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Sec of Education - Holy Moly

Some info on this (I, too, am interested/invested in this stuff with a Jr. and a Fr. in high school):

40 Colleges With the Lowest Acceptance Rates​

Most of the schools on the list for lowest acceptance rates will come as no surprise.

Many Ivy League colleges have acceptance rates of less than 10%. Keep in mind that these schools also typically welcome a large number of applications each year, which affects this rate.

The California Institute of Technology and Harvard University lead for the most selective universities at a miniscule 3% acceptance rate.

  1. California Institute of Technology: 3%
  2. Harvard University: 3%
  3. Princeton University: 4%
  4. Stanford: 4%
  5. Brown University: 5%
  6. Massachusetts Institute of Technology: 5%
  7. University of Chicago: 5%
  8. Yale University: 5%
  9. Dartmouth College: 6%
  10. Northeastern University: 6%
University of Pennsylvania6%
Vanderbilt University6%
Duke University7%
Northwestern University7%
Cornell University8%
Johns Hopkins University8%
Rice University8%
New York University9%
University of California, Los Angeles9%
Tufts University10%
University of Southern California10%
Boston University11%
Carnegie Mellon University11%
Emory University11%
University of California, Berkeley12%
University of Notre Dame12%
Washington University in St. Louis12%
Georgetown University13%
Davidson College14%
Tulane University15%
Boston College16%
Georgia Institute of Technology16%
University of Virginia17%
Washington and Lee University17%
University of Michigan18%
University of Miami19%
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill19%
Florida A&M University21%
Wake Forest University22%
University of Florida24%

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Surprised by the national media hate rhetoric regarding Indiana's CFP status.

I thought Jackson was a duel threat QB...That said, Cignetti isn't sold on him for whatever reason.

I agree, pursue a big time DT kid that can come in and take over.
I don't think he has shown quick decision-making skills. If Jackson has time in the pocket, he can play pretty well and that showed vs Nebraska. Against Washington he struggled to get over 100yds, had a 49 QBR. I think we passed it just 19 times and ran it over 50 times. I'm not saying coaching for a year can't improve that and the experience certainly helps but there was a vast difference in play at the position with Jackson in there.
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Sec of Education - Holy Moly

Then how do you know they only have a 5% chance of getting into the school that they want to attend? There are around 10 universities in the country with an acceptance rate that low.

Sure, there are many schools that are extremely competitive, but I think you are being a little harsh with your good and great grades. Michigan is a fantastic school with a rabid alumni network and has an 18% acceptance rate. Cal is a great school with a 12% acceptance rate. Florida is a very good school with a 23% acceptance rate. And those are just some of the very good publics.

The difficult reality is that the attributes you identify in your kids aren't all that uncommon in today's college applicants. According to some studies, nearly 50% of them graduate high school with all A's. I do alumni interviews for admissions from a school with a low acceptance rate (that I would have no chance of getting into now) and every kid I meet is an A student with tons of extracurriculars, fantastic volunteer work, and a terrific demeanor. Most don't get accepted. That's not a problem with the system. That's a result of us as a society producing a generation of high achieving kids who we (as a society) sell the idea that they have to attend one of those sub 5% schools to have a great life.

There are TONS of great options for kids after high school that fit their interests and ambitions. I wouldn't sweat what college they are going to end up at too much. I'd spend more time helping them find their interests and ambitions. If they have those, they can build a fantastic life with their college choice being a small part of that. If they don't have those, no college choice is going to magically help them find those.

Sorry for the wild detour, but this is a topic I'm passionate about so I hope you'll forgive my rant.
What is out of state acceptance rate to UNC. What is it to UMichigan, etc.

The out of state rates are what matters. My state SUCKS for in state public school options. Pitt isn’t good. It’s not bad but isn’t good. Temple is in one of the most violent neighborhoods in the country. That leaves Penn State. Blah.
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Sec of Education - Holy Moly

The difficult reality is that the attributes you identify in your kids aren't all that uncommon in today's college applicants. According to some studies, nearly 50% of them graduate high school with all A's. I do alumni interviews for admissions from a school with a low acceptance rate (that I would have no chance of getting into now) and every kid I meet is an A student with tons of extracurriculars, fantastic volunteer work, and a terrific demeanor. Most don't get accepted. That's not a problem with the system. That's a result of us as a society producing a generation of high achieving kids who we (as a society) sell the idea that they have to attend one of those sub 5% schools to have a great life.
I agree that part of the problem is perception, but that's not going to change.

The other problem is nationwide grade inflation. As the article you linked states, while the % of kids getting all A's increases, the standardized test scores have dropped.

A few radical propositions for discussion (that I'm not even sure I favor):

(1) institute a nationwide grading curve for high school. In every class, only the top 20% can get an A, the next 20% a B.

(2) to stop advancing students at the bottom just to do so, set up a nationwide basic literacy and math skills test. Any high school that advances a kid to 12th grade who cannot pass said test at some basic, minimal threshold and who has given this kid As and Bs, gets fined or punished somehow.

I've noticed this with my kids for years, by the way. I have no real feedback on their strengths and weaknesses from teachers, just "oh he/she is getting an A. Not much to talk about." But, of course, I have no understanding of what that A means, and it clearly doesn't mean much if half the class is getting one.
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