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Trump is the only president in my lifetime that people would refuse to go vote for the R candidate of their party simply because he(Trump) didn't get nominated. I'm sure there are a lot on the D side that would like to see Biden nominated again (don't understand that one either) but I'll bet very, very few would stay home if he's not nominated again whereas I think a lot of Trump supporters will stay home if he's not the nominee in 2024.

You said 'I agree with most of that, but 30% is a huge number and a Republican nominee won't win without it. That's all I'm saying."

I agree with that and all I'm saying is if those 30% stay home and not vote for the R nominee (assuming it's not Trump) then they are essentially electing the D nominee.
They are and it's no different from Republicans voting for Biden.
 
They are and it's no different from Republicans voting for Biden.
Are you hard core R or will you vote for a Democrat sometimes? I vote R most of the time but once in a while I will vote for a Democrat. I hope IN makes local politicians (school board, etc) declare their party when they run because those people are the ones you know the least about.
 
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Are you hard core R or will you vote for a Democrat sometimes? I vote R most of the time but once in a while I will vote for a Democrat. I hope IN makes local politicians (school board, etc) declare their party when they run because those people are the ones you know the least about.
I voted for a Socialist/Communist in 1980 - Barry Commoner. Carter was a disaster and I bought the media hype about Reagan. It didn't take me long to see the error of my ways.

I will - and have - voted for Dems for local elections sometimes, if I think they're the better candidate. But for President, I've vote R except for the one time since I was able to vote in 1972 - and yes, I voted for Nixon. I held my nose after his disastrous wage-price controls screwed up the economy. We thought we had inflation then! lol
 
I voted for a Socialist/Communist in 1980 - Barry Commoner. Carter was a disaster and I bought the media hype about Reagan. It didn't take me long to see the error of my ways.

I will - and have - voted for Dems for local elections sometimes, if I think they're the better candidate. But for President, I've vote R except for the one time since I was able to vote in 1972 - and yes, I voted for Nixon. I held my nose after his disastrous wage-price controls screwed up the economy. We thought we had inflation then! lol
What did you think of Tucker's segment of Watergate? Lots of truth here.

 
So, are you saying the opposite isn't true as well around here?
Really? Serious question.
I don’t care how anyone thinks if they respect my opinion without shouting insults at me. I didn’t start the insults on here. Rockfish and others initiated me into the insult game. I don’t turn the other cheek. In fact I’ll out asshole the other asshole.

I’d guess if an analysis was done on your posts a large percentage, you make no effort to engage is serious discussion.
 
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What did you think of Tucker's segment of Watergate? Lots of truth here.

I think Tucker has convinced himself the CIA assassinated Kennedy and uses any connection to the CIA as conspiracy theories.

The Watergate plumbers were not CIA - they were former FBI and CIA agents, yes. Key word 'former'. And Nixon is caught on tape on the cover-up. So, I don't give a lot of credence to Tucker's theory.

However, I do believe Nixon was engaging in what was common in politics - and still is - in doing intelligence gathering. i'm sure he thought his group of ex-spooks would have no problem entering a building at night without getting caught. So, in his mind, he was justified because 'everyone was doing it'.

Nixon's problem was he was so paranoid and insecure. There was no chance of him losing the 1972 election, but he just couldn't help himself. There were a lot of theories about the KGB and CIA and mafia getting Kennedy and he bought into the CIA theory, evidently.

My question is, why would the CIA want to take Kennedy out? He had stood up to the Soviets and Kennedy himself was a war hero. Seems to me the most logical groups with the most to lose was the KGB and mafia. I think it's possible they worked together, especially after Ruby killed Oswald. To me, that screams at least mafia conspiracy. But everyone was so freaked out in trying to convince the Soviets that we didn't think it was them because we were scared they'd nuke us. The Warren Commission was a joke, but I don't believe for a minute Gerald Ford was part of some grand conspiracy. If anyone remembers his Presidency, he was known more for hitting people on the golf course. I think it was LBJ who said Ford played too long without a helmet. Gerald Ford was a genuinely good person, imo, but not capable of pulling off a coup like Tucker describes.
 
I don’t care how anyone thinks if they respect my opinion without shouting insults at me. I didn’t start the insults on here. Rockfish and others initiated me into the insult game. I don’t turn the other cheek. In fact I’ll out asshole the other asshole.

I’d guess if an analysis was done on your posts a large percentage, you make no effort to engage is serious discussion.
Well, you made it all about you, which was not my point. You said something like, think like libs, or your thinking is bad. My point was that there is an equal amount of “Think like conservatives, or your thinking is bad.” That is a fact.

Am I a serious poster? Probably not, but here’s the thing…there are only about 1 or 2 serious posters here. This whole thing I see about insulting other posters as “not serious” is so stupid. At least I’m pretty up front about it, but I’m no less serious than you, DANC, COH, or others who try to hide their hackery with unserious, insincere bullshit.
To me, Brad, IUCrazy, and Marvin seem serious. I’m sure there are others I am forgetting.
The real problem around here are the posters who take themselves too seriously.
 
Well, you made it all about you, which was not my point. You said something like, think like libs, or your thinking is bad. My point was that there is an equal amount of “Think like conservatives, or your thinking is bad.” That is a fact.

Am I a serious poster? Probably not, but here’s the thing…there are only about 1 or 2 serious posters here. This whole thing I see about insulting other posters as “not serious” is so stupid. At least I’m pretty up front about it, but I’m no less serious than you, DANC, COH, or others who try to hide their hackery with unserious, insincere bullshit.
To me, Brad, IUCrazy, and Marvin seem serious. I’m sure there are others I am forgetting.
The real problem around here are the posters who take themselves too seriously?

Can Brad be taken seriously when he wears a flatbill with Lulu pants?

I think we all know the answer to that question.
 
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Well, you made it all about you, which was not my point. You said something like, think like libs, or your thinking is bad. My point was that there is an equal amount of “Think like conservatives, or your thinking is bad.” That is a fact.

Am I a serious poster? Probably not, but here’s the thing…there are only about 1 or 2 serious posters here. This whole thing I see about insulting other posters as “not serious” is so stupid. At least I’m pretty up front about it, but I’m no less serious than you, DANC, COH, or others who try to hide their hackery with unserious, insincere bullshit.
To me, Brad, IUCrazy, and Marvin seem serious. I’m sure there are others I am forgetting.
The real problem around here are the posters who take themselves too seriously.
"To me, Brad, IUCrazy, and Marvin seem serious. I’m sure there are others I am forgetting."



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Well, you made it all about you, which was not my point. You said something like, think like libs, or your thinking is bad. My point was that there is an equal amount of “Think like conservatives, or your thinking is bad.” That is a fact.

Am I a serious poster? Probably not, but here’s the thing…there are only about 1 or 2 serious posters here. This whole thing I see about insulting other posters as “not serious” is so stupid. At least I’m pretty up front about it, but I’m no less serious than you, DANC, COH, or others who try to hide their hackery with unserious, insincere bullshit.
To me, Brad, IUCrazy, and Marvin seem serious. I’m sure there are others I am forgetting.
The real problem around here are the posters who take themselves too seriously.
I am a serious man.
 
I think Tucker has convinced himself the CIA assassinated Kennedy and uses any connection to the CIA as conspiracy theories.

The Watergate plumbers were not CIA - they were former FBI and CIA agents, yes. Key word 'former'. And Nixon is caught on tape on the cover-up. So, I don't give a lot of credence to Tucker's theory.

However, I do believe Nixon was engaging in what was common in politics - and still is - in doing intelligence gathering. i'm sure he thought his group of ex-spooks would have no problem entering a building at night without getting caught. So, in his mind, he was justified because 'everyone was doing it'.

Nixon's problem was he was so paranoid and insecure. There was no chance of him losing the 1972 election, but he just couldn't help himself. There were a lot of theories about the KGB and CIA and mafia getting Kennedy and he bought into the CIA theory, evidently.

My question is, why would the CIA want to take Kennedy out? He had stood up to the Soviets and Kennedy himself was a war hero. Seems to me the most logical groups with the most to lose was the KGB and mafia. I think it's possible they worked together, especially after Ruby killed Oswald. To me, that screams at least mafia conspiracy. But everyone was so freaked out in trying to convince the Soviets that we didn't think it was them because we were scared they'd nuke us. The Warren Commission was a joke, but I don't believe for a minute Gerald Ford was part of some grand conspiracy. If anyone remembers his Presidency, he was known more for hitting people on the golf course. I think it was LBJ who said Ford played too long without a helmet. Gerald Ford was a genuinely good person, imo, but not capable of pulling off a coup like Tucker describes.
But Nixon didn't know about the break in beforehand. And as you said he couldn't possibly lose. It made no sense.
 
I think Tucker has convinced himself the CIA assassinated Kennedy and uses any connection to the CIA as conspiracy theories.

The Watergate plumbers were not CIA - they were former FBI and CIA agents, yes. Key word 'former'. And Nixon is caught on tape on the cover-up. So, I don't give a lot of credence to Tucker's theory.

However, I do believe Nixon was engaging in what was common in politics - and still is - in doing intelligence gathering. i'm sure he thought his group of ex-spooks would have no problem entering a building at night without getting caught. So, in his mind, he was justified because 'everyone was doing it'.

Nixon's problem was he was so paranoid and insecure. There was no chance of him losing the 1972 election, but he just couldn't help himself. There were a lot of theories about the KGB and CIA and mafia getting Kennedy and he bought into the CIA theory, evidently.

My question is, why would the CIA want to take Kennedy out? He had stood up to the Soviets and Kennedy himself was a war hero. Seems to me the most logical groups with the most to lose was the KGB and mafia. I think it's possible they worked together, especially after Ruby killed Oswald. To me, that screams at least mafia conspiracy. But everyone was so freaked out in trying to convince the Soviets that we didn't think it was them because we were scared they'd nuke us. The Warren Commission was a joke, but I don't believe for a minute Gerald Ford was part of some grand conspiracy. If anyone remembers his Presidency, he was known more for hitting people on the golf course. I think it was LBJ who said Ford played too long without a helmet. Gerald Ford was a genuinely good person, imo, but not capable of pulling off a coup like Tucker describes.
"I will splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds.”

— John F. Kennedy
 
I kind of meant it as a compliment.
(And, tbh, I didn’t think you ever paid my posts any attention…due to my utter lack of seriousness.)
I wish you would be serious more of the time because, even though I might disagree with you, you have made some good points that has made me pause and think about something that I had never considered.
 
But Nixon didn't know about the break in beforehand. And as you said he couldn't possibly lose. It made no sense.
Yeah, that's why I said he was in on the cover-up. He may not have known about the break-in beforehand, but he knew they were trying to gather opposition intel.
 
I wish you would be serious more of the time because, even though I might disagree with you, you have made some good points that has made me pause and think about something that I had never considered.
Sorry...you're just going to have to be satisfied with the gold-panning that is necessary to find those rare nuggets of earnestness amongst the dreck in my posts.
That's what makes them so valuable.
 
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Are you hard core R or will you vote for a Democrat sometimes? I vote R most of the time but once in a while I will vote for a Democrat. I hope IN makes local politicians (school board, etc) declare their party when they run because those people are the ones you know the least about.
Not speaking for Danc (but I feel we are much aligned). but I will always vote for the person, their policies and the greater direction of the country/ state/ county/ town.....
There is absolutely nothing that I see, hear or trust, from anyone that "claims" to be a Dem, that I would vote for, other than a 6x6x6 hole.
Trump had many very good policies, despite having a bad and extremely amplified persona, which persona doesn't change facts and approved policies.
Some boat drivers here, claim that trump lied because he didn't "build the wall". Well, he built 458 miles of it, in 3 yrs. and there is 300 more mile of supplies laying on the ground, waiting, since AlhoaBiden defaulted on all building contracts.
Yes, I would vote tRump again. But not because he's on the R ticket. It's because of the inexcusable resistance that the swamp organized against him. MUCH MUCH MUCH of what Trump proposed, were things that the Dem Swamp had voted POSITIVE for, for decades. IT WAS THEIR IDEAS. and they stomped on him, because he was going to make their campaign promises, truths.
hell yes I would vote for him again.
 
Well that was 23 minutes of my life I'll never get back again.

There was no quote about the CIA. The first video had a discussion of it, but no quote.

The 2nd video was about, and to, the Press - not the CIA.

So..... ????
He probably never said it.

 
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Not speaking for Danc (but I feel we are much aligned). but I will always vote for the person, their policies and the greater direction of the country/ state/ county/ town.....
There is absolutely nothing that I see, hear or trust, from anyone that "claims" to be a Dem, that I would vote for, other than a 6x6x6 hole.
Trump had many very good policies, despite having a bad and extremely amplified persona, which persona doesn't change facts and approved policies.
Some boat drivers here, claim that trump lied because he didn't "build the wall". Well, he built 458 miles of it, in 3 yrs. and there is 300 more mile of supplies laying on the ground, waiting, since AlhoaBiden defaulted on all building contracts.
Yes, I would vote tRump again. But not because he's on the R ticket. It's because of the inexcusable resistance that the swamp organized against him. MUCH MUCH MUCH of what Trump proposed, were things that the Dem Swamp had voted POSITIVE for, for decades. IT WAS THEIR IDEAS. and they stomped on him, because he was going to make their campaign promises, truths.
hell yes I would vote for him again.
The question is will you stay home and not vote for a R if Trump is not the nominee?
 
Nope, that isn't my crowd. I'll be there to vote no matter what. Hell, I may not even vote for Trump depending on who is in the field.
To me that is the way it should be. If you think Trump is the best candidate, then vote for him but if he doesn't get the nomination then go vote for the candidate that whose policies best represents your beliefs even though Trump's policies might represent them better. There have been lots of times where the candidate I liked didn't get the nomination. I know a lot of people didn't like Lugar but I would have loved for him to have gotten the nomination.
 
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