2017 IN class has 6 four and five star players, but only 1 is leaning towards IU
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I guess that fact will be reflected in the various opinions that state HS and AAU coaches will have. However, I have no reason to believe that the Indiana coaches will all share the same opinion or that they all feel the same level of intensity for the opinions they do have in common.
But if you wish to see this as a huge negative, I can understand why you would feel that way even though I probably won't agree with you.
Coaches national recruiting and offer a zillion schlorships has produced zero final fours in 8 years yep it is really working.................
It's 5 years. Get it right, the first 3 don't count.
Who is/was the coach who recruited/evaluated those immature and irresponsible players?
Who is/was the coach who Gets paid $3.5 mil to run the program and to hold players accountable? Crean had people tweeting to him in December 2013 that Hanner and Yogi were driving around drunk. Two months later, Hanner gets busted after blowing .15 - nearly TWICE the legal limit - and gets TWO games! TWO EFFING GAMES!!! Are you effing kidding me??
Then Yogi and Stan get arrested Little 500 weekend. Do you know why they got arrested? The official version is they had false ID's - which is true. The Excise officer was gonna let them off; all they had to do was leave and go back to campus. Yogi ARGUED with the cop that they should be allowed to stay if they didn't drink anything. You don't think Crean knew about that?
After Devin damn near died from being run over by Holt, we found out about Troy and Stan failing drug tests OVER THE SUMMER! Why did it take until November for them to come to light? I've been told by several people I know who said they were announced to ward off them being leaked and looking even worse to the press. That was Stan's 2nd offense in less than 4 months - just WHY was he still on the team? Maybe after watching what punishment Hanner got he didn't think he'd get in deep trouble? Maybe Devin and Hanner continue to toke because they know punishment will be light?
At what point does Crean NOT get held responsible? He get credit for the Vics and OGs, right? So WHY wouldn't he be responsible for the other players? Please try to spin that one . . .
I'm not stating this because I want to hate on Crean. I wish it were different.
But it isn't. It's the truth. Everything you're seeing now regarding in-state recruits I had been told since right after the National Championship game in April. Go back and read my comments from 2-2 1/2 months ago.
Not all HS coaches feel like this about Crean. But 70% or better do; the percentage around Indy is even higher.
We don't have to worry about recruiting shooters - we have Priller and Gelon . . .
Dude
Come on, the kids and their parents own that mess.
Dude, you think those kids broke bad when they hit Bloomington?
Come on, the kids and their parents own that mess.
Is the 70% number something with any degree of validity to it or is it your educated guess?
And for me, if the % is higher with Indy area coaches, I wouldn't be surprised. First of all let me disclose that I grew up in the Region and back in my day most of the people I knew felt that the Indy area HS coaches where to say this politely, "full of themselves." That was many seasons ago so maybe things have changed or maybe the perception was inaccurate to begin with.
That is my estimation, although it could be (admittedly) higher or lower.
Again, who gets the blame for the players being recruited there in the first place? And for maintaining a culture of accountability within the program? Isn't that the guy who makes $3.5 mil / yr?
Are some coaches full of themselves? Sure they are - but does that mean they aren't looking out for the best interests long-term for their players? Again, all these talented kids go to exotic locals like East Lansing, Ann Arbor, Lexington, Charlottesville . . . because they "want to get out of state"?
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if that is true (and I think there's a lot of truth to it), doesn't the guy in charge of recruiting them, the guy who gets paid $3.5 mil to run the program, bear a significant amount of responsibility?
Again, if we're gonna give Crean credit for Victor Oladipo and O.G. Anunoby, how does he get a pass on these guys?
The money is immaterial, think it is causing your bias. The coach, the kids, and the parents all play a role. I think this class was just too full of themselves and represented the absolute worst of the "entitled" athlete being produced. I think CTC felt obligated to recruit them because they were good and their is such a strong bias for INDIANA kids. Personally, glad the movement has passed.
0 for 5 is still 0 %It's 5 years. Get it right, the first 3 don't count.
But the coach who recruited them should know what he's bringing in, right? And he should address transgressions when they occur, right? And he should require kids to live by certain standards of conduct or move on, right? Crean failed on each of these counts and, worse, the players knew they wouldn't be held to high expectations. Blame parents if you must, but none of them are in charge of IU's basketball program.
If Crean was steered by some "obligation", then his leadership is weaker than many of us previously believed.
Did you read Bossi's national article posted today?
He spoke about M Williams. Only schools Bossi mentioned were UL, MSU, IU and Iowa... & MW claims it's not a 2 team race and sounded like some other heavy hitters could get involved. It would not shock me if all 4 sign in the spring. Not saying it gives IU a better chance, rather there is a lot to play out.
I read it but all is says was IU was watching and that its not down to two teams. IU isn't in this one..
Don't disagree but lots of time to play out. I'm not a Crean fan, but typically he stops scouting/recruiting when IU is not somewhat involved. So there's that.
I think we may have stumbled onto the cause of our "disconnect." If, as you say, some coaches are "looking out for the bests interests long-term for their players," then maybe the problem is that what is in the best long term interests of their players may not be in the best long-term interests of IU.
I agree. When your boss has to intervene, as was the case with Crean, it's not so good.
IMO - He changed in some areas last year for the better. I am willing to wait and see how he does this year.
It looks like it is down to eight and IU is still in this one.
http://indiana.247sports.com/Bolt/Williams-includes-Indiana-in-final-8-46422902
As I said before, that may be the feeling of some coaches.
Wrong . . . A lot of people respect him. You can see that here every day.
Not happening. IU needs to be going all in in Wilkes and Scruggs.
I have heard Coach Shannon, New Albany's Coach, say that he would love for Romeo to play at Indiana but it is Romeo's decision. I think that he has contact with elite talent.
Coach Shannon is a great guy. A guy I work with once played for him a long time ago.
Having said that, Romeo is not going to IU while Crean is coach. Believe what you want.
Why the childish name calling. It is alright to not care for the coach but it is embarrassing to see the childish name calling.
What's embarrassing is the snow job he's done on IU fans
I am not a fan of crean at all but I will say the last 3-4 years he has gotten IU back to being a respectable prgram. Can he take the program any higher? I remain doubtful on that but he has positioned IU back to being a very very desirable job for any future coach.
I would think that all IU fans have a vested interest in our coach's success.
Really? To me a LOT of my fellow posters matter to me and I can't see any type of "vented interest" they and I have other then being IU fans.
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