Anyone know a backstory as to why…
- Thread starter The Vid
- Start date
If the plan to get to a FF is to have a player score 35 pts a game (a top 10 performance in NCAA history, 2nd best in the last 50 years, and best in the last 30 years), then I think Purdue might be waiting awhile.
Na. Not the plan. It's why Painter is bringing in better guards and changed his system to be able to highlight and more easily recruit better guards to his system.
My point was that if you expect one player to carry you to a FF, its possible, but its going to take one hell of a historic performance
In the last 6 tournaments you’ve lost to a double digit seed 50% of the time. That’s pretty normal.
They will have to play some 3 given your roster, but that’s not their positions and they won’t be big impact players. Waddell especially. Why would Edey stay since he can’t improve his draft position? What’s the point hanging around?
Have you seen the 2022 class? No high level athletes there. Colvin seems to be okay athletically, but won’t be making an impact until 2024. DGL is okay athletically as well, but I’d still put it 50/50 that he makes it to Purdue. The guy switches schools like normal people change clothes. He only had 1 committable offer when he chose Purdue. Going to Montverde is a way to get more national recognition.
Lol that’s your argument? “Well we’ve been better than a team that has a rough 6 year stretch!!!”
LOL. You guys have been mediocre since 2016. How obtuse are you? Love the delusion here, lets rip on teams and programs when can't make the tournament and when finally do it's a play in game. Hey though the 30 point loss was due to being tired. See Mike Brey and ND program. You get the last word though brick head.
So you choose a smaller data base over a bigger data base to make a point about a coach/program? Interesting.
Why no love for Waddell? ACL is a small hiccup, but I think he could give quality minutes off what people are saying. For edey, why can't he stay another year and improve? But since you insist he has no future in the NBA, isn't that more the reason to get a degree?
Colvin looks to be more than an ok athlete. Idk where you see average. DGL, not sure where you see his committable offers when he committed? Also haven't seen where he has switched colleges like clothes? Seems pretty committed. You think he leaves Purdue because he gets more national recognition?
How obtuse are you coming to your rival’s board thinking we are going to agree with you?
IU will make it back to the final 4 before Purdue will.
Painter has been to 13 tournaments and lost to a double digit see in 4 of those. That’s 31% of the time. That’s not a small number.
Waddell just isn’t good. Painter offered him a scholarship because he’s friends with his dad.
Where did I say Edey has no NBA future? His peak is to be a situational big man like Boban, but that’s a lucrative deal. Edey’s NBA issues aren’t things that can be improved by staying a year. 20 years ago he would have been a lottery pick, but he’s simply too slow now. Did Kofi or Luka Garza become 1st rounders by coming back and having All American/ POY level years? No, because their issues were not things that can be improved upon.
Colvin isn’t some crazy athlete. I’ve seen him play. He plays at a tiny school to be a big fish in a little pond.
DGL had two offers when he committed to Purdue. Purdue and Indiana. Indiana’s offer came from Archie Miller and staff. Woodson and staff were not recruiting him (ie. Not a committable offer). I meant he had switched schools (not colleges) often. He’s on his 4th school in 2 years (and 3rd or 4th AAU team). I think if bigger schools get involved with him, he will decommit. Even Brian has hinted at that.
Hes also played above his seed in 4 of those tournaments or 31% of the time. So when I say Painter consistently plays to his seed, I'm not wrong. He technically played to his seed this year, but the 2 seed lost, opening up the bracket. Bad loss. Purdue didn't shoot well. Happens. Why the tourney takes a little luck.
Guess we will find out on Waddell. Haven't seen him play college ball.
They were much more developed players though when they decided to come back.
He looks to be a pretty good athlete. Not sure what small school has to do with anything.
Again, not sure where you get the information that he had 2 offers. 247 says that, but they are as good as the information they are given and isn't always accurate. Any recruit is liable to decommit. We shall see. Brian also said Edey is likely back. Must not have read that part. Or the part where Waddell has been better than expected. Anyways. Done arguing again because it's going no where and you clearly don't want to discuss. Gonna go read how our football coach got extended.
Define “playing above their seed”.
Kofi and Garza were not more developed players when they decided to come back. Garza became a 40+% 3pt shooter when he decided to come back. Didn’t impact his NBA draft positioning, because that’s not what the NBA drafts on.
Colvin is a big fish in a little pond. His dad should move him to a real school or have him play on a real AAU team.
You want to post a link to DGL’s offers? Not interest from certain schools, but actual offers? Rivals and 247 both show two. It was also discussed in depth on your board when he committed.
Brian did not say Edey was “likely back”. His GUESS was that he would be back. Brian’s comments on Waddell come from 1 practice that a scout was at. For all the talk, Waddell wasn’t good enough to get minutes on this year’s team.
Although Purdue has only played above their seed once in the last decade, and 3 of the 4 times playing "above their seed" it was a 1 seed differential.
Also, IU hasn't lost to a double digit seed since 2001. Since then IU is 10-0 vs double digit seeds and Purdue is 9-4.
Name the years that Matt Painter has exceeded the results of Tom Crean. Not only is Purdue the only program that keeps around a coach with Tom Crean results, but they build statues for them. Say what you will about IU, at least we have standards.
This year was Purdue's best chance to get to a final four under Painter, and they historically choked to the 15 seeded Peacocks. I really don't care to hear the words Final Four from a Purdue Fan's mouth anymore while Painter is the coach. 1980.
Last edited:
How many final 4 caliber teams has Painter had in your opinion. But I'll keep talking about it because that's the goal and Painter's best years are ahead of him if you consider his age and experience and willingness to grow.
Would you be okay with Painter’s next 17 years going the same way as his first 17 years?
Ultimately, I'd say probably 2. 2011 and this year. So that's two shots. The year before and 2017 were final 4 teams undone by injuries. The elite 8 team wasn't an elite 8 caliber team, but got hot. Now you do it.
The answer is 1: 1/19. Painter has been to 1 Elite 8, and it was a lucky fluke. If you include Crean's time at Marquette, then 0: Crean has been to a Final Four.
Painter would have been fired at IU or any other program worth a darn years ago. You don't get 19 years to prove yourself as a college basketball coach, and Painter will never make it to a final four, just like Gene. He is what is.
Last edited:
What's his face at Baylor got 17 years. You don't think the 2011 team was final 4 good? When you look at Purdue though, especially compared to iu over those 17 years, it's hard to say he wouldn't have had more success at iu though. Before Bobinski came along, he had zero admin support, which is why he dang near left. Now he has support and continued investment. Coincidence it has been his best 5 year run? Probably not.
Baylor after the murder fiasco is a pretty special exception. Bill Parcells said you are what your record says you are: Painter has been to 0 final fours. Scott Drew has a national championship on his record right now. Painter has had good teams, not great teams. He hasn't been good enough as a coach or had enough talent to make the final four. He is Tom Crean and basically a Keady repeat.
Never said that. But he proves you wrong when you say that if you can't do it in 15 years, you are going to. When we all know support and growth is more important than what happens in the first half of a coaches career. I'm not acting like Painter is a top 10 coach, but it's hard to no say he's a top 25/30 coach when projecting out over the next 10+ years imo. We will see what happens now that he has bigger budgets and more support.
Saying Painter/Purdue can't do anything is like saying iu football will never win a thing and you might as well shut the program down. But then again, by that logic, in 2016, you'd have argued Baylor wouldn't win a thing in basketball.
Now that they have support, watch out. St. Peter's and North Texas must be cash cows.
Wake me up when Painter has Scott Drew's record instead of losing to the Peacocks and Mean Green. Lloyd Christmas technically had a shot at Mary, I guess.
I think I understand throught your unwillingness to have a conversation about this. Purdue should fire everyone and shut down their athletic department because it's unlikely they ever win another game in any sport.
There is a difference between living in the past, dwelling on the past vs enjoying the past and learning from the past.
All teams have had their embarrassing loss. We got beat by Clevand State and some guy named Mousy McFadden years ago.
North Texas and St. Peter's say hello...and VCU just made another layup. broilees have lost to a lower seed in the tourney 17 times, an NCAA record. PorkChop has done more than his share of those losses.
...and then the next year IU was the National Champion. broilees followed the 14 seed loss to North Texas with a history making loss to the 15 seeded Peacocks, in what was the broilees "best team".
IU runs the best retirement program in the country for ex coaches! Then you hire a coach on Social Security with no college coaching experience! Then you run smack on Purdue, cause you want them to follow IU's lead?? Oh ya, congrats on your win in the play-in game and your 30 point pounding in the first round to ST Marys!
Congrats on keeping Tom Crean around for 19 years and historically shitting the bed against the 15 seeded Peacocks? If PU wants to stay in a bad relationship for two decades and accept mediocrity, knock yourselves out.
1980. Peacocks. Mean Green.
I think PU has the record in the NCAA tournament for the most losses to lower seeded teams. A pretty dubious record for a school with exactly zero NCAA championships. Go back to your own boards.
Similar threads
