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Another sign the USA is going down

Can't that be said of most foods? Short of Mexican, I have never had someone make a Mexican meal as good as a restaurant, just about anything else I "can" get at home about as good. Especially Italian, good pasta and a good sauce isn't hard. I scare quoted can because the issue becomes time, and practice. It is far easier to open a box of pasta and a jar of sauce so making a really good sauce just isn't done often.

I keep thinking I should get into smoking meat, but I am skeptical I would spend the time needed. A SiL smoked turkey for Thanksgiving, holy cow was that good. I had never had a turkey I thought to be good before, just versions of "edible".


 
They’re just all so old and shitty and gross. I’m not convinced that sector is dead just the chains that fill it are worn out
Don't you dare bad-mouth the Denny's Grand Slam breakfast. It's iconic.
 
We used to go to Applebee's to watch late night games and get half priced apps and those tall drafts. Decades ago they had steak that was also actually pretty decent for the $11 or whatever. I can't imagine the steaks are worth a shit today.
Their riblets were heavenly. Do they still have them?
 
Apparently they're coming back, was just announced.
I think the grandson of the original owner is starting it back up with 2 locations in Minneapolis.

I used to love that place.
 
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Yeah Outback and macaroni grille went under by me
Used to love Macaroni Grill. I think some of these places actually changed too much - got away from what they did best in order to modernize their menu.

Never a big fan of Outback, except for the Bloomin' Onion.
 
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I will say there’s a Texas Roadhouse by my mom’s house and that lot is packed!
There's a waitlist at the Kokomo Texas Roadhouse EVERY night.

It's fine dining there.

And, I have to say, I've never had a bad experience there. I much prefer it to Outback.
 
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For cheap steaks, Roadhouse is good. The last several visits between it and Outback, it has been better.

My biggest complaint about Roadhouse is how loud it is. One almost need to learn ASL to converse in there. So for cheap I like Longhorn.

And all I visit are the low-end places, I am far too cheap to go to Elmo's, Fogo, or even Janko's. If I had Musk's money, I would have a standing reservation at Fogo.
I love Longhorn - probably my favorite cheap steak place. Their seasoning on the steak is really good
 
Used to get loaded at half price margs and every Friday at the one in Castleton. Worked across the street. Thank god no cell phones existed although there’s a few pics I’d have probably kept.
Were you the guy who puked on me there in the 80s?
 
Can't that be said of most foods? Short of Mexican, I have never had someone make a Mexican meal as good as a restaurant, just about anything else I "can" get at home about as good. Especially Italian, good pasta and a good sauce isn't hard. I scare quoted can because the issue becomes time, and practice. It is far easier to open a box of pasta and a jar of sauce so making a really good sauce just isn't done often.

I keep thinking I should get into smoking meat, but I am skeptical I would spend the time needed. A SiL smoked turkey for Thanksgiving, holy cow was that good. I had never had a turkey I thought to be good before, just versions of "edible".
My nephew fries his turkey in oil and it's really good - very moist inside, but very done outside. It's delicious, but I have to admit, I still like the regular oven-roasted turkey that is somewhat seasoned. But deep frying it is a helluva lot faster
 
Try Tony’s next time! Best Steak in Indy.
Where is it?

You're down in Florida. I don't know how chain restaurants stay in business down there - there are so many great non-chain places to eat. I'm not a Florida guy, but wow, the food is great.

By the way, if you're hankering for a breaded tenderloin, go to the North Naples Country Club or the Bonita Country Club, which is owned by the same people and fairly new. The Naples one is real dive with a great Taco Tuesday deal.
 
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You're down in Florida. I don't know how chain restaurants stay in business down there - there are so many great non-chain places to eat. I'm not a Florida guy, but wow, the food is great.

By the way, if you're hankering for a breaded tenderloin, go to the North Naples Country Club or the Bonita Country Club, which is owned by the same people and fairly new. The Naples one is real dive with a great Taco Tuesday deal.
If you want the best steak in that area, go Andre’s steakhouse.
 
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My grandson is with the Flynn Restaurant Group which owns over 2,400 franchises (Applebees, Pizza Huts, Paneras, Wendys, and others).

When I ask him about the economy and the big picture in terms of what the general public wants, he tells me the Flynn group focus is on making each location competitive within the market it serves.

In other words, make each restaurant the best it can be. This means thinking local, starting with the local manager and employees along with providing a pleasant dining experience for the customers.

As my grandson says, we cannot control the national or local economies, but we can try to make each store the best it can be given the circumstances and challenges of each location.
 
My nephew fries his turkey in oil and it's really good - very moist inside, but very done outside. It's delicious, but I have to admit, I still like the regular oven-roasted turkey that is somewhat seasoned. But deep frying it is a helluva lot faster
Fried Turkey is the best, but a good oven baked is good too. This year my BIL did the fried and I did a Turducken in the oven. Deboning turkey isn’t as easy as the YouTube experts make it look, but I got ‘er done.
 
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Can't that be said of most foods? Short of Mexican, I have never had someone make a Mexican meal as good as a restaurant, just about anything else I "can" get at home about as good. Especially Italian, good pasta and a good sauce isn't hard. I scare quoted can because the issue becomes time, and practice. It is far easier to open a box of pasta and a jar of sauce so making a really good sauce just isn't done often.

I keep thinking I should get into smoking meat, but I am skeptical I would spend the time needed. A SiL smoked turkey for Thanksgiving, holy cow was that good. I had never had a turkey I thought to be good before, just versions of "edible".
Chinese, too. Impossible to make it as good as a restaurant.
 
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Fried Turkey is the best, but a good oven baked is good too. This year my BIL did the fried and I did a Turducken in the oven. Deboning turkey isn’t as easy as the YouTube experts make it look, but I got ‘er done.

All turkey is shit. Let's celebrate a holiday by eating what I throw on a sandwich on a random Tuesday.

There's a reason no restaurant puts turkey on a menu outside of a deli. It's cheap shit poultry.
 
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All turkey is shit. Let's celebrate a holiday by eating what I throw on a sandwich on a random Tuesday.

There's a reason no restaurant puts turkey on a menu outside of a deli
Sure they do. I have had turkey at restaurants. Do you like chicken? If you like chicken but don’t like turkey whoever did the turkey is doing it wrong.
 
Unsurprisingly, I have some insight on this.

Casual dining is still plenty profitable. Done correctly, you can make plenty of money running a casual, upscale casual, or family dining establishment. Here are the problems:

1. Profits aren't as high as they used to be pre-Covid, which for brands owned by private equity firms, which at this point is almost all of them, is tantamount to failure. So they declare bankruptcy before they need to, they shut down restaurants that are or at least could be profitable, and they trim costs wherever they can, to make the investor prospectus sheet look better.

2. Most companies that hold these restaurants don't intend to keep them. They are trying to squeeze as much money out of them as they can, and then sell the brands. In order to make these decimated brands attractive, they focus more on bumping the bottom line than they do growing or sustaining the business itself. This is what ultimately killed Red Lobster.

3. The restaurant industry right now is enamored by a business model that focuses entirely on labor efficiency above all else. This isn't exactly new, but the level it's being taken to is making running restaurants near impossible for many people. It used to be, you'd make your profit by cutting waste, by earning new customers, and by keeping labor down to a reasonable level. Now, you just slash labor. Period. And you expect the small number of people who are left to find some way to still sell the food.

4. The menu is unwieldly. Related to #3, you can't use a skeleton crew to sell a ten-page menu. Very few companies have come to grips with the fact that, if you are going to slash labor to a minimum, you need a tiny, streamlined menu that just a small number of people can handle. Waffle House has figured it out. Go to a Waffle House sometime, and ask yourself why you can't even get French Fries anymore. The reason is, because they figured out how to design a menu that even during a busy period, only three employees could handle.

Long story short, the casual dining concept is (or could be) alive and well, but the people who own many casual dining concepts haven't yet figured out what they need to accept to make it happen.
What’s the labor/food percentage of sales these folks are pointing for now?
 
For cheap steaks, Roadhouse is good. The last several visits between it and Outback, it has been better.

Never been to Roadhouse. Back in the day we hit the old Ponderosa a time or two, but it wasn't all that impressive. As far as Outback, it's okay but the last time or two we went I got the shrimp and rice. In my old age, I'm just not that big of an eater anymore and a big steak isn't nearly as appealing as it used to be.

Short of Mexican, I have never had someone make a Mexican meal as good as a restaurant, just about anything else I "can" get at home about as good. Especially Italian, good pasta and a good sauce isn't hard.

Same for Chinese. Either one is better at the restaurant. As I've mentioned many times before, the battleaxe is a good cook and likes to do it. She once made gyros from scratch, which is a huge undertaking. Now she buys the meat and pita, but makes the sauce herself. My favorite of her home made meals is a shrimp pasta alfredo she does occasionally.
 
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All turkey is shit. Let's celebrate a holiday by eating what I throw on a sandwich on a random Tuesday.

There's a reason no restaurant puts turkey on a menu outside of a deli. It's cheap shit poultry.
This is the correct answer.
 
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Sure they do. I have had turkey at restaurants. Do you like chicken? If you like chicken but don’t like turkey whoever did the turkey is doing it wrong.

Chicken is fine. It's another basic cheap protein. Not getting excited to have it for any meal.

I question what the hell anyone is doing ordering turkey at a restaurant. Like a real restaurant or like Bob Evans or MCL cafeteria?
 
Chicken is fine. It's another basic cheap protein. Not getting excited to have it for any meal.

I question what the hell anyone is doing ordering turkey at a restaurant. Like a real restaurant or like Bob Evans or MCL cafeteria?
MCL Cafeteria. OMG. Concord Mall. Old people. 1970s. Wall to wall reddish-maroon carpet. WW2era plastic trays. "Dad, do we have to eat here? The people have that same smell as Aunt May at that "home" she lives in."
 
Never been to Roadhouse. Back in the day we hit the old Ponderosa a time or two, but it wasn't all that impressive. As far as Outback, it's okay but the last time or two we went I got the shrimp and rice. In my old age, I'm just not that big of an eater anymore and a big steak isn't nearly as appealing as it used to be.



Same for Chinese. Either one is better at the restaurant. As I've mentioned many times before, the battleaxe is a good cook and likes to do it. She once made gyros from scratch, which is a huge undertaking. Now she buys the meat and pita, but makes the sauce herself. My favorite of her home made meals is a shrimp pasta alfredo she does occasionally.
Got so tired of ponderosa. Team college trips it was endless. Shoney’s breakfast bar, which was disgusting, and dinner at ponderosa or Olive Garden
 
Chicken is fine. It's another basic cheap protein. Not getting excited to have it for any meal.

I question what the hell anyone is doing ordering turkey at a restaurant. Like a real restaurant or like Bob Evans or MCL cafeteria?
Haven’t heard of turkey pot pie, hot shots or The Hot Brown, a Louisville specialty? Delicious stuff.

When I make turkey (and not just for Thanksgiving) it’s as flavorful, juicy and tender as when I do a whole chicken. It’s excellent stuff. Tonight I’m doing some juicy pork chops. Stuff has to be cooked right to be right.
 
Can't that be said of most foods? Short of Mexican, I have never had someone make a Mexican meal as good as a restaurant, just about anything else I "can" get at home about as good. Especially Italian, good pasta and a good sauce isn't hard. I scare quoted can because the issue becomes time, and practice. It is far easier to open a box of pasta and a jar of sauce so making a really good sauce just isn't done often.

I keep thinking I should get into smoking meat, but I am skeptical I would spend the time needed. A SiL smoked turkey for Thanksgiving, holy cow was that good. I had never had a turkey I thought to be good before, just versions of "edible".
So much good stuff is really easy at home nowadays.

Startvwith Sam’s club corn shrimp chowder, add a little milk to thin it, some white wine, some cod cubed in 1 inch pieces, and more shrimp, some Old Bay, simmer for a while, and wallla, the best sea food chowder you can get anywhere.

Mexican? Take a large tortilla, smear it with refried beans, add ground beef cooked in taco seasoning, roll up, top with Hatch stew or Hatch green chili sauce, , pop in the microwave for a bit, throw on some shredded cheese, and enjoy with DosXX amber.
 

If Americans spent less for stuff and instead saved/invested for their future along with eating at home rather than dining out, shouldn't the headline read...

Americans getting smarter

Rather than...

Another sign America is going down
 
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