Any word on Phinisee's availability for Florida St?
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No. Betting sites are listing him as questionable for FSU. Miller didn't sound as optimistic.
IU's Athletic Dept is strangely vague about injuries.
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At least there haven't been any morons stating HIPPA laws in this thread. Three people could be in sweats tomorrow and Rob could be warming up. Would not shock me in the least.
Well I think the kid from Culver has some dog in him but RP appears to be softer than a pillow unfortunately.
Sort of like your head. You know less than nothing about him and what he's experiencing and yet your infinite wisdom allows you to throw shade at a 19-year old who has played his guts out since day one at IU. Dolt.
You don't know a damn thing about the circumstances surrounding injured players.
Congrats on the #1 dick post of the year.
That is true. Though to be fair, there is a sense that there has been an inordinantly high number of missed injury games in the past two seasons and people are starting to wonder why. It is pretty normal to wonder what the heck is going on.
What hasn't been clearly addressed is whether there has been a change in policy at IU or just at IUBB, or just a new interpretation of the rules regarding injury and privacy, etc.
It would be good to have one of these rah rah so called analyst sites do an interview with the medical and training team to try to figure out what is going on.
Because when Brian Evans and Neil Reed and Pat Graham and Tom Coverdale and Alan Henderson and Devin Davis missed games, people knew exactly why.
Why do you feel you have the right "to know why"? Will knowing make the players heal any faster? Return to the court sooner?
HIPAA went into effect August 1996, so 4 of the 6 players you referenced sustained their injuries before then.
For Cov (ankle) and Davis (drug under Holt’s vehicle), their injuries weren’t something easily hidden.
I will agree, though, the injuries do raise questions as to why. First year was really only Davis; last year and this one we’ve had several. Bad Luck? Or something because of how the program is ran? I’ll believe the former until tangible proof confirms the latter.
I feel I have the right to know because I pay for season tickets and donate to the program. Is it because they are 18-22 years old and people consider them kids?
If I paid for Broadway tickets and one of the leads was not in the show, do I have a right to ask why they were not there? I should just shut up and enjoy what product they put on the floor? Not ask any questions because me knowing isn't going to have them preform any sooner?
I should just continue to pay good money for a product that is bad and have no explanation to why it is bad? Maybe that is why you can get into the Hall for $6 tonight for lower level seats against a ranked team. That hasn't happened in the history of Assembly Hall. If we lose tonight this will be rock bottom for enthusiasm for this program. That is not an opinion, that is a fact.
You can directly correlate enthusiasm to ticket sales and attendance. Tonight will be the worst attended ranked opponent in the history of AH. Maybe some people think it is ok to continually put a bad product on the floor and not tell anyone why the best players continually aren't there. Vast majority have just said peace out!
Tonight is a very very very important game. We really need to win.
I bet you've never played the game. Your post is stupid.
IU officials will always have the “late start” excuse on this one, regarding low attendance. I’ll be there for this one, doing my part, FWIW.
I wonder if all the missed time for “injuries” is a knee-jerked reaction to Wilson’s firing, supposedly initiated when it was subsequently revealed he was “forcing” injured players to participate before they were fully healed” Someone had to blow the whistle on him (the whistleblower!). Who was this guy and does he/she/it still walk the athletic hallways physically, or if not, spiritually? Is it a paranoid team physician or IU attorney being too cautious now? Is it...dare I say....no, I’m not going to go there because I don’t think the same thing is happening to other teams, so it’s not a generational age thing we’ve created with wanton radar lovers.
It is frustrating though, the relatively new need for secrecy. This whole HIPPA code of silence was initiated as a result of gay sex, the AIDS epidemic, which was slow to gain attention until it started to spill over into the more general heterogeneous population. Ironically, it protected AIDS sufferers from being ostracized in public as if leper’s, but have sex afterwards with a female and you can get thrown in jail for not publicizing it to your unsuspecting partner. What’s up with that double standard? We can get online to see which of our neighbors has been caught peeking at kiddy porn, but not who has been diagnosed with a potentially deadly disease transmitted through one of the strongest forces in the universe, the desire to have sex with nearly anyone and everyone.
I wonder if the term I used, “gay sex” will trigger this post to get taken down as “ inappropriate”? If so, it just goes to show how twisted this current society has let itself become.
My word man, choose your words more carefully in the future. You've obviously ruffled the "down feathers" of some members of this board. Perhaps you should have said the he appears "physically challenged" for the rigors of Division 1 basketball. "Soft as Pillow" outrageous , simply outrageous. I checked my pillow this morning. No IU basketball
player could be that soft. I certainly hope you've learned a lesson from all this.
You’ve taken some guff over your “softer than a pillow” comment, but in your defense I see your point. You preface the analogy with “appears to be”...It’s not that Robert P. IS softer than a pillow (a possible “pussy”, to steal a term from precocious boy’s locker room talk) but merely appears that way due to no fault of his own. “Appearance” was initiated several + years by Wilson’s “whistleblower” which I so eloquently expounded on elsewhere in this post if it hasn’t been taken down for including the term “gay sex”. Along this line of thought, the Culver kid could come in here next year as tough as nails but become silenced in the same way RP is, by overly cautious administrative policy, giving him the appearance of softness for not suiting up, using the pillow again, if you wish, in more descriptive analogy.
I think something is definitely going on here with this concussion protocol at IU, if indeed this latest “timeout” is even related to that, as if cloaked in the silence of poor communication as a right of the easily offended.
At this point I think it is fairly obvious that IU is more vague and non transparent than nearly every other university. I would say you are dead on with the reason stemming from Wilson. It would also fall in line with the way the IU Administration has been since the Knight firing. At the end of the day it is just another thing that really annoys me with the program.
This thread is all over the place.
First, I hope RP is getting better. When healthy he makes the team better on both ends of the court. His injury highlights the fact they are very thin at guard - so any injury to Al, DG, AF or Rob is going to cause a significant problem.
Rob's injury also makes it clear why CAM was going so hard after another PG for this season and next. He knew this was a possibility and none of the other guards are as good when they have to be long term primary ball handlers. It's the same issue Crean kept having while Yogi was running the team. In four seasons he could not land another quality PG to help Yogi or be in place after Yogi left.
As for HIPAA, it certainly made life easier for all coaches in all sports. They no longer have to reveal anything substantial about the status of a player. What's funny is, some will still share info and some will not. This guy's got "an ankle"; "a wrist", "a knee", and at other times the injury is apparently top secret. It could be they don't want an opponent to know who to prepare for or it could be the player does not want the information shared. They have several rights under this law.
I admit the injury bug seems to be more common with IU basketball and has for years. I cannot prove that but it just feels that way. Every year with Crean you would get a player or two showing up in a walking boot just as the season was about to start. Was it that way prior? I cannot recall. Injuries happen to all teams but someone would have to really dig into whether IU has more than average.
First, I hope RP is getting better. When healthy he makes the team better on both ends of the court. His injury highlights the fact they are very thin at guard - so any injury to Al, DG, AF or Rob is going to cause a significant problem.
Rob's injury also makes it clear why CAM was going so hard after another PG for this season and next. He knew this was a possibility and none of the other guards are as good when they have to be long term primary ball handlers. It's the same issue Crean kept having while Yogi was running the team. In four seasons he could not land another quality PG to help Yogi or be in place after Yogi left.
As for HIPAA, it certainly made life easier for all coaches in all sports. They no longer have to reveal anything substantial about the status of a player. What's funny is, some will still share info and some will not. This guy's got "an ankle"; "a wrist", "a knee", and at other times the injury is apparently top secret. It could be they don't want an opponent to know who to prepare for or it could be the player does not want the information shared. They have several rights under this law.
I admit the injury bug seems to be more common with IU basketball and has for years. I cannot prove that but it just feels that way. Every year with Crean you would get a player or two showing up in a walking boot just as the season was about to start. Was it that way prior? I cannot recall. Injuries happen to all teams but someone would have to really dig into whether IU has more than average.
Srs or making tongue in cheek?!
Bc those same ppl support Iu and without their support Iu is far from the IU as you know it.
Does that mean the "fans" of Iu make all the decisions(?) NO, of course not. But there is some common sense that there does become a line in which you need to respect those who follow IU and this is one of them.
Its way past time on this secrecy stuff
100000%
And furthermore I think its quite funny how both leagues (NBA\NCAA) preach about their "quality of product" until they dont.
But its 2019 and expected in this post 2016 self serving lying country
Back in Bob’s day, a lot of basketball fans were whinny despite making the tournament-it wasn’t enough for the new, up-and-coming fans. They expected more, as if privileged to the banners of post season excellence Knight himself had created. It comes with the general feeling of entitlement we see today in nearly all walks of life. It became more important, almost as if trendy, to be socially correct and it caused the tradition of IU basketball dominance, as we once knew of it, to lose our competitive edge, “The General”, who was so adept at instilling the discipline of toughness in his “warrior army”. Today, we hear the sound of eggshells beneath our feet while debating if our team has the mental toughness to make the tournament, our new barometer for success.
IU players used to walk into opposing arenas with a certain swagger to their gait, coming from knowing they were great. Opposing fans saw it, too, and it pissed them off to no end because there wasn’t anything they could do about it. So, they attacked the coach’s character, unmercifully after awhile, fueled by the media’s feeding frenzy they created. They were bound and determined to bring the man down because they weren’t a part of his success. Sound familiar today? That’s what happens in our survival of the fittest/dog-eat-dog world of social reality, the “New World Order”.
HIPPA can be waived. Give the kid a true choice, and if he doesn't care, you can talk about his playing prospects. A lot of other D1 basketball and football programs do it....many of those ADs are lawyers, all have lawyers on staff. Not many treat the paying public with as much indifference as the IU athletic dept. It does not seem to be a good business model.
That inch was not only given, but extended far beyond our dreams, such that it is our current (K)nightmare and that’s why watching IU basketball isn’t as much fun for those who were once there, before the “crack in the armor” to borrow a term, from Sun Tzu, found in his “The Art of War”, one of Bob’s favorite books. That was too long of a sentence but I won’t take the time to fix it.
So instead of spending the season rooting for them to make the tourney and delaying the bitching until the end of the season when we find out if they do or do not achieve said goal, you elect to bitch all season until your demands are met?
We don't have a right to know. And IU doesn't have a right to expect continued loyalty when they decide to treat their fans with indifference.
