Depends on your biohazard safety level of the lab (BSL-4, BSL-3, BSL-2, BSL-1)
Your work day is way oversimplified.
They are scientists. You have team meetings, seminars, lunch breaks. Nobody suits up at a front door and is hermetically sealed for 8 hrs, ever. People don't work like that. Part of the day is also spent in an office at your computer, planning how to do the work.
Yea were all buying this new sh!t. Are you kidding me? They shove this sh!t in our face through news and movies its hilarious. Why doesn't Fauci have a spectre ring
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I'm not trying to be a butthole, and I'm no expert on this subject. But I am confused by what I perceive as inconsistency in your reasoning...
No joke. Common Sense Patriot Rand Paul painted a pretty clear picture when he questioned Fauci. And Paul is a doctor while Fauci is just another Dem political operative like that snake Vindman.
Did Gaetz offer to rescue all of the underage girls yet? I say that because he has been accused of trafficking and having sex with minors. That's the guy you just retweeted.
"I'm not trying to be a butthole, and I'm no expert on this subject."
I get it, but the entire reason that a lab was there in the first place was that it was proximal to where wild animals lived that were known to be carrying viruses that could one day cross over. Viruses that had crossed over before. We think that the secondary carrier for SARS1 back in 2003 was civet cats. So the fact that one did cross over 20 miles from the lab isn't really a cooincidence as much as a validation of the original reasons for establishing a virology institute there in the first place. Its a hot zone where animal/human interactions are all too frequent.
To me the problem with shooters attempt to reason this through is that the virus had to come from somewhere. That is, if not the lab then the coon dog or the bat had to get it from somewhere. And had to go viral. Did it already go viral among coon dogs or bats? She doesn’t have any answers to any of these questions. He’s just throwing darts at the logic dartboard. I’m not refuting his logic, I’m just saying.
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Of course. My point is that, evidently, laboratories are now in competition with mother nature to produce the “best” virus.
That’s a much better argument in my opinion. Let me know if you need any more help refining your position.
Actually I like to put myself in as many possible positions as I can. Thought experiments. The only reason I look at the conspiratorial angle here is because people have raised that since the beginning of the pandemic. I’m not a proponent of conspiracy theories in general.
Bill Gates wants to rid dirt poor countries of tropical diseases that can be eradicated by vaccination. Do you really think that tribesmen in malaria- infested Sub-Saharan Africa have have big fat wallets to deliver him more private jets? The books of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are wide open. They give away tons of money, not rake it in. Whatever an evil schmuck he may have been (and maybe he did frequent Epstein island, maybe he cheated on Melinda, and maybe Microsoft was dirty as all getout), his recent focus on biomedicine has not been a part of that legacy. It's been hugely beneficial.
Yeah I've watched a few documentaries on him and read a bit about him. The work he's doing is great. What's more he doesn't have to spend his time with those endeavors. He's an asset to the world. I always appreciate those people that do when they don't have to. I can't stand Anderson Cooper and his politics. I think he's as partisan as it gets. That said he never needed to work a day of his life. I respect the hell out of the guy and his career
The multi-national team of authors of two studies released Saturday (150 pages, caveat: not yet peer-reviewed) concluded that the coronavirus was very likely present in live mammals sold at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in late 2019 and suggested that the virus spilled over into people working or shopping there on two separate occasions.
A third study was released on Friday from a Chinese group that had swabbed walls, floors and other surfaces inside the market, as well as meat still in freezers and refrigerators, right after authorities had closed the market, though no live animals remained there. They reported that the Huanan market samples included two evolutionary branches of the virus, known as lineages A and B, both of which had been circulating in early COVID cases in China. Earlier evidence had suggested that the market was only linked to lineage B, and therefore couldn’t be responsible for the initial outbreak of lineage A.
The studies together suggest at least two spillover events occurred at the market, at least one for each lineage.
press reports:
Pair of Studies Say COVID Originated in Wuhan Market
Scientists released a pair of extensive studies Saturday that point to a market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the coronavirus pandemic. Analyzing data from a variety of sources, they concluded that the coronavirus was very likely present in live mammals sold in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale...news.yahoo.com
New Research Points to Wuhan Market as Pandemic Origin (Published 2022)
Two new studies say the virus was present in animals at the Huanan seafood market in 2019.www.nytimes.com
two of the papers:
SARS-CoV-2 emergence very likely resulted from at least two zoonotic events
Understanding the circumstances that lead to pandemics is critical to their prevention. Here, we analyze the pattern and origin of genomic diversity of SARS-CoV-2 early in the COVID-19 pandemic. We show that the SARS-CoV-2 genomic diversity prior to February 2020 comprised only two distinct...zenodo.org
The Huanan market was the epicenter of SARS-CoV-2 emergence
Geographical clustering of the earliest known COVID-19 cases and the proximity of positive environmental samples to live-animal vendors suggest that the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the site of origin of the COVID-19 pandemic.
“It’s an extraordinarily clear picture that the pandemic started at the Huanan market,” said Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona.
“It’s very convincing,” said Dr. Thea Fischer, a public health researcher at the University of Copenhagen, who was not involved in the new studies. The question of whether the virus spilled over from animals “has now been settled with a very high degree of evidence, and thus confidence.”
But others pointed to some gaps that still remained. The new papers did not, for example, identify an animal at the market that spread the virus to humans.
The core info comes from a group of WHO researchers pinning down the location of the first 164 cases of COVID-19 in Wuhan over the course of December 2019. The highest density of December cases centered around the market — a relatively tiny spot in a city of 11 million people. Those cases included not just people who were initially linked to the market, but others who lived in the surrounding neighborhood.
The next 737 cases that followed emerged further and further from the market. The researchers ran tests that showed it was extremely unlikely that such a pattern could be produced merely by chance.
The study on collected tissues points to live animals. The researchers reconstructed the floor plan of the Huanan market based on the WHO report, the leaked Chinese CDC study and other sources. They then mapped the locations of positive environmental samples, finding that they clustered in the area where live animals were sold. Strikingly, five of the samples came from a single stall. That stall had been visited in 2014 by one of the co-authors of the new studies, Edward Holmes, a virus expert at the University of Sydney. On that trip, he had taken a photograph of a cage of raccoon dogs for sale at the time.
Below is the floor map of the market. The lower left area (red) is where live animals had been caged.
Kristian Andersen, a virus expert at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, and the senior co-author of one of the new studies, said it was important to figure out where the wild mammals for sale at Huanan came from, and to look for evidence of past outbreaks in those places. It’s possible, for example, that villagers at the sources of that wildlife still carry antibodies from exposures to coronaviruses.
“If I had to say what would be most helpful to do now, it would be those types of studies,” he said.
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If you cling to “accidental lab leak” theory then I guess you could argue that it was leaked specifically to lab people who really were avid shoppers in the market, 20 milkes away, and they spread it more to shopping buddies than to coworkers. I have no reason to believe that would make any sense, though.
If you cling to “intentional lab-created bioweapon” theory then I guess you could argue that it was designed to first take out people in the market. That makes even less sense.
www.nbcnews.com
There are way too many people that really need china’s lab to NOT be the source.whoopsie daisy OP
WHO makes U-turn, urging further investigation on 'lab leak' theory in new Covid report
New study is a U-turn for the agency, which was criticized for ruling out the theory last year and has faced accusations of being too deferential to Beijing.
The World Health Organization is recommending more investigation into the theory that Covid-19 leaked from a Chinese laboratory, something once dismissed by some as a conspiracy theory but since taken seriously by some experts and officials.
It's a U-turn by the WHO, which was last year heavily criticized for stating that it was "extremely unlikely" that the virus had leaked from a laboratory, and has faced accusations of being too credulous and deferential to China.
A lab leak was once seen as a fringe conspiracy theory, clouded by the mistaken belief that its supporters were suggesting that Covid had been intentionally released as a bioweapon. In fact, many of its exponents were postulating that the virus may have escaped from a lab, namely the Wuhan Institute of Virology, following an accident during virus tests. Thursday's report noted this was not only possible, but lab accidents in the past had triggered some outbreaks in the past.
More recently the Sino-WHO relationship has taken a hit, with Beijing censoring Tedros after he criticized its "zero-Covid" policy.
Jamie Metzl, who sits on a WHO advisory group unrelated to SAGO, told the AP that "the Chinese government is still refusing to share essential raw data and will not allow the necessary, full audit of the Wuhan labs."
