resign when he disappeared without telling anyone? After Abbey Gate?

I don't blame you for not wanting to 'play' with that hand.

DANC, don't be disingenuous. You're obviously trying to downplay a serious breach of national security information of posting strike mission information on an unsecure platform that foreign intelligence groups are capable of accessing. That's all you're doing.

The Afghanistan withdrawal is yet another classic DANC deflection (whatabout) that is irrelevant, and it doesn't apply to me even if it were relevant. I called it a debacle and said people should be held accountable for it. I had/have no desire to defend Austin or anyone else involved and I DIDN'T.

I don't want to play because you absolutely argue in bad faith. You don't bother to understand the facts or care to know the truth. You believe what supports what you want to believe, damn the frickin' facts. You, move the goal posts, switch subjects (like above), try to equate everything with everything, and you don't mind lying to support your arguments.

Why don't we just try to be civil again and stop here.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Bc you respect your country. Journalism isn’t intended to be gotcha moments. That’s why everyone hates journalists now. The journalist was in the wrong. He should have said hey someone inadvertently added me. Please remove me. And done it immediately.

Doesn’t reduce the negligence of Pete and waltz as they should be shitcanned. But trump should ban this journalist too. Zero integrity. Looking for gotcha moments. Here’s an idea. Just be decent and do the right thing

I actually disagree on this one. I think that one of the jobs of journalists is to hold the government to account by reporting on what the government does. I think the failure of modern journalism lies in the fact that too often journalists see themselves as an extension of government instead of being outside of it. And this doesn't have to be an oppositional relationship. Just share the facts.

OPSEC is the job of the government officials. I think that the journalist handled this fairly ethically. He waited until the operation was completed and then shared how decisions are being made, where the discussions are occurring, and why the forum for those discussions is dangerous. He may have had an axe to grind but there isn't anything wrong with what he did. I would expect the same to occur if he found himself in the same situation with a Democratic Administration. The problem with American journalism is that it is questionable whether they would (see journalists actively avoiding reportage on Biden's mental decline.)

 

[swman]

Just like my friend who was in Washington on Jan 6th. He has never seen the attack on a Capital Police line only watching FOX news. Maybe we should ask the fighter pilots that were put at risk.

Anyone who was involved in the attack on the police and our democracy would no longer be a friend of mine. Sorry but country over friends.

 

[swman]

DANC, don't be disingenuous. You're obviously trying to downplay a serious breach of national security information of posting strike mission information on an unsecure platform that foreign intelligence groups are capable of accessing. That's all you're doing.

The Afghanistan withdrawal is yet another classic DANC deflection (whatabout) that is irrelevant, and it doesn't apply to me even if it were relevant. I called it a debacle and said people should be held accountable for it. I had/have no desire to defend Austin or anyone else involved and I DIDN'T.

I don't want to play because you absolutely argue in bad faith. You don't bother to understand the facts or care to know the truth. You believe what supports what you want to believe, damn the frickin' facts. You, move the goal posts, switch subjects (like above), try to equate everything with everything, and you don't mind lying to support your arguments.

Why don't we just try to be civil again and stop here.

Impossible for him to be civil. You should have learned that long ago.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I actually disagree on this one. I think that one of the jobs of journalists is to hold the government to account by reporting on what the government does. I think the failure of modern journalism lies in the fact that too often journalists see themselves as an extension of government instead of being outside of it. And this doesn't have to be an oppositional relationship. Just share the facts.

OPSEC is the job of the government officials. I think that the journalist handled this fairly ethically. He waited until the operation was completed and then shared how decisions are being made, where the discussions are occurring, and why the forum for those discussions is dangerous. He may have had an axe to grind but there isn't anything wrong with what he did. I would expect the same to occur if he found himself in the same situation with a Democratic Administration. The problem with American journalism is that it is questionable whether they would (see journalists actively avoiding reportage on Biden's mental decline.)

Agree for the most part. Timing still matters to me. If he opened his phone and saw the chat and it was over I think how he handled same is fine. If was active and he’s reading new texts in real time hiding out I think it was inappropriate

 

[mcmurtry66]

Impossible for him to be civil. You should have learned that long ago.

Who gives a fck. Aren’t you the one who writes orange Jesus and all the other stupid shit in your posts

 

[swman]

I don’t know who you’re quoting, but it’s

I agree with the idea that Trump was created by the left. My problem is he is out of control and his supporters see no wrong.

you need to be corrected. He was not created by the left. He was created in an evil genius’s lab.

 

[DANC]

DANC, don't be disingenuous. You're obviously trying to downplay a serious breach of national security information of posting strike mission information on an unsecure platform that foreign intelligence groups are capable of accessing. That's all you're doing.

The Afghanistan withdrawal is yet another classic DANC deflection (whatabout) that is irrelevant, and it doesn't apply to me even if it were relevant. I called it a debacle and said people should be held accountable for it. I had/have no desire to defend Austin or anyone else involved and I DIDN'T.

I don't want to play because you absolutely argue in bad faith. You don't bother to understand the facts or care to know the truth. You believe what supports what you want to believe, damn the frickin' facts. You, move the goal posts, switch subjects (like above), try to equate everything with everything, and you don't mind lying to support your arguments.

Why don't we just try to be civil again and stop here.

Every time you are losing an argument, you attack me personally. "disingenuous' 'bad faith'. blah blah blah.

You want disingenuos? You know damn well by the time anyone read that chat, it would take them way more than 2 hours to have any effect on the Houthis. You know that and yet you cling to it as fact.

I think it is civil on my part. I haven't attacked you personally or questioned your motives, like you've done to me.

Pluck the log out of your own eye.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Every time you are losing an argument, you attack me personally. "disingenuous' 'bad faith'. blah blah blah.

You want disingenuos? You know damn well by the time anyone read that chat, it would take them way more than 2 hours to have any effect on the Houthis. You know that and yet you cling to it as fact.

I think it is civil on my part. I haven't attacked you personally or questioned your motives, like you've done to me.

Pluck the log out of your own eye.

I wasn’t losing so that shoots the ridiculous theory down.

I don’t know whether it was possible or not and neither do you. This is a fact. Your opinion is not a fact. You state that it’s not possible like that’s a fact, but it is only your opinion. It’s one of your flaws that you don’t know the difference.

Your style of arguing is offensive. If you think truthfully describing why it’s offensive is attacking you, I disagree.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

DANC, don't be disingenuous. You're obviously trying to downplay a serious breach of national security information of posting strike mission information on an unsecure platform that foreign intelligence groups are capable of accessing. That's all you're doing.

The Afghanistan withdrawal is yet another classic DANC deflection (whatabout) that is irrelevant, and it doesn't apply to me even if it were relevant. I called it a debacle and said people should be held accountable for it. I had/have no desire to defend Austin or anyone else involved and I DIDN'T.

I don't want to play because you absolutely argue in bad faith. You don't bother to understand the facts or care to know the truth. You believe what supports what you want to believe, damn the frickin' facts. You, move the goal posts, switch subjects (like above), try to equate everything with everything, and you don't mind lying to support your arguments.

Why don't we just try to be civil again and stop here.

Here’s why I can’t agree with you on your argument and demands that people be fired.

The Houthis have been attacking commercial shipping in the Red Sea for years. Biden played defense and successfully thwarted the Houthis having any success against our Navy.

Now the Houthis are toast.

They are toast because our service people took out leadership, air defense assets, offensive assets, and these attacks have been going on for days without any reporting. . Yeah, bad shit could have happened with the Signal screw up but it didn’t. The people you want to shitcan are the same people responsible for these success. Biden shows us that if you don’t do anything, nothing good or bad will ever happen. . We know that when you do do something good things happen despite foul ups that turn out to be harmless errors.

As I write this B2’s, air tankers, and ammo and supply ships are at or headed to Diego Garcia. One carrier battle group has had the deployment extended and a second one is on the way to the Middle East. Something big is going on, or Trump is trying to intimidate Iran. The point is, except for these asset movements that can’t be hidden, nobody knows what is going on. Now is not the time to fire the group in charge.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Agree for the most part. Timing still matters to me. If he opened his phone and saw the chat and it was over I think how he handled same is fine. If was active and he’s reading new texts in real time hiding out I think it was inappropriate

If it was spying on a conversation between two people in a private centered conversation, totally agree. If he found himself in a convo of you and your exes arguing, see yourself out and if you don't you are a weirdo. This conversation was conducting government business though. We do have a certain degree of "right to know" on those conversations. And he was invited to the meeting.

It wasn't his job to make sure that conversation was only being had by people with a need to know. And that is part of the reason that the government has things like SIPRNet and SCIFs to have those conversations. Joe Schmoe can't randomly be added because he doesn't have access.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Here’s why I can’t agree with you on your argument and demands that people be fired.

The Houthis have been attacking commercial shipping in the Red Sea for years. Biden played defense and successfully thwarted the Hithis having any success against our Navy.

Now the Houthis are toast.

They are toast because our service people took out leadership, air defense assets, offensive assets, and these attacks have been going on for days without any reporting. . Yeah, bad shit could have happened with the Signal screw up but it didn’t. The people you want to shitcan are the same people responsible for these success. Biden shows us that if you don’t do anything, nothing good or bad will ever happen. . We know that when you do do something good things happen despite foul ups that turn out to be harmless errors.

As I write this B2’s p, air tankers, and ammo and supply ships are at or headed to Diego Garcia. One carrier battle group has had the deployment extended and a second one is on the way to the Middle East. Something big is going on, or Trump is trying to intimidate Iran. The point is, except for these asset movements that can’t be hidden, nobody knows what is going on. Now is not the time to fire the group in charge.

What in that has anything to do with my argument? Is there any reason to think Hegseth is crucial to our operations against the Houthis? There isn’t and he’s not.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

What in that has anything to do with my argument? Is there any reason to think Hegseth is crucial to our operations against the Houthis? There isn’t and he’s not.

Your argument is a fart in a Hurricane. The operation was a huge success. The screw up was harmless. And without the Houthis knowing more our aircraft were in no danger. AA assets are always on alert and scanning the approaches.

 

[mcmurtry66]

If it was spying on a conversation between two people in a private centered conversation, totally agree. If he found himself in a convo of you and your exes arguing, see yourself out and if you don't you are a weirdo. This conversation was conducting government business though. We do have a certain degree of "right to know" on those conversations. And he was invited to the meeting.

It wasn't his job to make sure that conversation was only being had by people with a need to know. And that is part of the reason that the government has things like SIPRNet and SCIFs to have those conversations. Joe Schmoe can't randomly be added because he doesn't have access.

He wasn’t invited. That’s the salient part. He was inadvertently included

 

[IUCrazy2]

He wasn’t invited. That’s the salient part. He was inadvertently included

That's an invitation though. It may have been an accidental invitation but it was an invitation nonetheless.

 

[mcmurtry66]

That's an invitation though. It may have been an accidental invitation but it was an invitation nonetheless.

Did he relate that he believed that he was an intended party? Is this something that he’d customarily be included?

 

[IUCrazy2]

Did he relate that he believed that he was an intended party?

No, but I don't feel he has a duty to do so.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

MAGAs on this board...

 

[mcmurtry66]

No, but I don't feel he has a duty to do so.

Is this something that he’d ever believe he’d be customarily included? No.

Again. I think there’s a difference between opening his text and seeing a completed chat vs sitting in silence watching texts come in with evil villain fingers thinking now I’ve got a scoop for my ultra liberal publication

 

[mcmurtry66]

MAGAs on this board...

Uh no. There’s separate issues if you’d take a break from your tribal rage. The fck up is the issue. And that rests solely on waltz Pete. I’d fire them both.

The reporter is of little importance. Just a discussion point

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Your argument is a fart in a Hurricane. The operation was a huge success. The screw up was harmless. And without the Houthis knowing more our aircraft were in no danger. AA assets are always on alert and scanning the approaches.

Harmless this time. It’s indefensible.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Is this something that he’d ever believe he’d be customarily included? No.

Probably not, but it isn't his fault he was added.

Again. I think there’s a difference between opening his text and seeing a completed chat vs sitting in silence watching texts come in with evil villain fingers thinking now I’ve got a scoop for my ultra liberal publication

We just disagree. The onus lies on the person setting up the conversation.

Let's just distill this down to the crux of the issue though: The fact that someone who had no need to know the information was on that chat and he didn't let them know is EXACTLY why they aren't supposed to have that type of conversation on that type of program. China isn't going to tell you they are listening in. Neither is Russia or Iran or North Korea or Israel or Germany or anyone else.

They just needed to follow the rules and the journalist did a service by pointing out they were not following protocol. It was no harm, no foul this time but negligent behavior doesn't always result in an injury but it does always provide a greater opportunity for injury.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Probably not, but it isn't his fault he was added.

We just disagree. The onus lies on the person setting up the conversation.

Let's just distill this down to the crux of the issue though: The fact that someone who had no need to know the information was on that chat and he didn't let them know is EXACTLY why they aren't supposed to have that type of conversation on that type of program. China isn't going to tell you they are listening in. Neither is Russia or Iran or North Korea or Israel or Germany or anyone else.

They just needed to follow the rules and the journalist did a service by pointing out they were not following protocol. It was no harm, no foul this time but negligent behavior doesn't always result in an injury but it does always provide a greater opportunity for injury.

Trust me the reporter’s culpability or lack thereof is of no moment to the real issue of the pure laziness of the gov officials actions - on multiple grounds

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Harmless this time. It’s indefensible.

I’m not tryin to defend it. That said, I dint know enough about all the tech and protocols to know if it is indefensible. My point is that the concern is way overstated.

Edited.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Uh no. There’s separate issues if you’d take a break from your tribal rage. The fck up is the issue. And that rests solely on waltz Pete. I’d fire them both.

The reporter is of little importance. Just a discussion point

Pssst…you’re not in the circle.
😎

 

[hoosboot]

Hegseth looks like Jeff Lewis from flipping out

Your insight and knowledge on the Bravo universe is breathtaking.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Your insight and knowledge on the Bravo universe is breathtaking.

I loved flipping out. It was fantastic. He’s fantastic

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

COH - I don't know enough to defend it.
Also COH - The concern is overstated.

 

[IUINSB]

He's also got a massive ego who can't admit he made a mistake.

Birds of a feather.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I’m trying to defend it. That said, I dint know enough about all the tech and protocols to know if it is indefensible. My point is that the concern is way overstated.

Based on your experience OPSEC and protecting Top Secret strike mission information? The concern is significant and widespread among those with that experience.

 

[IUINSB]

Nothing is worse than fake Christians. You’ve shown you’re full of shit. So what are you doing hanging around there….

But I’m glad you made friends with Hickory. You two are a match under people’s soles. Dumber and dumber betas

Prosperity theology pastors are the worst.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Based on your experience OPSEC and protecting Top Secret strike mission information? The concern is significant and widespread among those with that experience.

Actually I meant to say not trying to defend it.

I have no doubt of the genuineness of your and others’ concern. . But I think it is undisputed that it was a harmless error. Does anybody doubt the success of the mission?

 

[hoosboot]

Completely disagree. So again, you think its better for the country and national security this story just is never reported?


Wow.

Woodward and Bernstein should have told Deep Throat they didn't want to hear any stories about Nixon's private conversations because it was none of their business.

 

[IUINSB]

Actually I meant to say not trying to defend it.

I have no doubt of the genuineness of your and others’ concern. . But I think it is undisputed that it was a harmless error. Does anybody doubt the success of the mission?

This time.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Woodward and Bernstein should have told Deep Throat they didn't want to hear any stories about Nixon's private conversations because it was none of their business.

Felt was a deputy fbi director and whistleblower. Inapposite to the facts in this matter 😉

 

[swman]

Here’s why I can’t agree with you on your argument and demands that people be fired.

The Houthis have been attacking commercial shipping in the Red Sea for years. Biden played defense and successfully thwarted the Houthis having any success against our Navy.

Now the Houthis are toast.

They are toast because our service people took out leadership, air defense assets, offensive assets, and these attacks have been going on for days without any reporting. . Yeah, bad shit could have happened with the Signal screw up but it didn’t. The people you want to shitcan are the same people responsible for these success. Biden shows us that if you don’t do anything, nothing good or bad will ever happen. . We know that when you do do something good things happen despite foul ups that turn out to be harmless errors.

As I write this B2’s, air tankers, and ammo and supply ships are at or headed to Diego Garcia. One carrier battle group has had the deployment extended and a second one is on the way to the Middle East. Something big is going on, or Trump is trying to intimidate Iran. The point is, except for these asset movements that can’t be hidden, nobody knows what is going on. Now is not the time to fire the group in charge.

Just ask yourself. If this was done by a democratic administration you feel exactly the same way? We all know that’s not true. See Clinton email outrage by Hegseth, Rubio, Waltz and definitely the Dancing Orange Orangutan.

 

[swman]

Actually I meant to say not trying to defend it.

I have no doubt of the genuineness of your and others’ concern. . But I think it is undisputed that it was a harmless error. Does anybody doubt the success of the mission?

What if an American airman was killed? Harmless error. Amazing the excuses you followers of the dancing Orange Orangutan will use for a national security breach as well as violations of multiple laws. Good lord the DOD sent out a warning against using the Signal Chat the week before.
I saw interviews with current and former F18 pilots who said this was absolutely unconscionable. Any service member who had done this would have immediately been prosecuted and court martialed.

 

[hoosboot]

Felt was a deputy fbi director and whistleblower. Inapposite to the facts in this matter 😉

Felt can know all he wants in that role, but it was immoral for Woodward and Bernstein to listen about matters that weren't for their ears. They should have said, "This is information that wasn't meant for us."

 

[mcmurtry66]

Felt can know all he wants in that role, but it was immoral for Woodward and Bernstein to listen about matters that weren't for their ears. They should have said, "This is information that wasn't meant for us."

It was for their ears. A gov ee was providing it to them. Intentionally. They weren’t interlopers. 😉

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Actually I meant to say not trying to defend it.

I have no doubt of the genuineness of your and others’ concern. . But I think it is undisputed that it was a harmless error. Does anybody doubt the success of the mission?

The success of the mission is great, but it’s not the point.