another elementary school shooting

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Brandon asks, "why do we keep letting this happen?" By that logic once we figure out who the lunatic got permission from to kill people we should be able to solve the problem. I know he didn't ask me.

Same old tired arguments from the left. Blame the inanimate object and take away everyone's guns. They never answer the question - what law can you implement to prevent criminals from committing crimes? If Chicago and New York have some of the most intense gun laws in the nation how do people still end up getting shot? In Chicago, 20 - 30 shot is an average weekend but you hear nothing from the left. Crickets.

But guns can kill in higher volumes!!! No, people using a gun can kill in high volume. Just as a car driven through a crowd of innocent people in a parade can kill in high volume. But that car had to be driven by someone. Some person made a conscious decision to take the lives of others in both situations. The responsibility is on the person. Not the object used.

If you remove guns completely (100%/all guns) it won't stop the criminals from getting a gun. Remember, drugs are illegal and they pour across our border, including fentanyl, yet the criminals are able to get them in large volumes and sell it on the streets. If they are caught it's likely a liberal DA will put them right back on the street. Fact is, there is no law a criminal won't break if they choose to do it. The outcome to taking guns away from the law abiding citizen is criminals will have guns and the law abiding citizens will now be defenseless. This is the goal of the Marxist left anyway. It opens the door to everything else they want to do to this country.

But thankfully the courts have always upheld the second amendment and most Americans agree with that decision. Finally, the mindset of most law abiding citizens is the same - come and take it.

People have to take a test and get a license to drive a car. Cars also have license plates to identify the car and who they belong to. Treating guns the same way would be a good first step

Just need the conservatives to get out of the way so common sense legislation can be enacted.

what happened to being pro life? Oh, not when the topic is about "ma guns"

btw, got 1 link showing a dem saying to take away everyone's guns? the non-existent boogeyman to get the 2nd amendment warriors all riled up.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I’ve seen them stumble in, not get served but still allowed to leave. I’ve seen them pick up someone else’s drink too. Is that still prosecutable? You see were I’m going with this.

prosecutable - just to be clear dram shop cases are civil liability. only money. in your facts no. the bar never served the person

 

[RBB89]

Brandon asks, "why do we keep letting this happen?" By that logic once we figure out who the lunatic got permission from to kill people we should be able to solve the problem. I know he didn't ask me.

Same old tired arguments from the left. Blame the inanimate object and take away everyone's guns. They never answer the question - what law can you implement to prevent criminals from committing crimes? If Chicago and New York have some of the most intense gun laws in the nation how do people still end up getting shot? In Chicago, 20 - 30 shot is an average weekend but you hear nothing from the left. Crickets.

But guns can kill in higher volumes!!! No, people using a gun can kill in high volume. Just as a car driven through a crowd of innocent people in a parade can kill in high volume. But that car had to be driven by someone. Some person made a conscious decision to take the lives of others in both situations. The responsibility is on the person. Not the object used.

If you remove guns completely (100%/all guns) it won't stop the criminals from getting a gun. Remember, drugs are illegal and they pour across our border, including fentanyl, yet the criminals are able to get them in large volumes and sell it on the streets. If they are caught it's likely a liberal DA will put them right back on the street. Fact is, there is no law a criminal won't break if they choose to do it. The outcome to taking guns away from the law abiding citizen is criminals will have guns and the law abiding citizens will now be defenseless. This is the goal of the Marxist left anyway. It opens the door to everything else they want to do to this country.

But thankfully the courts have always upheld the second amendment and most Americans agree with that decision. Finally, the mindset of most law abiding citizens is the same - come and take it.

These are some tremendous talking points. Well done.

 

[mcmurtry66]

In reality how is a bar insurable? They serve alcohol. I suppose in urban areas where walking home is an option but how many people really go to a bar and don't get at least a buzz?

Visibily intoxicated has a definition: significantly uncoordinated physical action or something. I can't remember. But it's defined

 

[twenty02]

Brandon asks, "why do we keep letting this happen?" By that logic once we figure out who the lunatic got permission from to kill people we should be able to solve the problem. I know he didn't ask me.

Same old tired arguments from the left. Blame the inanimate object and take away everyone's guns. They never answer the question - what law can you implement to prevent criminals from committing crimes? If Chicago and New York have some of the most intense gun laws in the nation how do people still end up getting shot? In Chicago, 20 - 30 shot is an average weekend but you hear nothing from the left. Crickets.

But guns can kill in higher volumes!!! No, people using a gun can kill in high volume. Just as a car driven through a crowd of innocent people in a parade can kill in high volume. But that car had to be driven by someone. Some person made a conscious decision to take the lives of others in both situations. The responsibility is on the person. Not the object used.

If you remove guns completely (100%/all guns) it won't stop the criminals from getting a gun. Remember, drugs are illegal and they pour across our border, including fentanyl, yet the criminals are able to get them in large volumes and sell it on the streets. If they are caught it's likely a liberal DA will put them right back on the street. Fact is, there is no law a criminal won't break if they choose to do it. The outcome to taking guns away from the law abiding citizen is criminals will have guns and the law abiding citizens will now be defenseless. This is the goal of the Marxist left anyway. It opens the door to everything else they want to do to this country.

But thankfully the courts have always upheld the second amendment and most Americans agree with that decision. Finally, the mindset of most law abiding citizens is the same - come and take it.

Nice slobbering rant, Cletus.....

 

[Crayfish57]

Nice slobbering rant, Cletus.....

Likewise Buford........

 

[bawlmer]

But those games are sold worldwide. Is it that kids around the world are similarly triggered but don't have access to guns like here?

We've got at least one study subject in Buffalo, who live-streamed the shooting. Could be interesting if he responds differently to violent stimulation than other people.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

prosecutable - just to be clear dram shop cases are civil liability. only money. in your facts no. the bar never served the person

And something akin to a dram shop law wouldn't, by itself, solve the problem. But, in concert with other regs it might at least change the thought process on the easy availability of guns

Maybe. The thing is guns are easy to get regardless of FFL. Lots of work to do but the FFL angle is very touchy with the laws today. The feds screwed this one up.

 

[larsIU]

Maybe. The thing is guns are easy to get regardless of FFL. Lots of work to do but the FFL angle is very touchy with the laws today. The feds screwed this one up.

Oh agree 100%. We made this shitty bed. However, leaving it up to Congress to solve is a fool's errand. I really like the angle COH takes on this. Get rid of immunity in nearly all facets of the transactions which put a gun in someone's hands. Those governed by profitability will solve the problem.

 

[ulrey]

Hopefully not, but the policies you support certainly have.

The policies you support have destroyed the nuclear family! congrats

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

Brandon asks, "why do we keep letting this happen?" By that logic once we figure out who the lunatic got permission from to kill people we should be able to solve the problem. I know he didn't ask me.

Same old tired arguments from the left. Blame the inanimate object and take away everyone's guns. They never answer the question - what law can you implement to prevent criminals from committing crimes? If Chicago and New York have some of the most intense gun laws in the nation how do people still end up getting shot? In Chicago, 20 - 30 shot is an average weekend but you hear nothing from the left. Crickets.

But guns can kill in higher volumes!!! No, people using a gun can kill in high volume. Just as a car driven through a crowd of innocent people in a parade can kill in high volume. But that car had to be driven by someone. Some person made a conscious decision to take the lives of others in both situations. The responsibility is on the person. Not the object used.

If you remove guns completely (100%/all guns) it won't stop the criminals from getting a gun. Remember, drugs are illegal and they pour across our border, including fentanyl, yet the criminals are able to get them in large volumes and sell it on the streets. If they are caught it's likely a liberal DA will put them right back on the street. Fact is, there is no law a criminal won't break if they choose to do it. The outcome to taking guns away from the law abiding citizen is criminals will have guns and the law abiding citizens will now be defenseless. This is the goal of the Marxist left anyway. It opens the door to everything else they want to do to this country.

But thankfully the courts have always upheld the second amendment and most Americans agree with that decision. Finally, the mindset of most law abiding citizens is the same - come and take it.

EDITED

 

[bawlmer]

Oh agree 100%. We made this shitty bed. However, leaving it up to Congress to solve is a fool's errand. I really like the angle COH takes on this. Get rid of immunity in nearly all facets of the transactions which put a gun in someone's hands. Those governed by profitability will solve the problem.

And a national gun registry, to put well-regulated back in the 2nd amendment.

 

[BCCHoosier]

dumb**** of the day

He posts like the stupid frosh that he is. Looking at his previous responses he looks like someone who posts to trigger rather than engage in meaningful dialogue.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

It would seem mental health needs addressed by schools counselors and maybe focused more on than pushing everyone in to college.

So, like social and emotional learning?

 

[bawlmer]

I’m not being a smart ass. It’s not the same under current laws. They don’t check ids for ammo.

I understand that. But I can't understand why there should be statutory protection from liability for firearms commerce, especially manufacturers. I get that none of this will solve anything over night. But more arguing is getting us nowhere. And I include Biden's initial statement pointing at the GOP. That's just the same ole knee-jerk reaction that leaves us nowhere.

 

[Bill4411]

Whoa. I’m supposed to feel differently about young teens shooting other young teens than I do about a school shooting?

In Denver 4 people were shot in the last 12 hours. Crimes involving guns are up all over. Yes, there are differences, but our public response must be more uniform and consistent.

Edit: in all cases we are talking about individuals who have no respect for human life. That is an insidious problem. We can’t address it by haranguing the dreaded gun lobby. As I’ve said often, I firmly believe that we can and should do some things about guns. But the larger issue is figuring out how and why we produce so many people who don’t care about life, including their own

Full circle to my first post in this thread. I’ve said all I can

Family used to be everything and you were surrounded by people that tried to help you. People did not move around a lot and there was usually someone that could take care of the children. I think the failure of the family unit not just mom and dad- but the aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. that used to be there.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

I understand that. But I can't understand why there should be statutory protection from liability for firearms commerce, especially manufacturers. I get that none of this will solve anything over night. But more arguing is getting us nowhere. And I include Biden's initial statement pointing at the GOP. That's just the same ole knee-jerk reaction that leaves us nowhere.

That’s the problem though. Our government has done a terrible job. Both parties are just show. They say things to make their constituents to feel better.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

And a national gun registry, to put well-regulated back in the 2nd amendment.

I agree except they can’t even keep the registry they have straight. It takes days of digging to find who owns the guns. All it takes to throw a wrench in that is a file or dremmel.

 

[zeke4ahs]

With all due respect, my stoker said, and I agree, that there are not enough males in k-12 education. This is particularly true for Middle School. Don’t know how to fix that. I do know that male SRO’s who actually participated in school functions had a positive impact but the George Floyd reactions ruined things.

Oh I agree and to add to that , there are hardly any in elementary, usually the gym teacher and one upper elementary. At three different schools, I worked with one male in early education. They need those early role models.

 

[Bill4411]

Those are at least full of adults that can do something theoretically.

Can you imagine what the cost would be to actually stop the gun violence? I'm sure we don't want to pay for it, which is why people like Cruz want to make the teachers carry because it would not cost much. Of course, it won't do anything, but it avoids otherwise awkward expensive decisions.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Can you imagine what the cost would be to actually stop the gun violence? I'm sure we don't want to pay for it, which is why people like Cruz want to make the teachers carry because it would not cost much. Of course, it won't do anything, but it avoids otherwise awkward expensive decisions.

There is always a money(funds) component. I just don’t know why our school system took our resource officers away. I know for a fact it was politically driven. The optics looked good but the intent was wack!!!

 

[zeke4ahs]

I don’t have good solutions. But let’s start with:

• Stop vilifying young men in the name of equal rights - which has been achieved years ago but the nonsense from the Left continues
• arming school counselors with ability to check in on the kids that aren’t fitting in - and make recommendations about their mental health and medical
• Stop promoting (I mean promoting - I don’t mean accepting) alternative lifestyles and further confusing our youth
• Learn from the disastrous COVID decisions made affecting our schools and kids - isolation, lock downs, masking, hybrid models - weren’t necessary and didn’t work
• Stop coddling our children. Look at what the good liberals at the NY Dept of Ed are saying. Such nonsense. https://twitter.com/nysednews/status/1529131236513439744?s=21&t=FG-jGLikV5dQLgSdAk2Yxg

Can you give me examples of number 1?
Strongly agree on 2.
Not sure number 3 is as big of a problem as you.
Hopefully we won’t have to deal with number 4 again.
Couldn’t read link. I think in some cases kids are coddled too much and in some cases they have to grow up way too early , just depends on the environment.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Repeal immunity.

ban semi-auto for most long guns.

Magazine limits for semi-auto hand guns

Expand stop and frisk and expand grounds for confiscating guns.

That's a pretty solid start.

 

[outside shooter]

Can you imagine what the cost would be to actually stop the gun violence? I'm sure we don't want to pay for it, which is why people like Cruz want to make the teachers carry because it would not cost much. Of course, it won't do anything, but it avoids otherwise awkward expensive decisions.

You won't stop all gun violence, but the mass murders in public spaces could very likely be curbed. Would it really be that expensive to follow through with basically what Australia did? They are a largely rural sprawling coutry with many "wide west" areas where gun culture thrived. They woke up and decided "no more". After that, we've had countless USA massacres.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Sounds just like the abortion zealots.

Or the anti abortion zealots? Or anti birth control?

 

[zeke4ahs]

I’m all for better arming police and training them to be able to take down schmucks like Ramos. But another side wants to defund them and hire more social workers.

Hitting a moving (and engaged) target is not easy - and especially difficult with pistols which are very inaccurate at range. Part of our actions should be to get semi auto long guns into squad cars and have several trained marksmen per force.

I’ve seen the same reports and I think we’ll find out that local PD wasn’t aggressive enough in getting into that school. If they could engage him outside they should be able to catch up to him quickly.

There are very few that actually want to defund the police. Do you have an issue with hire social workers/ mental health experts to work with the police? We are talking about a monstrous mental health problem in our country. That seems like a pretty good idea to me.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Can you give me examples of number 1?
Strongly agree on 2.
Not sure number 3 is as big of a problem as you.
Hopefully we won’t have to deal with number 4 again.
Couldn’t read link. I think in some cases kids are coddled too much and in some cases they have to grow up way too early , just depends on the environment.

Don’t now what happened to the link, but it’s repeated below.

For #1, the casual tossing around of the phrase “toxic masculinity” and the depiction of young men as perverts or causing them to devolve into Incels has become quite a problem. It causes boys to tune out and be disenfranchised. It’s all over the internet, social media and in many homes - especially those of single mothers.

Young Men and Society: We Will Only Get Out What We Put In

When our book Man Interrupted was published in 2016, concern over boy’s and men’s issues, however legitimate, could not have been more unpopular. It’s a new world out there for everybody, yet amidst the shifting economic, social, and technological climates, boys are getting left behind. There...

ifstudies.org

NYS

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

There are very few that actually want to defund the police. Do you have an issue with hire social workers/ mental health experts to work with the police? We are talking about a monstrous mental health problem in our country. That seems like a pretty good idea to me.

Sure, to ride along on domestic disputes. Not to talk active shooters down. That seems like a pretty bad idea to me.

 

[kraft cheese+macaroni]

There are very few that actually want to defund the police. Do you have an issue with hire social workers/ mental health experts to work with the police? We are talking about a monstrous mental health problem in our country. That seems like a pretty good idea to me.

That's where whoever the idiots are that decided to name the movement 'Defund the Police' screwed themselves over.

MOST PEOPLE that want to 'defund the police' want the resources put into mental health and social workers because those people are trained to deal with those problems and LEOs shouldn't be dealing with them (outside of dangerous situations).

It's a reallocation of resources. And I know cops who are in favor of it. Or they agree that incorporating more mental health/social worker types into the situations they currently have to deal with would be beneficial to all....but they don't want it done at the expense of losing feet on the street of LEOs.

 

[walkerman]

Was the shooter really an illegal Alien and a transgender?

19 children and two teachers are dead, and you try to be funny. Most of your posts are harmless but this one is really tasteless.

 

[DANC]

Deinstitutionalization had consequences

Sad to say, that happened under Reagan.

As I've said in the past, ideology is fine to follow, as long as it doesn't take you off a cliff. And that's what's happened with doing away with mental institutions.

 

[DANC]

19 children and two teachers are dead, and you try to be funny. Most of your posts are harmless but this one is really tasteless.

Beto O'Roarke butted in on the Texas' Governor's press conference today. Acted like a real asshole.

Why don't you bitch about Beto trying to turn this into his political advantage?

By the way, the Governor called him a 'sick sof-of-a-bitch', which is quite accurate.

EDIT: It wasn't the Governor - another official on stage.

 

[DANC]

Such a sad state of fvcking affairs. We need to figure out how to disable these lunatics before they do such unspeakable acts. Where are the parents? The Lanza kids parents should have been charged with manslaughter.

this kid’s just the same. Start holding parents accountable for their offspring that commits unspeakable acts

I think the parents should report strange behavior to the police. If they don't, they should be held criminally responsible.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

That's where whoever the idiots are that decided to name the movement 'Defund the Police' screwed themselves over.

MOST PEOPLE that want to 'defund the police' want the resources put into mental health and social workers because those people are trained to deal with those problems and LEOs shouldn't be dealing with them (outside of dangerous situations).

It's a reallocation of resources. And I know cops who are in favor of it. Or they agree that incorporating more mental health/social worker types into the situations they currently have to deal with would be beneficial to all....but they don't want it done at the expense of losing feet on the street of LEOs.

Sorry, that’s the new tag line but at the onset there were plenty of loons calling to literally disband the police. Sane people voted it down in Minneapolis.

Opinion | Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police (Published 2020)

Because reform won’t happen.

www.nytimes.com

‘The world is looking at us’: Minneapolis puts ‘defund the police’ to a vote

The city will decide on a sweeping measure that would limit the size, scope and influence of its police department.

www.politico.com

 

[mcmurtry66]

Sorry, that’s the new tag line but at the onset there were plenty of loons calling to literally disband the police. Sane people voted it down in Minneapolis.

Opinion | Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police (Published 2020)

Because reform won’t happen.

www.nytimes.com

‘The world is looking at us’: Minneapolis puts ‘defund the police’ to a vote

The city will decide on a sweeping measure that would limit the size, scope and influence of its police department.

www.politico.com

Not to mention the departments that actually did cut budgets

 

[DANC]

Not to mention the departments that actually did cut budgets

A Billion dollars in NYC

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Sad to say, that happened under Reagan.

As I've said in the past, ideology is fine to follow, as long as it doesn't take you off a cliff. And that's what's happened with doing away with mental institutions.

I thought so too but LBJ started the trend.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

That's where whoever the idiots are that decided to name the movement 'Defund the Police' screwed themselves over.

MOST PEOPLE that want to 'defund the police' want the resources put into mental health and social workers because those people are trained to deal with those problems and LEOs shouldn't be dealing with them (outside of dangerous situations).

It's a reallocation of resources. And I know cops who are in favor of it. Or they agree that incorporating more mental health/social worker types into the situations they currently have to deal with would be beneficial to all....but they don't want it done at the expense of losing feet on the street of LEOs.

They would be beneficial to the people working in law enforcement too. They might be seen as someone to talk to after traumatic events in thier lives and in the field. I think the defund movement got lost.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Sad to say, that happened under Reagan.

The bulk of it happened from mid-60s to late-70s, but Reagan certainly seemed to get that wrong

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

That's where whoever the idiots are that decided to name the movement 'Defund the Police' screwed themselves over.

MOST PEOPLE that want to 'defund the police' want the resources put into mental health and social workers because those people are trained to deal with those problems and LEOs shouldn't be dealing with them (outside of dangerous situations).

It's a reallocation of resources. And I know cops who are in favor of it. Or they agree that incorporating more mental health/social worker types into the situations they currently have to deal with would be beneficial to all....but they don't want it done at the expense of losing feet on the street of LEOs.

I'm sure a social worker was going to talk Ramos down...