mushroomgod_1 said:

That's not why he picked Biden. Biden was well known for getting it wrong on foreign policy matters. He picked Biden because he was a loud-mouthed middle age white guy. I'll give you that he was probably pretty effective with RINOs.

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I guess we'll agree to disagree.Obama's weakest area was foreign policy, which is why he delegated issues like Ukraine to Biden. Biden was also pretty centrist, which is why I chuckle when I hear people to the Right of Atila the Hun refer to Biden as "far left"...

Marvin the Martian said:

Of course there have to be exceptions even to that, see Amish.

In Michigan it appears to be they allow an affidavit which he signed. In those cases where one doesn't have an ID, they should be allowed a provisional ballot that isn't tabulated until they provide the proper documentation.

Chinese student to face criminal charges for voting in Michigan. Ballot will apparently count

The 19-year-old was legally present in the United States but not a citizen, which meant he couldn't legally cast a ballot, according to officials.

www.detroitnews.com

Provisional ballot here:

https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/sos/01vanderroest/Fed_ID_Req_Notice_New.pdf?rev=9cff27cf81464dc89e945756625bd900

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I was just going to link that. Thanks for being the stud.

Cortez88 said:

Trump and his mouthpieces are already talking about a rigged election if he loses. It will start election night when the race is close and ballots remain uncounted. They will continue doing it, and if they lose, we will have a replay of 2020. Rigged election theories, fake electors, pressuring state and federal officials to not certify.

This is where the Trump voters who are not DMB super fans lose me. They all know that all of the will happen and they just shrug their shoulders and say well it’s better than Harris. It’s just such a terrible thing that sane people will just accept.

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Yep. A few contentious months are better than 4 years of advancing policy I think is bad. Trumps actions & words will be divisive for a few months, but ultimately fruitless, while Harris’s words & policy will be divisive for 4 years but will have a lasting impact on our nation, imo.

dbmhoosier said:

So you're fine with illegal votes being counted? Got it.

And they don't have a copy of his ballot to see who he voted for and then take them back? For the love of God please tell me our system isn't this dysfunction. Zimbabwe probably has cleaner elections.

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Where have you been, there is NO WAY to backtrack votes. If they could do it for him, they could do it for you. That defeats the idea of a secret ballot, doesn't it.

By the way, if they could do it for him, and for you, hackers could almost certainly do it.

I have often worked elections, there is no way to track who voted how. That is by design. And that is a DAMN GOOD thing.

JMU still butt hurt. Their new coach is a runaway leader. Mike Norvell is 4th, nuff said.

Marvin the Martian said:

Once a vote is counted, it is counted. We don't want a system in this country where one can track back votes. Do you really want the government to be able to reverse engineer how you voted? So with no way of knowing his vote, how could it be removed?

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No one from the secretary of state said that the vote will be counted or not counted. There is no one quote. Rather, it is the author who states: "because there is no way for election officials to retrieve it once it's been put through a tabulator, according to two sources familiar with Michigan election laws. The setup is meant to prevent ballots from being tracked back to an individual voter."

crazed_hoosier2 said:

This is the reason I strongly support Voter ID. There isn’t much that can be done after the fact. We have to have the safeguards in place ahead of time. And requiring a state-issued Photo ID is a perfectly reasonable safeguard.

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Of course there have to be exceptions even to that, see Amish.

In Michigan it appears to be they allow an affidavit which he signed. In those cases where one doesn't have an ID, they should be allowed a provisional ballot that isn't tabulated until they provide the proper documentation.


Provisional ballot here:

mushroomgod_1 said:

I'm sure I'll regret asking.......but why is Vance incompetent?

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I don't think he has any experience legislative or administrative relative to being an ecoli laced Big Mac away from being POTUS...He's like a modern version of a stepford candidate whose claim to fame is writing a single book...

He'a first term junior Senator and has less governmental experience than any POTUS or VP candidate from either party this century. He was only elected 2 yrs ago, and it's not like he came to his role as Senator with any relevant experience...He basically bought a seat with Peter Thiel's money.

Consequently he's the least experienced/qualified candidate since Palin, and she at least had the administrative experience of being the Governor of a state. Even Quayle was not a total novice as he had been in the House since 1976, prior to being elected Senator and then nominated as VP...

Btw Thiel like Musk is South African, so where we have never had any South African influence in a POTUS election before, we now have two examples of rich South Africans acting in their own interest. Both Thiel and Musk would profit immensely under Trump's proposed policies...

crazed_hoosier2 said:

Yeah, I don’t think there’s actually any cause to make that assumption. It’s just an expectation because it’s happened before (twice). Trump did 6% better in Wisconsin than his polling average in both 2016 and 2020. Ergo, the slight polling average he has now will translate into a relatively comfortable victory for him there.

IMO, it’s just as likely that whatever polling error there ends up being will favor Harris.

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There is also the problem according to some pollsters the tight races by election day could fall within the margin of error.

CO. Hoosier said:

As a government lawyer, I’ve faced that argument on occasion and won it every time.

The decision to begin an administrative or judicial proceeding by a government body is an unreviewable act. Review violates separation of powers. Of course a court has the authority to review the final result, or maybe enjoin the process if the process is inadequate for due process or violates some other immunity or privilege .

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Are you suggesting that a federal court cannot rule on the constitutionality of an executive order issued by a governor?

Marvin the Martian said:

Once a vote is counted, it is counted. We don't want a system in this country where one can track back votes. Do you really want the government to be able to reverse engineer how you voted? So with no way of knowing his vote, how could it be removed?

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So you're fine with illegal votes being counted? Got it.

And they don't have a copy of his ballot to see who he voted for and then take them back? For the love of God please tell me our system isn't this dysfunction. Zimbabwe probably has cleaner elections.

There's less chance of this happening, because he's obviously a very good basketball coach. But now that he's experienced ultimate success, I would worry how he'll handle having a group of players that don't respond well to his style and approach?? I could see him doing something that gets him "cancelled". It can happen very quickly in today's world. He's got a little bit of a leash right now, but an injury or two, a few recruits not being able to handle his manic style...struggles on the court as a result... those moments of him pushing players mid game, saying some of the things he says...well we know first hand how all that can wear people out. And our experience with it was over 20 years ago!! Today, you're literally one slip up away from being on the outside looking in.

For maybe that reason, or others like NBA jobs, I doubt he's the coach at UConn 5 years from now.

Marvin the Martian said:

Once a vote is counted, it is counted. We don't want a system in this country where one can track back votes. Do you really want the government to be able to reverse engineer how you voted? So with no way of knowing his vote, how could it be removed?

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This is the reason I strongly support Voter ID. There isn’t much that can be done after the fact. We have to have the safeguards in place ahead of time. And requiring a state-issued Photo ID is a perfectly reasonable safeguard.

dbmhoosier said:

No believes that they will determine if the person is properly eligible or not. Also apparently once the vote is counted it can't be taken back. Unreal.

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Once a vote is counted, it is counted. We don't want a system in this country where one can track back votes. Do you really want the government to be able to reverse engineer how you voted? So with no way of knowing his vote, how could it be removed?

IUNorth said:

that was kinda my main intended point...it feels like everyone is assuming Trump will win because of past errors in his favor with the polls leading up to the elections.

I'm not so sure this year it'll go that way, because its just a strange and different dynamic this time around.

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Yeah, I don’t think there’s actually any cause to make that assumption. It’s just an expectation because it’s happened before (twice). Trump did 6% better in Wisconsin than his polling average in both 2016 and 2020. Ergo, the slight polling average he has now will translate into a relatively comfortable victory for him there.

IMO, it’s just as likely that whatever polling error there ends up being will favor Harris.

AP is just fun, billboard stuff.

When the playoff polls come out at the beginning of November is what people should be paying attention to.

Imsowyctcwuzbetta said:

Exactly... Why is he here?

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because he's little brother and that's what little brothers do.
Even when they get straight As on their report card, they aren't happy until big bro gives them the old "atta boy!".

Courtsensetwo said:

Too invested in Culture Wars.

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On the sane side of the culture war battles. The other side would have eventually surrendered.

This machete wielding 18 year old punk wasn’t shy about who he supports:


I hope he gets maximum punishment. Some might think he’s a patriot like the J6 criminals.

stollcpa said:

I keep thinking Walz is going to skip out on stage in a Tinker Bell outfit doing his goofy wave.

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Walz is just plain weird.......ironic, isn't it?

crazed_hoosier2 said:

Actually, the polls were worse in 2020 than they were in 2016. But most people would be surprised to hear that, because the outcome was what everybody expected.

But the polls right now are so tight that even slight error either way could affect the outcome. And there will be some error.

A lot of people assume that whatever error there is will favor Trump. It did in 2016 and 2020, after all. But I think it’s folly to look at that and assume that he’ll necessarily get the benefit of the error again.

I genuinely believe that either candidate could win this race. And also that nobody should have much confidence that their candidate will prevail…especially if there’s any assumption factored in that the error will favor Trump again.

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that was kinda my main intended point...it feels like everyone is assuming Trump will win because of past errors in his favor with the polls leading up to the elections.

I'm not so sure this year it'll go that way, because its just a strange and different dynamic this time around.

he's like RMK on too many red bulls...

SRIV94 said:

Reason BTN doesn’t have it is that NBC jumped them and took it. They really wanted it for their night game, but MSU balked at playing at night since they’ve had three or four night games already.

And NBC couldn’t do it at 3:30 because of the Breeder’s Cup. So Peacock was the compromise.

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I thought FOX bought the rights to all BIG10 games years ago. I guess not.

cosmickid said:

" I don’t think anyone would describe either of his VP’s as unintelligent or incompetent."

Not only would I describe Vance that way,but the Donold as well. And I'd have no trouble saying it to Trump's face...

I'd tell him he reminds me of a 3rd grader, but then that would be insulting to some 3rd graders...

Actually I think BO picked Biden because Biden had a much more extensive Foreign Policy background and a reputation for being able to work across the aisle...

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That's not why he picked Biden. Biden was well known for getting it wrong on foreign policy matters. He picked Biden because he was a loud-mouthed middle age white guy. I'll give you that he was probably pretty effective with RINOs.